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David "JC" Penny's avatar

Deep State defined: "...those who are refusing to support any type of political activities on the part of the Trump administration." That's the quiet part out loud but the part that is still not admitted that you allude to: those who happily supported any type of political activities on the part of the Biden administration

Pnoldguy's avatar

Don't you mean the Obiden Autopen administration?

Jeff the Original's avatar

It's so weird. Obama was a complete no-show during the Biden administration. Show me one scrap of evidence that Obama was secretly or openly providing strategic direction to Biden.

Further...why are we still talking about Joe Biden?

UncleBob9's avatar

Biden (and/or his body doubles) undermined tbe United States, with your apparent hero, the pot-stirring Choom King pulling the strings, with the WEF crowd pulling his strings. That's why.

Jeff the Original's avatar

I'm an independent that thought Biden did a decent job. I didn't agree with him pulling out of Afghanistan or his pulling the plug on the keystone pipeline.

I do remember that he had a pandemic and 1/6 to deal with upon entering office.

Silent scorn's avatar

…is a deep state player who needs to be investigated and held responsible for her part in Russia gate.

Jeff the Original's avatar

What about her? Is this about the tarmac meeting? Do you have a transcript of what they discussed? Do you have any evidence that he influenced her?

Personally...I thought it was completely disgusting and inappropriate that he did that, but the fact is that we don't know what was talked about or whether it influenced Susan Rice in any way.

If that's what you were alluding to.

IAN2364's avatar

Do you know the answer to this question: == WHY IS THERE A TAMPON DISPENSER IN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL BOYS LOCKER ROOM? == https://www.kunstler.com/p/the-red-line/comment/237858402

Jeff the Original's avatar

Ok...you're done. If that's what triggers you...then it's your problem not ours.

Hustled Enough's avatar

Hi Jeff the Original,

One reason is the same one that Republicans who have been in control for a year and a half have for blaming the state of the country on Joe Biden--do you really want to say that this shit-show is due to your own side's actions and inability to tell the President... "No"? It is easier arguing that this ACCELERATING inflation is due to Biden rather than tariffs, uncertainty around policy, or the War with Iran. Some folks will believe this story. And that is a comfort.

HE

Jeff the Original's avatar

100% agree. Thanks for the thumbs up...even if it's only a couple on this newsletter, it does feel good. I don't do post on sites like these for likes...but nevertheless it's nice to know other people see the exact same things and are here on the site working in support of the truth as well.

What I find most frustrating is that most of the people on this site cannot admit as well that if any Dem said or did most of the outrageous stuff he does...that they would have a completely opposite view of it.

Kathy Christian's avatar

Do you think Biden put out all that legislation on his own?

Jeff the Original's avatar

I would hope not. A good leader, surrounds himself with experts that know more about the subjects than them, and also people who know how to get legislation done. Not an easy task.

Where's Trump's legislation? All he seems to be doing is threatening countries, starting wars and getting the DOJ to open investigations against his political enemies.

Jeff Keener's avatar

If it was secret, how would we know?

Carl L. McWilliams's avatar

Do you remember that time in 2016 when Attorney General Loretta Lynch decided she would take a private meeting with Bill Clinton on her plane as it was parked on the tarmac in Phoenix – while Bill’s wife, Hillary Clinton (when she was Obama’s Secretary of State), was under federal investigation for using a secret and unlawful private email server at her New York home, to receive top secret and classified government emails?

Now don’t forget that presidential candidate Hillary Clinton deleted 33,000 messages and destroyed cell phones and servers to cover up her illegal private email message history. And while Federal Bureau of Investigation Director James Comey said she and her team were “extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information”—but Comey “exonerated” Hillary Clinton by declining to press charges against her, because Comey did not believe she “intended to violate laws and no prosecutor would bring charges.”

Then of course, there’s the much bigger case of the Clinton Campaign funded Steele dossier, where Obama orchestrated the intelligence agencies on behalf of Hillary and worked with Comey to corrupt the DOJ/FBI and the FISA Court. While Special Counsel Robert Mueller was appointed by Acting Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, to concoct and then investigate false accusations of Russian collusion, to try to oust a duly-elected 45th sitting president; after Hillary lost to Trump in 2016.

With the 2016 Loretta Lynch/Bill Clinton tarmac meeting in mind: It is my humble opinion that our Constitutional Republic permanently fell during the 2016 presidential election; on July 5 when FBI Director James Comey “exonerated” Hillary Clinton for the illegal server and the thousands of her top-secret classified emails. At that point in American history, the “rule of law” in the USA began its demise and because the constitutional provisions for remedy to the ensuing felonious acts and omissions (think FISA Court-RussiaGate and “Crossfire Hurricane”) of James Comey, Peter Strock, Lisa Page (et al) were never pursued while Bill Barr was Attorney General; our Constitutional Republic has fallen and is irreparable…... And the 2022 FBI “midnight judge” raid on Mar-a-Lago along with the four unconstitutional indictments of Donald J. Trump, the Bragg show trial in New York, and the Deep State’s/PTB’s attempt to kill DJT is my proof - We the People now live in a banana republic.

Wake up everyone, the United States is under siege by Marxists and therefore our homeland has devolved into a life or death struggle of facts vs fraud. Why would any sane person believe anything coming from any government, MSM, institution or institutional figure, when they have been shown time and again to be malevolent frauds?

Jeff the Original's avatar

Deep state defined by me is the term given by MAGAs to explain anything governmental that doesn’t go the way you think it should…regardless of any related facts, norms or extenuating circumstances.

James Howard Kunstler's avatar

That's a pretty lame-ass definition.

Simbro Fatarzo's avatar

It's pretty dead on, son

You're over here screeching like a maniac demanding an American citizen be thrown in prison for expressing his belief that trump is a disaster and should be removed from office.

And you're saying there's a deep state conspiracy?

Sit down boy. Your hatred of America, her constitution, and her peoples' freedom, is disgusting to me.

Jeff the Original's avatar

An apt response to yours. The Deep State and the GOVERNMENT are comprised of people just like you and me...except they work in government paid position. Yes...toward the top there are those politically motivated and this occurs on both sides of the political fence.

Rather than speak generally, feel free to bring up a specific action that you deem was a "Deep State" move only fueled by a desire to thwart Trump and let's see how it goes.

Doohmax's avatar

Operation Crossfire Hurricane was built on the premise of Russia Collusion originated by the Hillary Clinton campaign. All accusations were bogus. Comey ran with it.

Former Obama CIA chief, John Brennan, just this week said there are “legions” of intelligence and justice officials working to obstruct and cancel anything Trump proposes. No CIA official has ever publicly voiced this type of threat before.

Danimal28's avatar

Sorry, the days of the "rank and file" being removed from the chicanery are long gone. And I am a lifetime government employee(US Army NCO and Firefighter(vol).

Dennis Habern's avatar

Hey moron, did you ever graduate from an effn American high school?

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Doohmax's avatar

I would define the Deep State as the coordinated attempt by the DOJ/FBI/CIA to remove an elected President. This conspiracy involved government intelligence agencies acting above, around and below the legal system without any oversight from any other branch of government.

As Comey explained to Congress in 2020, he didn't follow legal precedent and inform Congress that he was investigating a Presidential candidate because it was a "sensitive" matter.

Additionally, what would you call an agency, namely the National Security Division of the DOJ, that states as policy that it is not subject to oversight by the Inspector General as outlined by Sally Yates in July 2015:

Jeff the Original's avatar

BTW...in 2016...I was a GOP guy ready to vote for any GOP candidate but Trump.

This guy Comey is also the same one who reopened an investigation regarding Hillary weeks before the election. Now that's strange behavior for someone rooting for Trump to lose.

You do realize that the DOJ/FBI/CIA have traditionally been predominantly filled with a politically conservative workforce?

I'm going to flip this around on you. If you were the Director of the FBI and you had a candidate who had a background of visiting Russia, hired a pro-Putin campaign manager (for free), a NSA who was secretly contacting the Russians and denying it...etc, etc, etc... wouldn't you want to launch a covert investigation to see how nefarious this all was? Would it NOT be a breach of their duties to protect our county NOT to do it?

I'm guessing if Hillary said "Russia...if you're listening...please find all the dirt on Donald Trump you can and send it to me" that you wouldn't probably find the response of "She was only joking" to be adequate would you?

Doohmax's avatar

If Trump was secretly colluding with Russia through back door channels, why would he need to ask for Russian help at a campaign event in front of thousands of people and the national media?

As incoming NSA, Flynn had every right to have discussions with the Russian Foreign Minister. The agents who interviewed him said in their notes on the meeting that in their opinion Flynn didn’t lie.

Terry Cook's avatar

"I was a GOP guy ready to vote for any GOP candidate but Trump." Finally, the truth comes out--another ex-RINO "Never-Trumper". It doesn't matter what he does--just that he exists. TDS is real...

Mitch's avatar

Comey's definitely not going to want to discuss some "sensitive matters" that happen to him in prison.

David "JC" Penny's avatar

It has nothing to do with MAGA except that "MAGA" is the excuse. Members of the executive branch that chose whether or not to perform their duty irrespective of the political leanings of their superiors is wrong. The fact that you don't get it is more of an indication of your tawdry concept of governance than its facial depiction of your ignorance.

Jeff the Original's avatar

That was a pretty broad indictment of my post. Sorry...I use the term MAGA because it sort of captures those that support Trump no matter what and criticize the Dems no matter what.

I was GOP for 30 years until you guys went all in with Trump. I left the party in 2017 and became independent. I've never regretted that move and since then...the actions of Trump, the GOP and MAGA have only reinforced this as the correct decision.

I'll discuss any topic with specifics. I know the details of these claims...so please go for it. Let's see who is the ignorant one...or will you just call me a name and run away like 99% of you do?

David "JC" Penny's avatar

1. First you say I made a broad indictment then you defend your broad indictment. OK.

2. I was independent for 30 years until I moved to a state that has closed primaries. I'm not sure why "you guys" are always assuming I'm all in for Trump. I didn't cast a vote the first time Trump ran because I feared he was too liberal. I'm still not too impressed with many of his policies but the alternative has proven him worthy of my support.

3. FWIW I did not 'call you a name'. I simply suggested your comment indicated that your lack of understanding of hierarchical, republican governments overshadowed what appears, on the surface, to be terminal TDS. But since you proclaim 2017 as your year of self awareness I may have given you too much credit.

Dennis Habern's avatar

The words Deep State, is synonymous with the word Communist.

Kathy Christian's avatar

You should read Shadowland.

Jeff the Original's avatar

Isn't that fiction? Written to sell books?

Carolyn's avatar

Where did he come from? Mars?

Hawaiian Pizza's avatar

It's really funny how MAGA simply take it for granted there's no such thing as legitimate disagreement with their agenda. And you wonder why people call you fascists.

James Howard Kunstler's avatar

Disagreement is one thing; sedition is quite another.

Hawaiian Pizza's avatar

I remember a post of yours from a bit ago where you wrote meaningly that you expected good things to come out of a judicial process, because rules of evidence would come into play. Indeed they do in a court of law, which are capable of dispelling vast quantities of political fog. Just think how the Trump campaign went to court 62 times to contest the outcome of the 2020 election and lost 61 times.

https://www.justsecurity.org/95313/trump-trials-court-jury/

The solitary win was a narrow technical result in Pennsylvania that did not affect the outcome. That's an unimpressive .016 batting average. But you continue to swallow and promote the debunked loser's narrative, spewing the fog back out to the credulous and the blind.

Kathy Christian's avatar

I don't understand how you can think Biden legitimately won by 81 million votes. And how those winning vote margins were all in even numbers for each state. It must have been magic!

Beth Nicolaides's avatar

Northrop, old bean, did you run out of Midol?

complex Craftsman's avatar

Your'e observation might carry some weight were it not for SCOTUS dismissing the Texas v Pennsylvania case as having " no standing " when it should be clear to any one capable of a modicum of objective thought that when a state breaks its own constitutional laws on several levels in a federal election that an outcome aided by the disregard of its own laws does indeed effect the well being of other states . And boy did that turn out to be the case for Texas , being the state with the largest southern land border in the union it definitely took the brunt of the democrats 5th gen warfare invasion forces as a result of that outcome . " No standing " means" we're not even going to look at the merits of the case " . Dude the fix was in ,just ask Molly Ball of the New Yawk Slimes, who wrote :The Secret History Of "The Shadow Campaign That Saved The 2020 Election " or is that also something I/ we just delusionally cooked up in our inferior to libtard ,intellects as well .

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Jeff the Original's avatar

I agree with that statement...I disagree with your application of it in this situation.

Instead of generalities...how about some specifics? Again...give me one action of the "Deep State" you consider to be sedition.

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Doohmax's avatar

Legitimately explain your disagreement with closing the borders to any and all illegal entry. And why you're at it, explain legitimately why taxpayers should fund the NGOs and their exorbitant salaried employees that spent hundreds of millions of dollars to encourage and facilitate a de facto invasion of the US during the Biden Administration. You don't have any idea what fascist is do you?

John Schrauth's avatar

The SPLC people told him it's anyone who disagrees with whatever their grift of the day happens to be.

Hawaiian Pizza's avatar

First of all, make sure you know what my position is before you criticize it. What makes you think I'm against the USA closing its borders if it wants to? That's not what I would do, which means I disagree with the policy, but they're your borders so whatever. On the other hand, if people within the USA who don't want its borders closed happen to win an election and enact their policy instead of yours, that's legitimate also. Elections have consequences.

Which is the point, of course. Elections have consequences, and to fascists that means they can't be allowed. Kunstler has literally declared in clear English that democracy in the USA needs to end, and as far as I can tell most people here either vehemently agree or have no objection. Hence, my observation: in the MAGA mind, there's no such thing as legitimate disagreement, only force. That's fascism, and your agenda doesn't justify the unjustifiable; it's the motive for the crime.

Doohmax's avatar

Next of all make sure you know my position before you call me a fascist. I disagree with the idea that a sovereign nation can't close its borders to unlimited illegal invasion. I disagree with your position so you call me a fascist. You state that fascists, meaning Trump supporters, don't want to allow elections. Let's see your documented proof where anyone says we shouldn't have elections.

Elections have consequences. Donald Trump won the 2024 election. You've got to live that. Better luck next time.

You Leftists live in another reality in your own minds. Explain how open borders benefit the US. Just documented facts please. You've worn out the fascist thing so try so other hyperbole.

Scott's avatar

So you really think there was no mischief in the 2020 election? I guess you didn't see the video of Ruby Freeman and her mom running boxes of ballots hidden under the table through the machines again and again at 3AM. This was one of many, many pieces of evidence. It doesn't matter that very few cases are won, the judiciary is corrupt as hell and the machine has many ways to protect itself. The biggest problem in this country is that the elections aren't legitimate. If we get rid of the voting machines, and require voter id (real id obtained via proof of citizenship, not driver's licenses handed out to illegal aliens like in California and other states), get rid of mail-in ballots, and mandate same-day election results, MAYBE we will have a somewhat straight election and the people in charge will represent the people at large. Right now we are mostly unrepresented. So you can stuff that elections have consequences crap until the above is fixed.

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Kathy Christian's avatar

Legitimate disagreement doesn't mean turning the country into a quasi-Marxist dictatorship.

Hawaiian Pizza's avatar

But it does mean I can take exception when you make a cartoonishly exaggerated claim like "quasi-Marxist dictatorship". Especially when it's Donald Trump who has loudly and repeatedly proclaimed he can do anything he wants and made a big point of sending people to an extrajudicial torture gulag in El Salvador. Because Trump is an actual, real and living dictator wannabe.

Kathy Christian's avatar

Why is it cartoonishly exaggerated? Didn't Obama say he had a pen and a phone? Didn't he drone an American citizen, without that sacred due process? Didn't Biden tell federal employees and the military to get the covid vax or lose their jobs? Mandate EVs by 2035, no more gas appliances by 2030, make DEI the primary mission of every federal agency, designated half the country as white supremacists. But no, he wasn't cartoonishly quasi-Marxist.

Mary Ann Biermeier, M.Ed.'s avatar

It is clear the deep state runs its own agenda unchecked. Whatever agenda CIA has is not a legitimate form of government and surely not reflective of a Republic of states. Their only task is to enforce the laws passed by Congress.

Carolyn's avatar

Actually I think you are talking about yourself

William Wallace's avatar

Who’s Agenda Norty?

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dbriz's avatar

“War has all the characteristics of socialism most conservatives hate: Centralized power, state planning, false rationalism, restricted liberties, foolish optimism about intended results, and blindness to unintended secondary results.”

Joseph Sobran

Then there’s these questions:

Has Trump done anything about crony capitalism?

Anything to create stable currency?

Anything to deal with national debt?

It would seem these areas would qualify as “anti-socialism agenda” qualified.

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Hawaiian Pizza's avatar

The idea that Donald Trump represents Constitutional ideals is just plain insanity. He has spent 16 months mocking separation of powers and making every effort to jawbone people into ceding his demand that he runs everything, permanently.

He's had so much success at this that he and a few of his lickspittles were able to start a stupid war with Iran that has cost the U.S. its control of the Middle East. Yes, I said cost in the past tense -- it's a done deal. The USA might still have a military presence there, but that's just reality taking time to sink in. The bases are destroyed and the host countries now see the USA as a liability.

If the constitution were still in force -- if, that is, Congress were not utter cowards and the Supreme Court was not captured via a five-decade master plan to appoint partisan justices driven by the Federalist Society -- someone would have been able to hold Trump back before he lit the fuse. Too late now. The barrel of TNT has exploded, and Trump is standing there blinking, his face comically covered in soot. Any second now he'll look down and see the abyss beneath him.

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Kathy Christian's avatar

I'd ask where they think they have the right to do what they want in any job. So just because you don't agree with your boss, that gives you the right to disobey rules and orders?

Lugh's avatar

What if your boss says to commit a war crime? One Israeli solider left a suicide note saying, I can never be forgive for the things I have done.

Hatman1793's avatar

Alberta has oil sands, not tar sands. Alberta is keen to explore for more & export a ton of its oil & gas but the stupid Liberal government of Clown-car Carney has shut down all pipelines.

The easiest way for Alberta oil to reach the Pacific markets (and even California) would be a pipeline directly west.

Unfortunately the Stuck-on-Stupid BC voters keep electing NDP governments that vehemently oppose this. Alberta’s only relief will come when they declare independence. A new pipeline directly south will make them rich.

Frank Whiten's avatar

Alberta: America’s 51st state? You never know. Trump is way ahead of all of us and he always sticks the landing.

David Collins's avatar

They don't need to be the 51st state; the Republic of Alberta will work just fine.

Lugh's avatar

Venezuela as the 52nd. And then all of Black Africa. Why wait? Let's get it over with.

Ben's avatar

Canadians appear to be even more stupid than American Democrats.

Mitch's avatar

this really needs to be studied, but I tend to agree.

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Lugh's avatar

Toronto is the 4th largest city in North America, I've heard. So Mexico City, NYC, LA, and then Toronto?

Dudeman's avatar

Great points!

However, I'd like to share that pipelines do leak. That's a known fact. Some leak small. Others leak biggly. =)

The West Coast is (or was at least) a virgin spectacle of nature. Jaw dropping natural wonders. If you've never been out West, do go! And, an oil leak would be devastating. Especially a large accident.

Why cannot Alberta do their own pipeline south? Or, they need Federal approval for that?

Rosemary B's avatar

yeah, I imagine with earthquakes and stuff out west an underground pipeline would be bad. .... and then you have to think about the vandals

elysianfield's avatar

"The easiest way for Alberta oil to reach the Pacific markets (and even California) would be a pipeline directly west, administered by the United States Marine Corps."

Finish your thought.

Ted's avatar

And with Carney exiled to the island of St. Helena, to join a legion of other malefactors, like Brennan, Comey and Obama.

Lugh's avatar

Going through Leftist territory, "we" would have to conquer SK to insure the oil kept flowing to reach our Chinese allies. Now wait, why shouldn't we keep it all? Fuck them and their poisoned dog food.

Original Grandpa's avatar

pipeline directly south from "North Montana" down into Montana; very few leftards to deal with, and unlike elsewhere, we know where ours are and monitor them...

But yes, keep the oil. Fuck China. And Marines are welcome here... moreso than Californios...

BonWil's avatar

As a kid growing up in Alberta back in the last century, I can confirm the oil sands were commonly referred to as the tar sands then.

Gym+Fritz's avatar

If I were the head of the FBI, I would want to know exactly who in the FBI was talking with Comey, and what was being said, likewise with Brennen / CIA. Benedict Arnold is alive and well. This isn’t a typical ex-coworker situation - this is collusion.

Te Burt's avatar

I think you can pretty much bet the FBI know who both of them and everybody else they suspect are talking to, with and about. Funny how we make that assumption without thinking twice. A forked-tongue enemy is only revealed when they get cocky and let slip the secret part out loud - which the DEMs seem to do obsessively. As we've seen throughout history (which we will try NOT to repeat~!), hatred is a losing paradigm.

Ben's avatar

At one time, I supported a site in an FBI building, and all the G/S and higher that rated a teevee always had CNN on.

Very telling as to which way the FBI as an agency leans.

Te Burt's avatar

I have grave doubts about the hateful culture that has arisen. Maybe it was always there, but now we see it, thanks to another version of CNN - Cyber News Network. The only one I depend on since 2020 (once I realized we were under biological attack). Now, I don't even own a tv!

Jeff the Original's avatar

Who doesn’t maintain relationships with those you used to work with? As long as they aren’t sharing classified info…there’s nothing against the law or morally wrong with this.

Do you think that perhaps they talked about how many times Trump’s name showed up in the Epstein files?

James Howard Kunstler's avatar

That's absurd. . . nobody at the agency should be taking his calls. Not while he is subject to a criminal federal indictment.

Ben's avatar

Not only absurd, but direct contact with a known felon is grounds for losing one's security clearance.

Kathy Christian's avatar

Boy, you guys are really hung up on Trump's name in the Epstein files. But no one else.

Ben's avatar

TDS is a terrible condition rendering one incapable of seeing anything else.

Lugh's avatar

Your Kagan has said that "we" have lost the war. You will lose in Ukraine as well. But you still have Patagonia!

Lugh's avatar

No one else? Millions of ex-Trump supporters are.

John Schrauth's avatar

An excellent summary of the situation. As an aside, I'm surprised there is no mention of the absolute knee slapper of Mr. Obama decrying the "politicization of the DOJ."

DDForTruth's avatar

"...that Covid was a trip laid on the nation by its own Deep State (mainly the CIA), in concert with the rogue Democratic Party, for the express purpose of queering the 2020 election."

Let me fix that for ya:

"...that covid was a trip laid on NATIONS..."

Plural.

Several.

WW.

Deep States in every one of them.

"Liberal parties" in every one of them.

Seems more like an international cabal issue to yes, apply serious fuckery to the 2020 election, because [they] could NOT have the reckoning ball, aka Trump administration, coming into Power, however, the insidious destination of this world wide 'event' had far more sinister schemes afoot than the stolen election alone.

Just thought I'd clarify that with the loud HONK HONK of the mighty cobra chicken!

Cankerpuss's avatar

Covid certainly was a political maneuver, not a serious disease. It was nothing but a nasty strain of the Flu. I knew it was a fraud at the very beginning for the following reasons:

1. The PCR test was proven an inaccurate and unreliable test.

2. The virus magically behaved itself at Walmart, Home Depot and Amazon warehouses but it was naughty and infected people at churches, gyms and restaurants.

3. Cloth masks unable to filter water vapor in one's breath was expected to filter air laden in miniscule tinier than air viruses?

4. Elites not abiding the virus related mandates (see Pelosi and Gavin Newsom).

5. The push to use an untested, unproven vaccine that, for some reason, was exempt from the "side effects" disclaimers you hear on all the big pharma medical ads permeating streaming television services these days.

6. The practical disappearance of the annual flu virus.

I will admit that during the first few weeks of the covid fraud I was a little worried but once the "6 foot separation" mandate came out from all the health "experts" I was done with all of it.

The media is currently trying to hump up the Hantavirus and make it the next big pandemic. Not going to happen. Only one strain of Hantavirus can pass from human to human and that isn't an easy transmission. You literally need to be swapping spit with an infected and symptomatic person to do that.

I won't be duped again.

Beth Nicolaides's avatar

I can't love this comment enough.

DDForTruth's avatar

I knew it was BS from the beginning because a 'virus' cannot, CANNOT, live, thrive and survive in both the Northern and Southern hemispheres, period...never mind at the same exact damn time!

Also, by the time [they] announced the situation, the horse had already left the barn, impregnated all the surrounding pastures, and was back chompin' on hay already!

Great response and thank you for it. Always appreciated.

JDaveF's avatar

Influenza lives, thrives, and survives in the Northern and Southern hemispheres every year. https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/5beb5b51-d4d5-476d-bc29-0b205bbce9f6/aihw-phe-236_influenza_2025.pdf

P. Robert Thorson's avatar

"Peak Oil", and all the numbers that don't pencil out, is coming back home to roost with a vengeance. The game of musical chairs is now getting serious, and somebody (or everyone) has to take a significant cut to their standard of living.

We may have the politicians aligning this way or that, but the mad scramble for lifeboats and "every man for himself" doesn't look too far off. We're about to have our priorities reassigned regardless of our plans.

Hawaiian Pizza's avatar

If by "lifeboats" you mean different and completely realistic new sources of energy, your previous administration was funding wind and solar and your current one has cut that off. The self-own, it burns!

John Schrauth's avatar

How is that working out for Europe?

Hawaiian Pizza's avatar

Europe is having problems precisely in proportion to how much it's following the Trump agenda.

The USA's problem is that it's completely captured by the entrenched oil interests who won't stand for any competition even as their business model careens head-on into its unavoidable endpoint.

Europe's problem is that it either can't or won't separate from the US and pursue an independent path. They could be buying cheap gas from Russia to keep the lights on while they go full-bore on building wind, solar and nuclear. (Germany in particular made the ill-advised decision to close all their nuclear capacity, which they're going to have to reverse.) Instead they suck up to Big Daddy, buying Texas LNG for eight times as much. Don't expect me to defend foolishness.

James Howard Kunstler's avatar

Northrup Frye Cook — better get back to your flat-top and flip some flapjacks. . . you know jack-shit about global politics.

Doohmax's avatar

Germany closed their nuclear facilities as part of their "Green Agenda". Their legally binding target is for net carbon neutrality by 2045. Germany's energy problems are the result of going all in on "sustainable" energy. Germany is the model for the new green energy agenda.

Are you admitting that they're having energy problems? If so, you're admitting that the "green" energy agenda sucks.

Il faut savoir ~'s avatar

Is this another dimension comment? You'd have to be blind to not see what is going on in Europe. With your frame of mind, we should go back to the caves maybe?

P. Robert Thorson's avatar

The "lifeboats" reference is just a metaphor of the scramble that's now on for maintaining and/or expanding (thank you AI) energy supplies. Think deck on the Titanic when the groaning of the hull and bow down attitude became obvious to the crew and passengers. Basic physics and a couple of napkins can help demonstrate that currently deployed "green" energy sources like wind and solar are woefully inadequate to keep things rolling along. But it won't be long before even oil and gas costs and supplies are limiting factors for "modern" standards of living.

No administration can address predicaments like problems and expect to solve anything.

Hawaiian Pizza's avatar

This is self-defeating loser thinking. When your energy supply is in jeopardy, the thing to do is to (A) secure that supply, (B) secure a separate supply, and/or (C) both.

At this very minute, we're witnessing Donald Trump in the midst of spectacularly doing the *opposite* of plan A by an ill-advised war on Iran that he has very clearly lost and cannot possibly recover the status quo ante. The USA is *maybe* 350 million people on a planet of 8 billion, and thanks to Trump all 8 billion of us have now received a kick in the pants to get serious about plan B instead.

Given how Trump has actually cancelled plan-A programs instituted by his predecessor in office and gone all-in for the fossil fuel industry, whose end is rapidly approaching, what he is actually doing isn't any of plans A, B or C. He's enacting plan D: do nothing while you continue to collect your winnings, and "plan" (if that's the word) to be out of office or dead by the time the USA hits the wall, and gets left behind by the world and by history.

P. Robert Thorson's avatar

Ugh, there's a difference between being realistic and delusional. Until you bring an energy source that can scale and be affordable that comes close to oil and gas, you're just blowing smoke.

History demonstrates that Empires fall from resource depletion. This time it will crash as fossil fuels run low. The fallout will be catastrophic as the political class across the globe does the headless chicken.

This is not a problem to be solved. It's a predicament with limited mitigation. All time, capital and resources expended trying to address energy as a "problem" only makes things worse. In this case, it won't be limited to catching that cheap flight to Vegas for the weekend that disappears. The real bite will be 8.4B people scrambling for enough food and fresh water to stay alive, as yields drop without fertilizers and aquifers run dry.

Buckle up, Zippy.

Vegan Shark's avatar

" When your energy supply is in jeopardy, the thing to do is to (A) secure that supply, (B) secure a separate supply, and/or (C) both."

May I suggest a plan (D)?

Stop depending on ever-more complicated, expensive, and ultimately desperate means of oil extraction. Stop depending on metastasizing wind farms, solar panels, and other politically correct but inadequate forms of energy generation. Don't rely on very costly nuclear plants that take decades to build and test.

Instead of worshiping population growth as some kind of economic benefit (more people to sell things to!), support population reduction.

Not only will fewer people be able to enjoy a better quality of life, but it will relieve the madcap scramble for endlessly squeezing more energy resources from a static supply. The Earth isn't creating more fossil fuels, more wind, or more sunshine. We shouldn't be overdrawing our account.

Think on it.

JackStrawWichita's avatar

So, the left is responsible for the deaths of tens of millions around the world in order to keep Trump out of the White House.

Graham Platner and his beloved artist/hero would be so proud.

Truman Verdun's avatar

Stupidity, lies, and hubris have a way of getting sorted out, gravitationally, like idiot rogues flinging themselves from an airplane -- without parachutes.

Splat goes the weasel.

Casey Jones's avatar

No mention of nuclear, which should have been (and still could be) the energy for fixed (and battery viable) applications. Oil becomes too valuable to be a fuel long before it runs out.

Cankerpuss's avatar

True, but before that can happen battery technology has to be refined. Current battery tech doesn't bode well when damaged, and, our world will be full of landfills with spent, toxic batteries.

Kathy Christian's avatar

The pushers for electric haven't figured that out yet. Incidentally, the old term for a drug dealer used to be “pusher.” Now they're just dealers.

Ben's avatar

They are now recycling lithium batteries, the same as lead-acid ones.

Cankerpuss's avatar

Well that's a start. With all these Tesla's coming of age, there's going to be a lot of them.

Casey Jones's avatar

Things can develop on more than one track.

Kathy Christian's avatar

If everyone goes nuclear, then there's no more leverage for nations to use against each other. And that's no fun. So no one will go nuclear.

Humdeedee's avatar

Anyone else notice that one side of James Comey’s entire face is droopy. Bell’s Palsy? I’d be shocked if he took the jab, but maybe he did. Good. I hope he shambles quickly to a slow, painful death.

DWEEZIL THE WEASEL's avatar

I would have to take exception to your Masthead comment by Mr. Forney. The Golden Golem and his Dead Elephant Party are going to get their asses handed to them this coming November. And as soon as the "New Congress" is sworn in in 2027, the Impeachment Clown Show will begin.

This draft-dodging blowhard has betrayed his base. Americans are broke, due to his Israeli-mandated fiasco with Iran. He and his ilk will go down just as Churchill did to that socialist Atlee in 1945. The yammering MIGA BOTS think they still have a majority audience. But the reality is the rest of us Serfs trying to figure out how to stretch the paycheck even further due to gasoline and the transportation costs of groceries. Plan accordingly, my friends. Bleib ubrig.

Jeff Keener's avatar

As long as you insist on being a serf, you will be a serf. Otherwise, you're boring as hell.

DWEEZIL THE WEASEL's avatar

Yeah. I'll just try and vote harder. That will fix everything, right?

Jeff Keener's avatar

Right over your head.

Carolyn's avatar

Poor stupid idiot

A.M.'s avatar

I don't know if it is intellectually/psychologically possible to unpack the damage inflicted on everyone of us by Covid. I personally can relate dozens of impacts, all serious, all deeply disturbing, some of them fatal. I am in no way unique. The damage is so great I don't think I go too far to say that there are some equivalencies to the Holocaust. Like many others, there are so many consequences and ripple effects and it changed my life forever. And ironically, perhaps, I've been fully aware of the dangerous actions of the CIA all of my adult life simply because in college I studied 20th century foreign policy and my curiosity lead me down that dark road and I read book after book on the subject. When Covid began to unroll, it felt wrong and I was not worried--but I should have feared more the consequences on everyone I loved and all those who died early and in isolation.

Freedom 4 conservatives's avatar

Leftist dorks and many neo-cons fail to understand that, ideological differences aside, Russia and the U.S. have aligned national interests. Both are resource-rich countries that control vast natural resources within their borders. Both the U.S. and Russia are strategically threatened by Communist China, but for different reasons. The U.S. is economically threatened by Communist China because the U.S. has become so reliant on Communist China for manufactured goods of almost every type. Russia is physically threatened by Communist China because the Chi-Comms have a gazillion-soldier military and endless military hardware production capability sitting right next to Russia's least-populated and resource-rich regions. Russia is now walking down the same stupid international relations line with China that the old Soviet Union did when it signed a non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany. China is playing Russia for chumps, just like Nazi Germany played the old Soviet Union for chumps. Trump understands this, and was trying to drive a wedge between China and Russia during his first term. But then, Biden, the Deep State, and the Democrat evil morons signed on to the Chi-Comm payroll and pushed Russia right into China's arms. And the Democrats, neo-cons, and other traitors in the U.S. are continuing to destroy any chance for Russia and the U.S. to work together to advance their mutual interests--namely corralling China's world dominance ambitions. The simple fact is that the biggest ally that the Communist Chinese have in their goal to destroy America is the American Democrat Party and the treasonous anti-freedom minions now dominating it.

Now, about JHK's comments about Russian oil reserves and production. Nearly 10 years ago, a family friend's son--an oilfield geologist--spent a year under contract to an American company trying to help Russia advance its oil industry technologically. He returned to the U.S. after just a year, in total frustration. Here is how he described it: the Russian oil industry is only about as technically advanced as America's was 50-75 years ago. He said their oil industry was so "backwards" that he believed that they didn't even have a way to understand just how large their actual petroleum reserves really are. He said that the Russian workforce--steeped in generations of Communist/Socialism--had nearly zero work ethic at all (and he added that leftist Americans seem eager to emulate that failed Socialist model!), and still labored under the old "we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us" mantra. The workers were also ill-trained and poorly supervised--he said that 10 of his U.S. workers did easily as much productive work as 100 of the Russian workers. His back-of-the-envelope estimate was that, were American oil companies and workers managing and operating the Russian oil industry from top-to-bottom, Russian oil production would likely rise by 2-5 times higher than current production and that recoverable oil reserves in Russia would probably triple.

Pnoldguy's avatar

In the long game, the FBI and CIA are STILL staffed with tens of thousands of the SAME PEOPLE being exposed as seditious. All of the expose' currently happening AFTER the statute of limitations runs out just screams political theatre and promises of accountability ..... someday.

Hawaiian Pizza's avatar

It must be another day ending in Y, because today's post is yet another tissue of wrongheadedness and delusion. There's some fun to be had picking it apart, but the RVO part of DARVO (Deny, Accuse, Reverse Victim and Offender) has to come first.

Kunstler: "There’s Canada, of course, and its tar sands, but the Great White North these days leans rather hostilely towards its neighbor to the south (us)." Yes, that tends to happen when your chief executive brings two centuries of peace and mutual respect to a crashing halt by declaring you the 51st state and referring to your prime minister as "governor". The USA has bombed countries flat for showing not even a tenth as much disrespect.

Then there's Kunstler's complete failure to understand the moment, caused by his boomer-brained attachment to the dying fossil fuel narrative. The "scramble for what's left" is yesterday's news and only the backward-looking are much bothered with it. Forward-looking countries, like China, are building solar and wind infrastructure that will ensure they still have energy to work with. The USA, meanwhile, is completely captive to an industry that is petering out because they lack both the political will and the basic common sense to prepare for a future that might actually work. At this point in history, to make fossil fuels the end-all and be-all of your policy outlook even as you admit that its failure is inevitable is to willingly hang a millstone around your neck as you wade into the deep water. It's a fate I hope Canada can still avoid.

James Howard Kunstler's avatar

Northrup Frye Cook — You're seriously misinformed.

William Wallace's avatar

Norty has both his feet planted firmly in the air!

Hawaiian Pizza's avatar

This is a worthless comment unless and until you explain how.

Kathy Christian's avatar

Hate to pop your bubble, pal, but in the not too distant future the sun is going to lose a third of its power. And those solar panels with which everyone loves to cover productive farmland will be smashed by the 100-lb hailstones that will come.

Cankerpuss's avatar

That might happen, but I doubt that is going to happen in our lifetimes. The sun still has millions of years of fuel left to burn. At least that is what I have read.

Kathy Christian's avatar

It's going to happen in our lifetime, Cankerpuss. That's why we're warned. All those who aren't right with God will suffer through the piecemeal destruction of the world. Most will not survive.

Lugh's avatar

The Sun shines on the righteous and unrighteous alike. Kathy thinks that the Sun won't shine on bad people. It will boycott them somehow.

Huge gay festival planned for the Dead Sea area in Israel, near to the old cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. What say you? Thumbs up or down? Sun or no Sun?

Cankerpuss's avatar

I think it more likely that the sun has a massive solar flare that burns the Earth to a crisp than the sun actually burning out.

Carolyn's avatar

Then you haven't read the Bible

Peter's avatar

Source: trust me bro

Vegan Shark's avatar

Who or what is going to pull the Sun's plug?

Hawaiian Pizza's avatar

That's truly alarming news, Kathy. Truly. Which astrophysicist warned you that the sun's output is going to drop by a third? Is habitable zone in solar orbit going to move away from the Earth, or is the Earth going to move farther from the sun? Or are we talking about a nuclear winter scenario? I love science, please share with me how you know this is going to happen and what's going to cause it.

Kathy Christian's avatar

The Bible warned me, Northrup. No amount of wind and solar will stop it. I agree with you that oil is running out. After all, it's made of the bodies of millions of people and animals that died in the flood. So there is a finite supply. But the present earth has come to the end of its shelf life.

Ben R's avatar

Oil is not made of what they have told us, nor is it running out.

Lugh's avatar

Chapter and verse, peas.

Mark Smith's avatar

Hydrocarbons have been detected on nearly all other planets in our solar system. Those extraterrestrial hydrocarbons arose through some process other than the conversion of dead life forms into the various compounds, such as methane and ethane. Assuming the constancy of chemistry and physics, why would it not be possible for the earth to generate hydrocarbons through a process we have yet to identify, but a process that is independent of the need for dead carbon-based life forms?

Vegan Shark's avatar

Well, can't question the Bible, which is God's word, every syllable, punctuation mark, and chapter number. After all, no human being ever had a hand in writing and editing it. So convenient how it answers definitively all possible questions and relieves us of the tiresome need for thinking.

Cankerpuss's avatar

"After all, it's made of the bodies of millions of people and animals that died in the flood."

Sorry, but I laughed out loud at this comment.

Oil isn't made from a bunch of rotten, decomposing bodies. Sorry. Not buying that one.

There are theories out there that the Earth produces the stuff. Deep down in the mantle where the pressure and heat are sufficient to cause chemical reactions resulting in raw petroleum. Don't know if they are true or not but I don't buy the claim that all oil deposits were once mass graves of people and dinosaurs.

How do you explain oil deposits miles under the deep ocean floors?

Hawaiian Pizza's avatar

So you say these words, and what I hear is: "It's easier for me to imagine the end of the world than the end of fossil fuels." This has been my problem with the peak-oil narrative all along, even as I've nodded in vigorous agreement where that narrative was accurate.

If you want to shrug your shoulders and embrace failure, feel free. I can think of 8 billion people who might want a wee bit more out of that for their future, and their children's.

Kathy Christian's avatar

There's some vegetation in there, too.

William's avatar

You make it abundantly clear that you feel the only science is the “Science” you bend over for. At least pretend you are interested in some true scientific -objective- questioning and inquiry. I hope you are still wearing the multiple masks and 16 foot “safe zone” your messiah of true science mandated. 2 weeks, no mask, one mask, many - just don’t breath and I promise I will keep you safe. Have dinner at that CA Michelin fraud restaurant with your fellow scientist oily newsome. He is immune to any virus as well as any semblance of intelligence or morality.

Doth projecteth too much, guido!

Hawaiian Pizza's avatar

That’s a very cute straw man you plonked down so you could beat the stuffing back out of it. Have you considered merchandising?

JuQu's avatar

Ya just couldn’t help yourself. Ya had to name call with “ boomer brained”. Ruined your whole comment.

Hawaiian Pizza's avatar

Then allow me to eliminate confusion and restate it: "Boomer-brained". Backward-looking. Out of step with the times. Everything is changing, except Kunstler's expectations. His analysis is terrible because he can't change his mind or change the subject, nevermind the facts.

JuQu's avatar

Thanks for amplifying that you cannot make your point without name calling.

alberghetti's avatar

Now do Jonathan Turley, your regular stomping grounds, annony

tom clark's avatar

"The Long Emergency" (2005) by James Howard Kunstler.

Hawaiian Pizza's avatar

Read it. Paid for it. Got the T-shirt. Your point?

tom clark's avatar

In 2005 it was a forward-thinking book because the whole concept of "peak oil" hadn't been popularized yet.

Hawaiian Pizza's avatar

Yes, and the one thing I kept thinking the whole time is, "Okay, what about other energy sources then?" The book was at best half-useful. The other half was simply an exercise in solipsistic doomerism: the end of petroleum is the end of the world, full stop. That was simply and always just a symptom of Kunstler's lack of imagination...

... That, and his nihilistic hatred of modernity. Kunstler hates happy motoring and he hates consumerism. Well and good, lots of people hate both. But what's more, he hates the very kind of society that makes those things possible, and he's increasingly made no bones about the fact that his "world made by hand" is simply an expression of his desire to roll back history to a simpler time. A time when there were no happy motorists, when men were in charge, when there was no clamour of politics, and everything was settled in a way that warms his particular heart in his particular way.

That's the seed that fascism always grows from, and Kunstler is a fascist if I ever heard of one. Yes, I mean it. No, I'm not simply using the word as a club. The charge has substance and I make it in good faith and a full heart.

Kathy Christian's avatar

You sound pissed off and petulant in your posts. If you don't like the comments posted or the editorial written, maybe you should go to a site with which you agree.

alberghetti's avatar

This what he does, Kathy, he is a regular on Jonathan Turleys site, ragging on him daily. Now he's here. another participation trophy winner who loves boomer insults . His tell

Hawaiian Pizza's avatar

I can do both, as can you. If you want a site where you never, ever have to hear from someone who disagrees with you, there's always Fox News. Muting or blocking me is also an option. I won't be offended.

Howard Skillington's avatar

You really are an intellectual coward, aren't you, Kathy? You would like to purge any dissenting thought and just inhabit a Kunstler echo chamber.

And when you do encounter opinions that you don't like, you don't possess any resources with which to counter them, so you just whine about it,.

Lugh's avatar

Classic feminism. The hatred of debate.

Beth Nicolaides's avatar

He sounds as if his girdle is pinching him.

JackStrawWichita's avatar

All Canada had to do was lower tariffs to match the US's, but instead, because it was an election year, they decided to go elbows up and show how strong they are in standing up to big bad Trump.

Carney and Poilievre puffed up like tom turkeys and strutted around with the usual bluster, yelling "orange man bad" and the echolalia of the leftist narrative controllers.

That was about as bad a losing strategy as anyone could dream up. Now, you have a globalist slimeball giving away all your money, importing the third world at an incredible rate, and destroying any chance of a positive economic future for native Canadians.

Get back in the kitchen, bitch.

Hawaiian Pizza's avatar

You blithering nitwit, there were no tariffs between Canada and the USA. We had a trade agreement called the USMCA, negotiated in good faith by all three parties, that enabled tariff-free trade across our borders. It was signed in 2018. BY DONALD FUCKING TRUMP.

You blithering nitwit, you have the memory of a canary. It's one thing for Trump to change his mind, rip up an agreement he himself signed, and impose tariffs unilaterally. It's a shitty way to behave, but it's within his rights.

But it's quite something else for Trump to rewrite history and proclaim that the USA has been cheated in a heavily negotiated agreement with a neighbour one tenth its size *that he signed himself*. He's a bullying shitheel who will piss on our leg and tell us it's raining. And he has MAGA clamoring to take a drink.

You blithering nitwit.

JackStrawWichita's avatar

Holy crap. You really don't know jack shit, do you?

Quick, go back to the CBC and get your daily injection of propaganda.

Hawaiian Pizza's avatar

Heh. If facts contradict the MAGA narrative, choose the narrative every time. After all, ignorance is strength. And MAGA is nothing if not invincible ignorance.

Howard Skillington's avatar

From China’s perspective, the US is on a similar circling-the-drain trajectory as Europe. China can live without US soybeans, but not without the flow of oil which Iran will likely continue to control.

Even setting oil aside, China has invested a great deal in constructing the beginnings of a North-South commercial corridor connected with Iran, including rail lines which the US has been assiduously destroying in its bombing missions over Iran.

China has always played the long game, and humoring Mr. Trump into believing that we may be getting on the same team makes sense. Actually doing so makes little sense for the future of China, some form of BRICS alliance, and the Global South, where the future actually lies.

Hawaiian Pizza's avatar

As Trump Meets Xi, Iran Lets Chinese Ships Through Strait of Hormuz

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/05/14/us/trump-news#iran-strait-hormuz-china-ships

"Iran has allowed some Chinese vessels to pass through the Strait of Hormuz following diplomatic overtures from China’s government, semiofficial Iranian news agencies reported on Thursday. ...

"The Trump administration has been pressing China to use its leverage with Iran to help reopen the strait, which is a main shipping route for oil from the Persian Gulf.

"Fars and Tasnim, two semiofficial Iranian news agencies, said Iran had approved the passage of some Chinese vessels under rules set by Tehran for managing traffic in the waterway.

"Fars reported that the crossings had begun on Wednesday night, following a diplomatic outreach by China’s foreign minister and its ambassador to Iran. It said the move was rooted in the two countries’ strategic partnership."

Trump's big plan was to try to jawbone the Chinese into putting pressure on Iran. Instead, Iran and China worked things out between themselves. The Chinese have clean sailing ahead after Trump's disastrous blunder that has queered things for most every country on earth, and most every country on earth understands that.

James Howard Kunstler's avatar

Northrup— You have no idea how this will work out. I'd advise you to wait forty-eight hours before opening your cloacal vent to opine.

elysianfield's avatar

"I'd advise you to wait forty-eight hours before opening your cloacal vent to opine."

Excellent! Advice we should all accept.

Howard Skillington's avatar

So: you are advocating that no dissenting opinions be expressed on this forum. Why?

Howard Skillington's avatar

Waiting is easy. Let's see what happens and note it in a week, or a month, or six months...

Hawaiian Pizza's avatar

That sounds like a threat. You really, really just can't take being disagreed with, can you? What a delicate doily.

Lugh's avatar

Yeah, as if China was ever going to accept not doing business with Iran. Trump is ridiculous.