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The Cosmic Onion's avatar

Kunstler nails one thing that many pundits miss — wars don’t usually end with ticker-tape parades anymore. They end with silence. One day the rockets stop flying and the news cycle moves on.

His argument is simple: remove Iran’s ability to launch missiles and drones and the war effectively ends without boots on the ground. No grand surrender ceremony. Just the sudden absence of explosions.

That part rings true.

Where things get murkier is the assumption that Iran is already collapsing internally. Persia has been around for thousands of years and has a long memory for surviving empires that thought they had it finished.

History suggests something else: wars in that region rarely end cleanly and almost never according to anyone’s script.

Still, Kunstler is asking a useful question that Washington usually refuses to ask:

If the threat is neutralized, why invade at all?

Sometimes the smartest victory is simply letting the dust settle and letting a nation sort itself out.

— Lone Wolf

Cankerpuss's avatar

I still hold that the United States has no business invading other nations or raining cruise missiles down on other national governments, especially when such a nation poses no significant threat to the United States or its population. As an aggressor against an inferior foe the USA has lost the moral high ground. Period. These wars aren't to make Iran a better nation. These wars are to make money. How can the USA justify a trillion dollar defense budget when there isn't a war going on. Peace doesn't make TPTB wealthy. Wars certainly do. I mean, when the profit margins are high for Lockheed, Northrup-Grummond, Boeing, Raytheon and others things are good and things are good when there is a nation to bomb!

I hate war in all of its forms. The only war where we maintain the moral high ground is when we are defending ourselves from an aggressive enemy invading our homes. You know, the millions of military aged illegal aliens lurking about in our cities and towns that nobody seems to care about. Especially the USA's military who is charged with our defense, spread abroad in hundreds of military bases everywhere but HERE! Go figure.

Perhaps Mr. Kunstler is right and this might end well for Iran and the middle east. I hope it does. Then again, it might be like Afghanistan where the people are too divided by tribalism mentality to ever come together and the USA has just created another Libya.

Either way, nothing gives the USA the right to make war on another nation especially without Congressional approval.

Paul B. Cohen's avatar

The current situation isn’t “making war.” It’s acknowledging and finishing one the US didn’t initiate. And don’t bother bringing up ‘53. That’s an overblown false narrative. We could also go back to the late 18th century if not the 7th, but facts in context make no difference to those in love with themselves in their lies.

John Watson's avatar

i hope you are a zionist bot and not a real stupid person

Ben's avatar

Says the "real stupid person"

Cankerpuss's avatar

Oh please. Your comment is absurd. The USA has no right to be bombing or invading another sovereign nation. Period. The Congress hasn't authorized a war since Pearl Harbor.

EK MtnTime's avatar

Never mind that Hussein Obama, Bush, and Clinton all engaged in wars unauthorized by Congress. Trump derangement syndrome does tend to blind people quite effectively to the past.

John Watson's avatar

interesting info but we are here and now and need to make best decisions for today

Inisfad's avatar

Perhaps actually read the law that allows a President to engage in a military action for 60 days without Congressional approval.

Cankerpuss's avatar

That law is contrary to the US Constitution. The SCOTUS screwed up when it said this law was Constitutional. The Constitution should have been amended.

Inisfad's avatar

It’s not a black and white situation, particularly as the US has not declared war since WW2.

Sonny Lapilotta's avatar

Huh? Your LAST sentence prove the stupidity of your SECOND sentence.

Cankerpuss's avatar

Your lack of a structured response shows you know nothing and have nothing to contribute or to rebut. Go tell someone they don't want you around anymore. I present an argument and an opinion and you offer absolutely nothing but inane insults.

Ben's avatar

That as of late is well over half the comments on this board.

Nasty over the top downright hateful.

TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH's avatar

Cohen HAS been known to tell a fib or three at times...

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

Cohen believes in magic.

He believes there is an imaginary man in the sky who can look over 5-million people all at the same time! LOL

Ben's avatar

What a snarky statement.

I guess in your little world being an asshole is only allowed when it's you huh?

Dennis you are a clown.

GabeReal's avatar

‘53 is not a false narrative…

elysianfield's avatar

"And don’t bother bringing up ‘53"

Paul, a deal...I will stop bringing up events in 53 if you stop bringing up vested rights from the old testament....

Paul B. Cohen's avatar

Haven’t and don’t need to.

Douglas's avatar

Oh it’s the devout. We must be impressed for their love of old books. And you just know they’re the moral majority so they must be perfect. So carve up the Arab bodies cause the lust has given way to hunger. But please save the Arab ass for our anointed Jewish brethren.

elysianfield's avatar

...And I haven't, but am prepared to.

Annette kimball's avatar

He does not need congress to approve! Respectfully I think you misjudged Trump! I truly believe he wants to make America safe. Eliminate nuclear threats! I too hate war & soldiers dying…..my high school class of 1965 sent many friends to their demise.

Call me ignorant or nieve but I trust our Presidents intentions! God bless America🇺🇸🇺🇸

Cankerpuss's avatar

I don't disagree with your comments about the POTUS, Annette Kimball, but you are wrong about his ability to wage war. Under the US Constitution only the Congress has the authority to make war on another nation. Yes, there is the War Powers Act which grants the POTUS some limited authority for extreme situations but this War Powers Act goes contrary to US Constitution and the US Constitution was never amended to permit the War Powers Act. The SCOTUS botched their interpretation of the Constitution when it upheld the War Powers Act.

Besides, the US is bankrupt and can no longer afford to be the world's police. Everyone seems to ignore this fact. $38 trillion and growing. We just can't do it anymore. The Republic is busted wide open in debt.

Dena's avatar

Stopping China from buying oil cheap from Iran is in America’s best interest. It weakens China, who is a threat to America. Iran has been killing Americans for decades & calling death to America along the way. if they have a N bomb they will use it. I would say even if they unleashed it on Israel & not directly on us, it’s a threat to the lives in the entire world. Trump is right - we cannot punt this down the road.

Rick's avatar

You can't be serious? Iran is a huge terrorist threat to America... Israel too! So it must be solved?

Cankerpuss's avatar

Quit regurgitating Fox News and Sean Hannity talking points. You tell me how Iran is a HUGE terrorist threat to the USA?

Identify one terrorist event that has killed Americans that Iran claimed responsibility for? And don't say 9-11. The terrorists were Saudi Arabians.

Name one prominent American killed by Iranian officials?

Name one nation that has been invaded by Iran?

Tell me of any time in your life where you were threatened, harmed, harrassed or otherwise bothered by anyone claiming Iranian heritage?

I'll take my lumps if I am wrong. Prove me wrong.

ann lewis's avatar

And we know they were Saudi Arabians because we found their actual passports! It was a miracle, but there they were!

John Watson's avatar

and, thank you for bringing up the passport. we have become so bad at false flag setups. a building melts from heat and then right there; on top of the rubble, is the paper passport

Occam's avatar

THIS.

People will apparently believe anything. I'm not aware of anything Iran has done, other than stand up to a heavy-handed Israel that looks to dominate the ME.

Still no sign of "Iranian terror cells" (tm)

Rick's avatar

Umm you don't realize all the Hell Iran creates in the Middle East? How do you know that Iran has not infiltrated the USA? Nope time to bring Iran down and stop playing cat and mouse!

Cankerpuss's avatar

There are millions of military aged undocumented men in American right now. I conceded some of these could be Iranians. Hence my argument that our military should be here searching and vetting these people instead of being spread thin throughout the world.

I admit I don't know all and see all. I know very little. Only that which I experience, read and hear.

I do know that Iran as a nation has not invaded another nation. The United States has invaded many sovereign nations. I guess its okay for the USA to do this but none others?

I hold to George Washington's farewell address where he admonished us to have free trade with all but to avoid all foreign entanglements.

Michael Bunte's avatar

How do you know North Korea doesn't have sleeper cells stationed allover the U.S. They have motive, right? And they supposedly have nuclear weapons.

Ben's avatar

Please tell me the last time North Korea had several thousand religious zealots chanting death to America.

Occam's avatar

Well said.

"Exporting evil" means anyone who opposes Israel's heavy handed tactics in subjugating the ME, it appears.

Perhaps someone can list all the horrible, evil things Iran has done to make us hate them, because all I hear from people are administration talking points, which is kind of silly considering it's been lying to Americans for decades now.

Believing in the US government proclaiming another country evil is kind of rich given all the mayhem US foreign policy has caused over the years.

Mary K's avatar

No significant threat?! Pehaps the islamist cult shouting death to America while having nuclear weapons that can reach the US and the rest of the civilized world doesn't concern you just a bit?!

Cankerpuss's avatar

Oh please! Give me a break. Are you serious? Iran doesn't have nuclear missiles much less the capability to send those missiles to the other side of the effing globe to blow us up. If they had nukes that could travel that far don't you reckon they'd have used them by now if they really want to bring death to America. At least Israel, but they haven't nuked Israel yet, have they? Come on, get real. You are war humper grasping desperately trying to grab low hanging fruit.

It comes down to one simple thing, Mary K. Let me spell it out for you. If Iran was as dangerous as you claim they are and if they had nukes that could reach us, tell me why we are still here? And don't tell me they are restraining themselves.

Your comment is naivete at best.

Sonny Lapilotta's avatar

Bullschiff. You must be employed by Skidmore College or The NY Times. Your remarks are childish offensive drivel. APPROVAL BY CONGRESS? Are you mad? THIS congress? A CNN soundbyte that reflects the naivete of the left. There were 8 ‘wars’ that congress was not ‘consulted’..Look it up. This president has changed the world dynamic and the simple fact that Iran has no capability to enrich (for war) for a delivery of a nuclear weapon is just about as much as you need.

Cankerpuss's avatar

You are an idiot. Plain and simple.

Read the US Constitution you daft idiot. Only Congress can declare war.

The War Powers Act grants the President authority to wage war for 60 days but the War Powers Act is actually contrary to the Constitution and the Constitution was never amended.

I believe in the rule of law and the Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

Moron.

Sonny Lapilotta's avatar

CankerBRAIN. You are inhaling too many drugs. Read my comment again and TRY to understand the presidents prerogatives. You have a penchant for hurling invectives to anyone that possibly disagrees with you outlandish posits. Youre either too old or too young to be on a public forum. You are an akin to the court jesters of Europe. WOW

Sonny Lapilotta's avatar

PS: You describe yourself as an anti-elite. Comical. Another name for a jealous ne’er do well, whose envy drives them to hallucinations of econoclastic monkish solitary happiness. While in and of itself, that might be a utopia for some, this world and its economic forces could/will never support it.

Cankerpuss's avatar

I'm bored with your inane comments. All you want to do is argue and you present nothing worthy of consideration. Moving on.

Adios.

Sonny Lapilotta's avatar

Aaah when confronted with truth (read my comments again, dipSchiff), the insufferable lefty jealous vacuity always surfaces.

How you exist defies comprehension. Wait, mea culpa…As Forrest Gump said: Stupid is as stupid does.

Jacqueline's avatar

I read a list of nations without a Rothschild central bank… Venezuela had been one, and now has one and Iran… will the end of this war result in Iran having a Rothschild central bank indebting and enslaving their populace?

William Voelz's avatar

So, Cank, all you just objected to is entirely reversed WITH the approval of about 600 more people ??

Cankerpuss's avatar

The Constitution permits war under the declaration of the US Congress. I believe in the rule of law.

William Voelz's avatar

That was altered in the 1970’s. The Oval has discretion to send forces into battle.

Cankerpuss's avatar

No it wasn't. The Constitution hasn't been amended.

William Voelz's avatar

Don’t say amended. It was sidestepped. You may me a “I believe in rebuke of law guy but today it’s the Wild West again. Cowboys everywhere

Tenquid's avatar

I favor the Smoking Crater Solution. Kill the leaders, destroy their weapons, declare victory and walk away. Then make it clear that you are watching closely and will not hesitate to return to do it again, if they return to their old modus operandi.

Cankerpuss's avatar

And who gave the USA the authority to kill the leaders, destroy their weapons and declare victory.

Walk away? And let the same thing happen that happened in Afghanistan after 20 years of US occupation?

Watching closely? Who nominated the USA to be the world police? Because the USA is wealthy? Ha. Last I checked the USA was $38 trillion in the hole and counting. Rich? My ass.

Your post is absurd.

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

Could not have said it better, CP

Notice all the Zionists bots trying to change the subject to energy production.

They know they are on the wrong side of morality.

NO MORE WAR.

Cankerpuss's avatar

Yeah, it is amazing to me how many people will defend the USA invading and destroying another sovereign nation that hasn't inflicted any damage on the homeland in any way. Just read Chuck's inane comment above. I guess it is easy to hop on the pro-war bandwagon when sitting in their basements in their comfy underpants posting comments rather than being the people being bombed.

I'm a pacifist. I hate war. All war.

Ben's avatar

You might be a pacifist, but the rest of the world wants war.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

You want war, not the rest of the world. The rest of the world is tired of seeing the cowardly and incompetent US committing Mai Lai type massacres and then suffering ignominious defeat at the hands of third world peasants, as happened in Vietnam, or goat herders, as happened in Afghanistan.

Cankerpuss's avatar

Yes, I am in the vast minority. I get it.

William Voelz's avatar

Every human being was born into a state of war. It is the present global condition and will remain so until the Prince of Peace brings it to a conclusion with the final war yet ahead. Disobedience has rained its consequences down on this realm.

Chuck's avatar

I was going to make a cogent argument refuting specific points of your comments. But apparently it was completely lost on you that the author is framing his points with the strategic geopolitical end goals in mind. And this will probably be a waste of my time.

Geopolitics is about 2 things and 2 things only. Power and resources… If the land that you happen to live on has resources worth extracting or or its position on a map make even worthless land a desirable possession; you will be conquered and ruled by the most powerful empire that desires your resources. It’s that simple all you have to do is see the world for what it is and not what you wish it to be.

By your comments, you seem to fail to think, comprehend, or argue your points using logical strategic planning. You’re all “up in your feels” about moral superiority which is highly subjective to individual interpretations and rarely reaches consensus. And it’s also not capable of crushing entire cultures under its boot heel and lording over them…

How bout you go back to your mediocre at best performance playing checkers and leave the geopolitical chess decisions to the smart guys…

Cankerpuss's avatar

Your entire post was a waste of my time to read.

Try to do better.

Inisfad's avatar

LOL…anyone protecting the UN is anything but smart….

Ben's avatar

We have an entire website with dozens of not very smart people all pretending they are the smartest people around.

Even a few claiming to have super secret US intelligence....yeah I know crazy.

Tenquid's avatar

Walk away. Not occupy. Occupation was the fundamental error in Afghanistan.

Cankerpuss's avatar

I'm on the side of how about we have fair and open trade with others and just leave them to resolve their own issues with their neighbors.

Vegan Shark's avatar

There is no sane reason for, and lots of reasons against, the US occupying another country. Even if the occupation can be maintained (by no means certain) it will be costly in human, financial and material resources and there are plenty of uses for those at home.

That's not to say we can't respond with force in those rare situations where a national government directly harms US citizens or property. We need to revive the 19th century idea of a punitive raid (in the most extreme cases): we go in, cause some strategic damage, arrest the responsible parties (but insofar as possible keep hands off ordinary civilians), and take our leave. The recipient of our spanking will get the message.

Cankerpuss's avatar

You're making some good sense here, Vegan. I like it.

Ben's avatar

Except Afghanistan had resources.

Poppies, Nat gas, oil, rare earth, gold, silver, copper and pipelines.

Why do you think the Russians spent years there until America sent the Taliban stinger missiles to take out the hind helicopters?

William Voelz's avatar

Ooooh. Cank. The US is an empire. Has been building since the first George sat in the Oval Office Hegemony economically, militarily, culturally and more toothbrushes than any nation on earth. The Constitution is shredded daily. A certain group of immigrants actually apply for and are granted boatloads of 501(c3) tax exempt certificates to fund their marvelous gated communities with their own police. Schools. Medical care. Houses of worship that double as arms caches. All that so their privileged people don’t come into contact with corrupt, evil and disgusting American culture. Aren’t we a generous people!! In view of the soon coming end of it all we should probably arm up. Better safe than sorry.

Inisfad's avatar

Just curious….would you not have killed Hitler?

Ben's avatar

I would rather have taken out Mad Mo the pedo prophet of Islam.

Ben's avatar

Go do some actual research and then get back to me.

Cankerpuss's avatar

Stupid question but I will answer just for shits and giggles.

I wasn't alive during Hitler's time. I was born in 1974.

However, if I were king of the world at the time I would not have entered World War 2 and certainly wouldn't have caused Japan to bomb Pearl Harbor.

HItler was Europe's problem. He never would have had the capability to invade or otherwise assault the USA.

John Watson's avatar

never met the man

Scott's avatar

A little history on Iran might be beneficial. I suggest watching Promethean updates on YT. Iran has been under the control of the London banksters for over a hundred years. This includes the Shah and the mullahs. What Trump is actually doing is breaking up the imperial system which is very much America first and will greatly help the Iranian people as well as the world at large. The Davos crowd was told that globalism is dead and the American system is back. Let's all get on board for the big win.

Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Are you agitating for the USA to kill it's and Israel's leaders? They are the problem, not Iran.

William Bogert's avatar

Move out, you f'ing troll.

Strange Bedfellow's avatar

Actually, that's a great idea for all the 'Zionists' around the world who are cheering on Israel, minus any of their skin in the game. Move out and into Israel. Fight your own battles.

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"The zionist state carpet-bombed civilian populations of Gaza and maimed and killed at least 50,000 children. Israel is the epitome of terrorist state that uses assassinations, pedophilic honey pots, and genocidal policies. All this while attacking the freedom of speech on university campuses and beyond and demanding 'special respect' for their holo-museums that "stand with Israel" and its genocidal policies.

Perhaps you need to ponder on the end of your victimhood card. It is Kaput. People have no respect for a tribe that has been exploiting the 'reparation' schema (established in 1948) while running ethnic cleansing in Palestine."

~ Anna, https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/iran-blinds-us-with-unprecedented/comment/224103447

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I wonder what Winnie The Pooh would have to say about 'pedophilic honey pots'.

Inisfad's avatar

Thank you for reminding me why I unsubbed from Simplicius. Israel was not ‘carpet bombing’ Gaza. It’s truly amazing how Jew hatred brings out the stupidity in people.

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

Yup, 100% of those reinforced concrete buildings just fell down by themselves. GMAFB

Night owl's avatar

The description is about as close as you will get to reality.

We all saw the videos, many were filmed in real time.

Tenquid's avatar

No, but it sounds like you are.

Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Are you dumb or just really stupid. Where did I write kill, anywhere, but you sure did. Those are the thoughts of a blood lust fool.

Strange Bedfellow's avatar

I have just requested that Tenquid block me too. Best to get a pre-emptive leg-up on any future war. 'u^

IGW's avatar

"I favor the Smoking Crater Solution. Kill the leaders, destroy their weapons, declare victory and walk away. .."

I'm not sure America deserves that hard a punishment. OTOH........

Casey Jones's avatar

In case y'all hadn't noticed, Washington is Different these days. (How many boots on the ground in Venezuela?)

Vegan Shark's avatar

With or without long-range missiles and nukes, Iran has what it needs to keep the Western world in a Strait-jacket.

GonzoDon's avatar

If only technology could devise some sort of alternative to the internal combustion engine, and figure out a way to harvest essentially inexhaustible solar and wind energy sources.

MarshaLouise's avatar

We have fossil fuels for one purpose and wind and sun for another. Let it continue to be as it was…I abhor the

“sustainable” do-gooders.

GonzoDon's avatar

Did you abhor Donald Trump when he stood on the front lawn of the White House, just about one year ago, and shilled enthusiastically for Tesla EVs in front of the assembled news media?

What a sustainable, do-gooder, woke freak, eh?

I wish the airhead right would just make up their damn minds

MarshaLouise's avatar

Donald Trump is courageous, ambitious, unruly, positive, resourceful, wealthy, and intelligent. He always has good reasons for everything he does. Witless and woke he is not. Now, measure yourself against these characteristics.

elysianfield's avatar

Gonzo,

Your statement was incomplete...If only technology could devise some sort of alternative to the internal combustion engine, and figure out a way to harvest essentially inexhaustible solar and wind energy sources.,,THAT WOULD SCALE.

Lugh's avatar

Biomass. Chop down all the fucking trees that make our lives so difficult with raking and what not. Now let them try guerilla war with no place to hide.

Ben's avatar
Mar 8Edited

They will just dig tunnels and hide under hospitals and schools like your hero's in Hamas.

GonzoDon's avatar

"For the first time, Texas' main power system looks set to generate more power from solar farms than coal plants during a calendar year in 2025, marking a key new energy transition milestone for the largest power network in the U.S.

"The Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) generated 2.64 million megawatt hours (MWh) of power from solar assets, compared with 2.44 million MWh of power from coal plants for the January-to-November period."

[Reuters]

Te Burt's avatar

There are forms of energy that were dismissed, suppressed and destroyed. Hydrogen-based (water) engine is periodically reinvented every 25 years, and abruptly disappears and the inventor is never heard from again. Tesla. The genius, not the car. The only reason electricity isn't free is because the other guy figured out how to charge for it. The list is long, and these are just historically obvious. There's magnetism. There's fission - somebody is building something to produce usable energy. Earth core thermal dynamics? Who/What is stopping development? Who benefits from suppression?

Lugh's avatar

The differential between the icy depths and warm surface ocean water in the tropics.

Hawaii has immense potential for geothermic energy, but the native don't want to insult the goddess so it has been vetoed.

Daithi's avatar

Not entirely. The big island has a geothermal power plant. Oahu doesn’t have enough ability as its volcanic activity has been dormant for a long time. Same with Kauai.

ann lewis's avatar

If I'm correct, Tesla's personal papers STILL have not been released.

The Cosmic Onion's avatar

Don, the irony is those alternatives already exist.

The sun pours more energy onto this planet every hour than humanity uses in a year. The challenge has never been the source — it’s been the systems built around controlling the flow of energy.

Solar and wind are part of the picture, but they are intermittent and infrastructure-heavy. The real breakthroughs are usually the ones that never quite make it out of the laboratory or the patent office.

Energy has never really been a physics problem.

It’s a power problem.

— Lone Wolf

Ron Anselmo's avatar

That thump, thump, thump you hear is Nikola Tesla spinning in his grave.

MarshaLouise's avatar

True. The blight on the earth’s surface made by devices which capture the power from wind and sun are things that should make every caring human feel disgust. The UN’s use of the word “sustainable” caught up far too many low-information people in their Agenda 2030 trap.

Lugh's avatar

The Northern Lights could power the world.

Vegan Shark's avatar

An alternative to the internal combustion engine exists, the EV, but despite the heavy hand of government subsidies and promotion it hasn't been a raging success with the public.

Lithium-ion super-batteries don't grow on trees. They have to be produced in energy-gulping factories and transported. Their range can be stingy for some uses, and replacement costs according to the website Recharged.com can range from around $6,000 to over $20,000 depending on the vehicle.

When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, don't succumb to alternative amore too soon.

GonzoDon's avatar

And yet Trump stood on the front lawn of the White House about one year ago shilling for Tesla EVs. Go figure.

TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH's avatar

EVs may have a great future... China is making some really fine ones... with much better battery tech...

American mfg is way behind... and the new Samsung battery might be even more of a game changer...

IF Trump's madness ends up causing $5-7 gallon gas... even more so.

MarshaLouise's avatar

He has his reasons. Learn to detect bias/prejudice in everything you hear and read.

JohnAZ's avatar

Because of one absolute truth, if you do not destroy the opposition, they will rise again. We seemed to have learned that with the two world wars as we forced government and cultural change on two countries. Those countries still are good allies. Then Korea, where war still boils away as a truce was the result. Truces never work and are a festering boil on the butt of the world. Then Vietnam, the exemplary example of a political war, run by a bunch of goons that did not understand that war is to be won at all costs. 58000 people died and all that happened was they got a very somber memorial on the Mall. Kuwait, win, win and win and then lose as politics ruined the day. Iraq, get Hussein and then what, we are still there as nothing has congealed a government yet. Libya, no idea what the goal there was, as Khadafi had actually started being a frenemy. The Afghanistan, not as many killed, but a bigger fiasco than Vietnam. 20 years of maintaining a facade of domination that was undone in days by the guys we should have destroyed in the first place.

Now Iran, the latest sucker play by the MIC. They do not want total victory, taking out the military of Iran and setting up peace in the Gulf world. They want a shooting war, a war of attrition, where no one wins except the MIC. The correct path, IMO, is the destruction of the entire radical wing of Iran and the forced replacement of the government with the tenets of our bill of rights and balance of power integral to the new country. Religious freedom replacing radical Shia Islam with all other religions tolerated. Internal military suppressed down to a police force. A Supreme Court to be the moral judge of the country and a legislature that represents the people, makes wise laws, and stops totalitarianism. Take the US Constitution and change the name of the country. Then shove it down the throats of the people of Iran.

If there is not unconditional surrender and replacement of the current rulers with a legitimate government, the war is a waste of resources and lives. From where we are today, first is destruction of the remaining 40% of missiles and drones, protection of the Straits of Hormuz, disbanding of the Iranian army with replacement by a police force, institution of a U.S based Constitution, religious freedom enforce with the law, re-in statement of the Shahs son into an elder statesman position, but like all royalty, little power. Institution of a mostly capitalistic economy based on petroleum now, but encouraged to diversify. Signing up to and allegiance to the Abraham Accords is a necessity to quell any more religious bullshit from another bunch of Shia nuts. The Gulf must be pacified for the good of the world, even China. The Middle East itself needs to work together to “green up “the desert and diversify their economies. They have a master of that, Israel, in their midst.

The first step, destruction of the military of the Iranian nutcases is just starting now. The pacification of a disarmed Iran has to be the ultimate goal. I hope that the US and their friends in the Gulf have the sense to drive to that goal instead of some political half-way bullshit as has happened so many times before.

The Cosmic Onion's avatar

John, history suggests something a little more complicated.

The United States has demonstrated many times that it can destroy armies. That part is not the hard part. The hard part is what comes the day after the bombs stop falling.

Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya all showed the same lesson: removing a government does not mean you can engineer a civilization.

Cultures, histories, and belief systems are not software updates that can be installed with a constitution and a ballot box.

Sometimes the assumption that we can remake entire nations in our own image creates more chaos than the regimes we removed in the first place.

— Lone Wolf

Lugh's avatar

93 million people in nation the size of Alaska. It's not going to happen. No Normandy beach even if wanted to try. The mountain are right up the sea with countless places to use portable launchers to take out ships and planes.

JohnAZ's avatar

Yup, hence my admonition that war is not won until the opposition is destroyed, unable to return.

Cankerpuss's avatar

Even if we are the aggressors JohnAZ?

JohnAZ's avatar

Your sense is leaving you as you are being Dennised. Who exactly has 2000 missiles and is building more. Who exactly is running out of water for its people as it just keeps building munitions to attack other countries around it and maybe the USA? Who has killed thousands of Americans around the Gulf region over the years? Who has declared “Death to America”? How many times has the USA sent unprovoked missiles into Iran?

Your anti-America bias is blinding you to the truth.

Cankerpuss's avatar

On the contrary, JohnAZ, I am more pro America than most pro-war people on this thread today. I am opposed to wasting America's resources making war in foreign lands when America herself is crumbling under illegal immigration and blighted infrastructure. I believe American resources should be for the good of America, not the good of the rest of the world or Israel. I believe America's soldiers should be here at home protecting us from the millions of military aged unvetted illegal aliens who have deposited themselves here rather than making war in shithole places like Syria and Iran. I think that makes me more pro America than any of you who are pounding the drums of war. I have a strong anti-war bias but I am all pro America at my core. America. The 50 states. The people. Not the American military-industrial complex, the American military, or the American government in DC which, apparently, you are 100% in support of.

Very disappointing, JohnAZ.

Has Iran really killed thousands of Americans around the gul region, John AZ?

How many times has Iran send unprovoked missiles into the USA?

If Iranian ships were hanging about in the Gulf of Mexico, I suppose you'd be okay with the USA lobbing missiles at their ships. But heaven forbid Iran have a little discomfort with America's might warships hanging out in the Gulf of Hormuz. We have a right to be there dammit!

$38 TRILLION and counting JohnAZ. How much more debt do you think we can pile on to continue funding all these foreign military bases and wars?

Lugh's avatar

Yes, as Deuteronomy says, kill all who breathe in the land that God has given you. And has he not given them the whole world? Forget that New Testament shit.

Huckabee isn't Christian or American, he's something else. Nor is he Jewish or Israeli. He's some kind of in between thing despised by both.

Cosmo T Kat's avatar

You are correct, Lugh.

TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH's avatar

maybe you can help...

Was Iran an "imminent threat" to the US?

Nope. So was it not illegal for Trump to make war on a country without congressional authorization?

And what were his reasons to attack a country that was not a threat?

JohnAZ's avatar

Yes, it was. The missile ranges being developed would have reached the USA and Europe. As frustrating as it is, Europe is still our protectorate as is Saudi Arabia. Iran was setting up to attack the entire Gulf area as is being shown now with its attacks everywhere. It was brewing trouble with its proxies in Lebanon, Afghanistan, Yemen, Gaza. It was a war machine that was too cowardly to fight its own wars, which were everywhere.

Legally, we have defense obligations with Saudi Arabia, Israel, NATO, and other Gulf countries. All passed as treaties by the Senate in the past.

With the war powers act, used by Reagan, both Bushes, Clinton, Obama, Carter, he had the right to do war, passed to the executive by the Congress.

Lugh's avatar

By that logic everyone is a threat including Israel who has made countless threats and made good a number of them against us.

TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH's avatar

You are lying again... or at least laughably spinning.

"Iran was setting up to attack the entire Gulf area as is being shown now with its attacks everywhere."

That's called preparing to be attacked... and they retaliated by attacking countries that were US allies and involved in teh UNPROVOKED, ILLEGAL attack that they knew was coming...

Your ignorance again is obvious... there needed to be an IMMINENT threat for Trump to act unilaterally (against the will of 80% of America).

There was none and please don't debase yourself further by claiming there was.

dbriz's avatar

“There was none and please don't debase yourself further by claiming there was.”

Asking nice will do no good. These folks do not go off script.

Strange Bedfellow's avatar

~ The Iron Grips Of The State & Religion ~

The State appears as a religion, and I'd have no problem with it if it wasn't forcefully impositional. That's one of the main things that people just can't seem to wrap their heads around. Because they've been suitably indoctrinated. Think mandatory public schooling or state-conforming media for but two examples.

The State-as-a-religion-- it may actually conform to a strict definition of a religion, I've looked into it-- may explain the similarity to the near-impossibility of bringing people outside their own religious headspaces/fanaticisms...

If only to free oneself from their iron grips.

(This dovetails very well with the [at minimum, amplified state-religion duality] problem of Israel by the way.)

KevinM's avatar

Will when that fella stands in Your front yard with a shotgun do you shoot first or let him have the first crack?You act like you might have some inside military intel that we do not?or you just regurgitating CNN.....

"Your ignorance again is obvious... there needed to be an IMMINENT threat for Trump to act unilaterally (against the will of 80% of America)."

Even CNN doesn't have 80% BS speak methinks

YouGov 34 44 −10

Reuters/Ipsos 27 43 −16

CNN/SSRS 41 59 −18

Fox News. 50 50 0

Washton Post 39 52 −13

YouGov 37 48 −11

YouGov/mist 32 45

NBC News 41 54 −13

Average 38 49 −12

Strange Bedfellow's avatar

"Will when that fella stands in Your front yard with a shotgun do you shoot first or let him have the first crack?" ~ KevinM

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What is he doing in your front yard with a shotgun in the first place? Maybe we are asking the wrong questions sometimes.

TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH's avatar

Like your brain and your breath.

What did I post that was untrue, eunuch loser?

Cankerpuss's avatar

But still contrary to the Constitution, JohnAZ. The Constitution was never amended granting war powers to the Presidency. This is where the SCOTUS has failed. A SCOTUS that understands its role would have interpreted the War Powers Act as clearly Unconstitutional and sent it back to Congress to be fixed or stricken.

JohnAZ's avatar

But they didn’t.

If the Congress contained only people that could keep their mouths shut, a debate could go on where the CInC could discuss the need for war and get a good hearing. In our world, the Congress would do anything to sabotage the military, and the leaks would be a torrent. So how do you protect the military from that, security before surprise attacks is paramount. Lives are saved by NOT telling the Congress anything.

Today, especially, almost half of our Congress are traitors, who would sell their mother, let alone their country, for a vote. It is a pathetic picture, IMO.

Cankerpuss's avatar

The Constitution is still the law of the land, even if we no longer want to abide by it. Making excuses for Congress or the SCOTUS doesn't absolve them of their dereliction of their oaths and duties.

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

Could not disagree more, John.

You are the PROBLEM.

You Yank nutcases have not learnt anything since WW2

Every war you start ends in chaos ~ for everybody. Even yourselves!

The War Powers Act was a sham passed by neocon nutcase warmongers.

NO MORE YANKY WARS. YANKY GO HOME

Cankerpuss's avatar

I am with you 100% on this one DM. There is a reason why America is despised, hated and called the "Great Satan" throughout the world. This isn't because the USA was at one time a wealthy nation and they were jealous of us.

JohnAZ's avatar

You all make me laugh. This world would blow itself apart in a decade if the USA was not the enforcer. Russia and China too. Do you really think that this war was started with China and Russia not being informed and signed up. The world wants Iran dealt with, and a genuine government installed so that everyone can get back to business.

Cankerpuss's avatar

I think the world would go along just as it did prior to the USA becoming a powerful nation. Humanity has existed for what, 8,000 years without a USA? No, it hasn't been perfect and full of war and tyranny, but humanity has persisted. The world will continue to go on with out the USA being the enforcer. The USA can no longer afford to be the enforcer, JohnAZ. I know you know this which is why your pro war stance surprises me.

Ben's avatar
Mar 6Edited

Two hundred fifty years ago it took months to go around the world not hours.

There were no nukes, bunker buster bombs, Air craft carriers, semtex explosives, wmd, bioweapons, "smart phones", AI, SUMMIT, crispr, internet, ask the imam, and brain-dead people who thought they had all the answers because they read it on the internet.

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

There is a reason that most countries polled in December 2013 by Gallup called the United States the greatest threat to peace in the world, and why Pew found that viewpoint increased in 2017.

This eludes that strain of US folks like JohnAZ who define war as something that nations and groups other than the United States do.

Te Burt's avatar

My concern is that chaos often results in the insane, looking like law and order, will reassert control over a people (a LOT of women and children who are concerned about survival and safe sleeping quarters, as usual) are caught up in everybody else's (men with an over abundance of testosterone and/or rage and/or insanity) goals. A force just to restore order and safety, forget about peace, rationality or anything resembling law, would prevent a lot of wasted effort and resources -- and death.

Cankerpuss's avatar

One word. Libya.

Libya was at one time the most prosperous country on the African continent. Under Gaddafi it had an economic engine, a high human development index rating and was even leading a movement to create a United States of Africa and create a currency based on gold. Then the USA engineered Gaddafi's overthrow, killed him, and left Libya to the tribes and warlords. Now the nation is a mess in perpetual state of civil war and chaos. Gaddafi may have been a bad dude but he had the ability and the force to quell the bickering and fighting amongst the many tribes and foment a nation. Here comes the good ole USA and filthy fuckers like Hillary Clinton who dismantle it the name of "spreading democracy" and leaves the place far worse than when they found it.

It is no surprise the world by and large hates the USA.

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

Keep going CP.

You are on a roll of Truth today, young man!

A truth that more and more young Americans are awakening to.

The US is becoming a pariah on the World Stage.

Young Americans want the decaying US cleaned up first ~ not Iran.

NO MORE MONEY TO THE ETHNOSUPREMACIST APARTHEID STATE OF ISRAEL.

Cankerpuss's avatar

Absolute Amen. No more war. No more wasting our resources in foreign lands while our home land crumbles from neglect. I'm sick of this shit.

ann lewis's avatar

So who is going to fix it? Is there any hope for a candidate(s) who makes this a priority? I'm not holding my breath.

Cankerpuss's avatar

If our useless EFFING Congress would pass the SAVE act and return integrity to our elections we might find ourselves a good candidate. As long as the elections remain in the state they currently are in, nothing is going to change.

Strange Bedfellow's avatar

Iran Blinds US With Unprecedented Campaign of Strikes on Region's Strategic Radars

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/iran-blinds-us-with-unprecedented

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"The biggest buzz of the day came from Iranian FM Araghchi’s interview with NBC, wherein he stunned the slack-jawed presstitute by calmly asserting that Iran welcomes a US ground invasion in a must-see exchange:

The presstitute blinks in total vacuity at the unprecedented chutzpah—he’s used to slave nations who bend over for the empire.

And note Araghchi’s demurral at the question about what aid China and Russia are providing. This has become a key focus of online discussion given that an avalanche of new satellite intel has revealed shocking region-wide damage that Iran has done to US’s most priceless assets, which—it would seem—could only have come by way of major Chinese and Russian help.

In particular, NYT and other outlets have now confirmed total attrition of US’s irreplaceable AN/TPY-2 radars meant for THAAD and other high end systems. This radar has an upwards of $1 billion dollar price tag and numbers only in the dozen range total. Only one or two units of these can be built per year at the very most. Iran just potentially destroyed 50% or more of the US’s entire global stock of this rare and irreplaceable system.

New satellite imagery released by Airbus confirms that the AN/TPY-2 THAAD radar at Muwaffaq Salti Base in Jordan was destroyed by Iran.

The U.S. openly denied this...

[...]

The shock of the outcome cannot be understated: Iran is literally blinding the US in the region. And following that, it is launching its most advanced hypersonic Khorramshahr-4—also known as the Kheybar—ballistic missiles at Israel, which are now impervious to interdiction. They are said to release upwards of 80 submunitions in a tight pattern.

Footage showed what appears to be the missile arriving in Tel Aviv, where widespread damage is now being reported in spite of Israeli authorities heavily banning and punishing the distribution of any post-strike videos to keep society from learning the extent of the damage."

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(rest of article at above link)

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Multipolar world.

Lugh's avatar

Their very existence is a threat. They must be neutered as a people, castrated, both literally and metaphorically.

Cersei Lannister: Our enemies are basically anybody who isn't us. Read the Old Testament for more about this. Exact instructions are given.

MarshaLouise's avatar

Has Trump indicated he wants, or will approve of “boots on the ground”? I have not heard that.

Cankerpuss's avatar

Yeah, because the USA did so well when our troops were in that toilet bowl known as Afghanistan.

TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH's avatar

That would be insane and our troops would be slaughtered.

IF they even were able to get into the country.

Paul B. Cohen's avatar

He didn’t rule that out, which is wise. The message was, we’re not going to be restrained by our enemies foreign or domestic in accomplishing the goal of unconditional surrender. That mindset declared openly to the world is the best way to ensure there will not be the need for “boots on the ground,” which is how the President sees things.

Surprised Jim missed this.

Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Are you signing up to fight, Cohen?

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

Exactly - Cohen is just another delusional warmonger!

Had his nose stuck in those old books for too long.

I Samuel 15

God's Command: The Lord instructs Saul to attack the Amalekites and destroy all their possessions, emphasizing the need for complete destruction without sparing anything.

"Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.”

Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Yes, those books of murder and mayhem from their god of vengeance.

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

Cosmo, theists don’t deal with reality over emotion. They argue to satisfy their fears.

Arguing with a theist is letting them know they will die. They treat it like a death threat.

They’re fear driven, not fact driven.

Strange Bedfellow's avatar

Crickets from Cohen. (so far)

Strange Bedfellow's avatar

In one of the video clips at this link; https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/iran-blinds-us-with-unprecedented, Iran's Foreign Minister says, in these words more or less, 'Let them come, we are ready.'.

The Cosmic Onion's avatar

Trump, Trump... Where have I heard that name?

Ben's avatar

He doesn't need to they are already there in the form of special forces and outside fighters.

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

The United States has “special forces” operating in two-thirds of the world’s countries and non-special forces in three-quarters of them.

The U.S. government provides weapons, military training, and/or military funding to almost every dictatorship and oppressive government on earth.

https://davidswanson.org/20dictators/

Cankerpuss's avatar

$38 trillion and counting, DM and nobody gives a shit.

MarshaLouise's avatar

You’re probably right on that.

The Illusion Of Human Progress's avatar

Once again, you are incredibly out of touch James. Where do you get your news, NYT? Haven’t you read that Mossad agents were arrested in Saudi Arabia for attempting to blow some things up there? It is psychopathic Israel planting some false flags, not Iran. I don’t know who is winning the war, it is tough with all the propaganda from both sides. However,I find myself hoping Iran kicks our barbaric asses into the Stone Age. 167 Iranian schoolgirls blown to smithereens. The psychos behind this war must be very proud.

Roger Kimber, MD's avatar

Troll. Those school children died from an Iranian misfire.

Skenny's avatar

Stunning that so many share the hope that Iran kicks our ass. Mr. Kunstler exposes a lot of traitors. He must be stepping on some big, sensitive toes.

Phil Denter's avatar

Why is that "stunning"? Let me remind you:

Here is a list of the countries bombed and/or invaded by the United States from the end of WW II to present:

Afghanistan 1998, 2001-2021/Bosnia 1994, 1995/Cambodia 1969-70/China 1945-46/Colombia 2025/Congo 1964/Cuba 1959-1961/El Salvador 1980s/Germany(Nordstream) 2022/Grenada 1983/Guatemala 1954, 1960, 1967-69/Indonesia 1958/Iran 1987, 2025-26/Iraq 1991-2000s, 2015-/Korea 1950-53/Kuwait 1991/Laos 1964-73/Lebanon 1983, 1984/Libya 1986, 2011-/Nicaragua 1980s/Nigeria 2025/Pakistan 2003, 2006-/Palestine 2010, 2023-/Panama 1989-90/Peru 1965/Somalia 1993, 2007-08, 2010-/Sudan 1998/Syria 2014-/Trinidad & Tobago 2025/Venezuela 2026/Vietnam 1961-75/Yemen 2002, 2009-/Yugoslavia 1999

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"What goes around comes around."

"Up your nose with a rubber hose."

"You bomb me then I'll bomb you."

Skenny's avatar

# 1 - Not sure why anyone wants to be on a losing team.

# 2 - It's stunning that anyone would support the other side when their laws and culture support things like child marriage.

"Child marriage continues to be permitted under Iranian law. The legal minimum age for marriage is 13 years old for girls and 15 years old for boys, though girls who have reached the age of legal majority, 9 “lunar years” (about 8 years old and 9 months), can be married with parental consent and court approval. As a result, 9 lunar year old married girls and older are also subject to the laws governing women and girls’ lives in marriage, including Civil Code Article 1108’s obligation to fulfill the sexual needs of their husbands. With the permission of the court, the legal guardian has the right to marry for, and on behalf of, a minor daughter – legally sanctioning forced marriage." Source: Impactiran.org

It's one thing to be against the war. It's another to hope the US is conquered by a bunch of Ayatollahs who condone sex with 9 year olds.

Phil Denter's avatar

Take a look at the list that I provided. The USA is usually the "losing team" when it sticks its nose in where it doesn't belong.

You've confused what "support" even means, Skenny.

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I support the Founding Fathers. They sagely advised for America to befriend all, trade with all and stay the fuck out of foreign wars.

Pretty simple, really.

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It is not the USA's mandate to "fix" the other 200 countries on earth. Mind your own freaking bee's wax, already! D'uh!

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The West is run by sickos raping, killing and eating 9 year-olds, hypocrite.

Skenny's avatar

I'm against sex with 9 year olds, East, West, North or South. Where's the hypocrisy?

You're obviously not alone in hoping Iran prevails. The MSM, many members of Congress, and what seems to me a stunning number of commenters are right there with you.

Cankerpuss's avatar

"I support the Founding Fathers. They sagely advised for America to befriend all, trade with all and stay the fuck out of foreign wars."

Gorgeous George Washington said this very thing in his farewell address. Well, except for the "fuck" part. Was fuck even a word in Washington's days? If it was he never used it. I need to stop using it. It doesn't serve me well.

Great post, sir and I agree with you 105% +

Mike Simmons's avatar

Troll-level, a new low for Phil.

JT's avatar
Mar 7Edited

I find it humorous when you people mention muzzies marrying young girls while our entire government is blackmailed by child abusing jewish psychopaths. Is it chutzpah or is the narrative failing and your desperate?

I find it equally humorous when you try to steer the narrative into some red vs blue camp as if the goyim are just a bunch of retarded niggers.

The gig is up.

You realize that blind support of clown world is direct support of child raping and eating jews? Or are you worried that a collapse will no longer allow you to engage in unfettered sodomy and/or pedophilia? Be honest. It’s fine.

Btw your rhetoric is garbage.

Skenny's avatar

J - T? Is that you, Jawad Tehrani?

Martillo's avatar

Coming from a supporter of the ZionaZi regime and its Mossad Epstein Wexner Rothschild child porn and sacrifice that gave me a laugh. Don't forget the Pentacon mob raping children in Afghanistan or hadn't you heard? The hypocrisy is astounding when it comes to demonic worship and the rights of the chosen to slaughter ad nauseam. How long more do you imagine the 6 Zillion gassed Jews will fly?

Skenny's avatar

"Well, y'all do it too, so it's OK for us" is the best defense you can come up with for raping children?

spingerah's avatar

It wasn't American soldiers raping children in Afghanistan.

It was/is the Afghanis themselves.

Bacha bazi is their thing.

Some cultures should be annihilated.

Cankerpuss's avatar

And how many times have all those nations invaded or bombed the USA or the USA's territories?

Crickets.

dancingtime's avatar

You're just as much an idiot on this Substack as you are on C&C...geez..

Phil Denter's avatar

This is my home turf. I'm new over at C&C but have been posting on JHK's CFN for years.

Welcome!

Mike Simmons's avatar

It appears Phil can't distinguish an apple from an orange.

There are stark differences between Iran and all those other adventures. Foremost, Iran is run by a suicidal death cult hell-bent on obtaining nuclear weapons. Next, they have worked steadfastly to genocide the nation of Israel. As well, they routinely murder thousands of their own citizens who dare speak in opposition to the holy mullahs.

The conflict with Iran is already a forever war, ongoing for half a century, featuring mass terror attacks, multiple attempts to assassinate US presidents, and thousands of U.S. service members killed or maimed by their explosively formed projectiles in Iraq.

Is your solution to channel Neville Chamberlain as the Iran problem continues to ripen by doing nothing? Something else? Please enlighten us.

Martillo's avatar

The traitors are the ZionaZi Firsters like yourself, sir.

Lars's avatar

US nazi boots on other's ground killed 38 millions.

Howard Skillington's avatar

You have just raised the bar for odious lies, Roger. The stench of your presence emanates from my monitor, just looking at it.

rural counsel's avatar

The Iranians already admitted it was their own missile.

JohnAZ's avatar

To the America haters, it makes no difference. No matter what the real story is, it is the American and Israeli fault.

Cosmo T Kat's avatar

The only America haters I know are progressives, Zionists, and illegal immigrants who haven't got their free stuff yet. The rest love this country, but despise the Predator Class.

Phil Denter's avatar

To Lil Trumpsters, it makes no difference. No matter what the real story is, it is never the American and Israeli fault.

spingerah's avatar

And to you everything is always America fault?

Personally I despize religious zealots of every stripe.

That includes anyone that claims special favor of "god"

That includes the Israeli and Iranian governments.

Horace the Menace's avatar

Even wikipedia does not agree with you here. It refers to this assertion as claims by the Iranian opposition which have been debunked.

"Following the attack, Israeli and Iranian pro-Monarchist opposition pages began disseminating information that the airstrike was a failed IRGC interception. These claims originated from associated Telegram channels and were debunked.[29][17] The New York Times noted that "a single errant missile wouldn't have caused such precise and targeted damage to several buildings across the naval base."[1] It was also falsely claimed on the social media website X that the IRGC had admitted to mistakenly destroying the school in a missile airstrike, despite the fact that no such statement admitting responsibility had been made by the Iranian state.[30] Other social media accounts claimed the footage was supposedly old footage shot in Pakistan, which has been debunked.[10]"

When wikipedia blames the US, then my guess is it's almost certainly the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_airstrike?ysclid=mmf2sogngz570109469

Roger Kimber, MD's avatar

Even Wikipedia????, 🤣LOL

EK MtnTime's avatar

Wikipedia is controlled by the same TDS folks who run the MSM. I can’t even trust Wikipedia to tell me the truth about Ancient Rome!

TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH's avatar

"MD"?

Come on, you have to be smarter than that.

Martillo's avatar

Wikipedo???? Ever heard of the purveyor of fine filth and early days internet porn king, Jimbo Wales, a nice Jewish boy? Quoting Wikipedo is like quoting Jeffy Epstein on teen advice or raising children or Mossad on living in peace with your neighbors.

Horace the Menace's avatar

I entirely agree with you about wikipedia , hence the "even" in my comment.

However there is also a reason why evidence against interest is attached special weight in law. In this case I believe that wikipedia's natural deep state controlled interest would be to claim that the damage was caused by an Iranian missile - hence the value of their confession that it was not.

On top of that the logic of the article actually seems reasonable too - and you can check the facts that they state regarding the various sources for the Iranian missile rumor.

Mike Simmons's avatar

Human shield effect: Maybe don't build schools adjacent to an IRGC compound.

Mike Simmons's avatar

I looked up Wikipedia on Google and the response to the query was "Did you mean propaganda?"

Don't take my word for it. From one of the Wikipedia founders:

https://larrysanger.org/2023/06/how-wikipedia-smears-conservatives/

Horace the Menace's avatar

I'm well aware - see my other comment regarding in the value of evidence against interest.

Phil Denter's avatar

Source please.

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That's weird because The New York Times reported on the incident just yesterday. They never once mentioned that "the Iranians already admitted it was their own missile" so I guess that you know way more about than does the NYT. 🙄

Roger Kimber, MD's avatar

The NYT stopped being a reliable source a decade ago.

EK MtnTime's avatar

Willful blindness driven by TDS.

TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH's avatar

Everyone's a liar but you, right?

You are embarrassing yourself.

Phil Denter's avatar

Uhhh ... they are still reliable enough to include your claimed Iranian admission if it were true, Roge.

You either made this up or heard it from so credibility-lacking Lil Trumpster. You know it and I know it.

If you actually did have a reliable;e source for your ridiculously stupid claim, I'd have it by now.

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Go accept your defeat and learn from it. You know? Like a man.

Mike Simmons's avatar

The NY Slimes? They're as neutral and unbiased as the Washington comPost. Phil's TDS is really showing, or he's just low IQ (not mutually exclusive).

Strange Bedfellow's avatar

"Was it the Iranian's own missile that killed the school girls?" ~ Strange Bedfellow

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"No, there is no credible evidence that an Iranian missile caused the school attack.

Multiple investigations, including from The New York Times, BBC Verify, Al Jazeera, and Snopes, have debunked claims that a misfired Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) missile struck the school. The most widely shared image purportedly showing a failed IRGC missile was geolocated to Zanjan, over 800 miles away from Minab, and analyzed as unrelated to the incident.

Instead, satellite imagery and verified video footage indicate the school and a nearby IRGC naval base were hit by multiple simultaneous or near-simultaneous strikes, likely from air-delivered munitions. Experts, including Jenzen-Jones of Armament Research Services, concluded the damage pattern was inconsistent with a small warhead from a surface-to-air missile, which would not cause such extensive destruction.

While Iran accused the U.S. and Israel of carrying out the attack, and investigations by The New York Times and Reuters point to likely U.S. responsibility, neither country has officially claimed the strike. The U.S. Central Command confirmed it is investigating reports of civilian casualties.

The attack, which killed 165 people (mostly girls aged 7–12), has been condemned by UNESCO, the UN human rights experts, and global human rights organizations as a grave violation of international humanitarian law."

~ Brave search consolidated results quote

rural counsel's avatar

If only there were matching concerns for the 30,000 murdered Iranians protesting the Islamic regime. But that would be asking too much from the hypocritical Left.

Strange Bedfellow's avatar

I have heard that that number isn't correct, but also that the protests were amplified-- i.e., red flagged. How could they not be?

You already know that Iran, as a very big, diverse country, with varied topography and many surrounding countries and waterways, is easily infiltrated, right?, and that their leaders have already been targeted and assassinated?

Speaking of which, I don't recognize you. You seem new here. And with an Israel bias.

Horace the Menace's avatar

FWIW I am definitely not "from the left", and I suspect other commenters who share my view regarding the likely source of the damage to the school are also not from the left.

Our point - or at least my point - is not to defend the existing Iranian regime or whitewash their crimes. I most certainly feel sympathy for their victims and have concerns over their actions.

However it is perfectly reasonable to point out that two wrongs do not make a right.

I would further note that my own view is that the Iranian regime is riddled with freemasons and a controlled puppet of the west (or rather the Rothschild mafia who also control the west) - and this whole situation is a Machiavellian drama of the most perfidious order which features no "good guys" on either side, just a great many victims on both sides.

rural counsel's avatar

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/what-we-know-about-the-strike-on-an-iranian-girls-school.html

As of yesterday, it was still under investigation.

Secretary of State Marco Rubio referred reporters to the Department of Defense. “The Department of War would be investigating that if that was our strike,” he said. “The United States would not deliberately target a school. Our objectives are missiles — both the ability to manufacture them and the ability to launch them — and the one-way attack drones. That would be our focus. That’s what we would be focused on. We would have no interest and, frankly, no incentive, to target civilian infrastructure.”

So at worst, accidental collateral damage. Regrettable but to be expected with as much high explosive munitions being expended.

Strange Bedfellow's avatar

Looks like you're astroturfing for Israel. Wrong side of history, but history of course is fraught with wrong sides.

Horace the Menace's avatar

Ah - collateral damage. Regrettable. We had to murder the schoolgirls - but it's OK - it's for the greater good you understand.

That is Satan's ethical system, not Christ's.

PS Also - this is not the "at worst" possible interpretation. At worst, this was a deliberate ploy to guarantee a longer and more destructive war.

TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH's avatar

Jesus, I would hate to be a patient of yours... imbecilic, craven... pathetic.

Go back to doing colonoscopies on fat ladies.

Phil Denter's avatar

Credibility = zero.

Nakayama's avatar

Actually it is difficult to tell. AD missiles typically carry much smaller payload than incoming missile. From satellite imaging, it could be difficult to discern the boundary between a military compound and another entity nearby. I consider such casualty unfortunate collaterals in war because what had actually happened is difficult to track down unless wrecked pieces can be obtained and analyzed. If Iranians want to be serious, they have the technical capability to do so.

JohnAZ's avatar

??? The Iranians admitted that their missile misfired. No more explanation is needed.

The American-Israeli side uses precision bombing to eradicate the military of Iran. Iran just throws out lousy guided missiles, to hit someplace, civilians, women, children. Israel knocks down more than 80% of them with Iron Dome. It could very well be that all these missiles that hit Gulf states are misfires? As an agent of war, missiles suck, that will be a lesson from this war.

Phil Denter's avatar

Are you sure, John?

I mean, The New York Times reported on this incident just yesterday but made no mention of this supposed Iranian admission.

Analysis Suggests School Was Hit Amid U.S. Strikes on Iranian Naval Base

The Feb. 28 school strike in Minab, which killed dozens, including children, appears to have been part of an attack on an adjacent naval base in southern Iran, where officials said U.S. forces were operating.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/05/world/middleeast/iran-school-us-strikes-naval-base.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Q1A.KNGH.AeazjGRqxQeY&smid=url-share

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Please provide your source for your claim that the Iranians admitted doing this carnage to their own little girls.

TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH's avatar

Little Johnny has been known to spout lies, from time to time.

(24/7)

Horace the Menace's avatar

This is not true. The Iranians have made no such admission.

Full discussion here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_airstrike?ysclid=mmf2sogngz570109469

US almost certainly to blame.

Roger Kimber, MD's avatar

Iranian state media & Wikipedia are your sources??? 😂

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

JohnAZ is not interested in the truth, Horace.

Every sentence in this post is a lie.

The Iron Dome is a failure ~ now bankrupting the Zionists.

NO MORE WARS FOR ISRAEL.

Horace the Menace's avatar

I prefer to believe the best of everyone. And if even if JohnAZ were not interested in the truth today, that would not preclude a change of heart.

Lugh's avatar

The Iron Dome is inferior. Iran is hitting Israel at will at this point. Tel Aviv is burning but you don't care.

The Israelis despise you people but they also fear you. They know you don't care about them, but only your precious prophecies.

Ben's avatar

One could take the lesson of Russian glide bombs that fall in Russia at a very high rate instead of Ukraine.

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

You are so tiresome, my friend.

Ben's avatar

So, you're a Russian fan boy who know.

Makes sense a dried up old commie left behind and bitter.

P.S. We are not friends go buy that handle and suck down some sauce.

Anne Emerson Hall's avatar

The school was in a building that was once within the military compound. I find it remarkable that observers demand perfection from others, and wonder if they have achieved it in their own professional and personal endeavors.

Phil Denter's avatar

Of course not. He read it from some other poster on some other Lil Trumpsters' blog and swallowed it whole because it tasted so good.

Once a Lil Trumpster gains a hankering for bullshit, it's hard to get them to even consider a platte of real food.

Phil Denter's avatar

I'm doing just that. Still no source while The New York Times reported on the incident just yesterday with no mention of your "inside scoop." 🤣

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Analysis Suggests School Was Hit Amid U.S. Strikes on Iranian Naval Base

The Feb. 28 school strike in Minab, which killed dozens, including children, appears to have been part of an attack on an adjacent naval base in southern Iran, where officials said U.S. forces were operating.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/05/world/middleeast/iran-school-us-strikes-naval-base.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Q1A.KNGH.AeazjGRqxQeY&smid=url-share

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FYI - It is YOUR responsibility to provide YOUR source(s) to back YOUR claims. That's how published research works.

Roger Kimber, MD's avatar

Uh sub stack is notpublished research, GFYS, traitor.

Phil Denter's avatar

Uhhh ... of course it is.

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Regardless, you make this bold claim. Surely you did not fabricate it from whole cloth ... so, simply provide your source so that we may measure your accuracy and, thus, your credibility.

TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH's avatar

Quit stalling and provide YOUR source... or STFU.

Martillo's avatar

Apparently the Iranians were the ones who reduced Gaza to a bombed slaughterhouse with hundreds of thousands dead. They say that the Jews wanted to protect the Palestinians but the Iranians just slaughtered them all and then bulldoZed them under the rubble. Imagine that!

TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH's avatar

That's simply not true.

No need to lie.

Roger Kimber, MD's avatar

I don’t care, Margaret.

TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH's avatar

You seem to be a coward as well as a liar.

Bad way to go through life.

Douglas's avatar

Wow, and 47 likes. Shit load of trolls so you know something is up. They are like flies so this must be shit. lol

Martillo's avatar

Apparently twaZ the Iranians that turned Gaza to rubble and slaughtered all those squatters on Cho$en land. Makes cent$...really it does, if you are a ZionaZi apologist.

Withnail's avatar

Not according to the New York Times.

Charles Wemyss, Jr.'s avatar

Master Sargent Roy Edwards, USMC, KIA, 23 October, 1983, Beirut, Lebanon. One of my Gunnery Sargents, one of my colleagues, a brother in arms, and awarded the Navy Commendation Medal with “V” device, for actions at another shit hole called Khe Sanh. The leader of the pack that blew up the barracks, the former supreme leader of IRI, who was the master mind behind the two efforts to take over the US embassy in Teheran in February, (unsuccessfully) and again successfully in November of 1979. 52 American “diplomats” lost their civil rights for 444 days. Seems the international community and our own Kennedy C team department of state couldn’t communicate with a direct descendant of the Prophet Mohammad. Pay back is a MF’er. That said, perhaps we will now be kicked out of the region, told to go fly our kite elsewhere. Then we can leave the whole miserable shit hole to those that reside there. There is nothing like 2000 plus years of angry nomadic clans roaming freely and then finding they now have borders, that an Englishman and Frenchman put on a map 110 years ago, and are now “nation states” sure they are…with countless ancient scores to settle what could possibly go wrong. As to barbaric, sure, we lop off heads here regularly, beat our wives, rape boys and girls in the name of the Prophet, yep we see that every day here. Well, actually it is coming to a country near you, Western Europe is toast and Mark Carney seeing a chance to bank another couple of billion for himself is on the immigration gravy train, see you later Canada, no one is standing on guard for thee. So, don’t ask us for any help when it goes pear shaped we have enough to deal with here.

Cankerpuss's avatar

"Then we can leave the whole miserable shit hole to those that reside there."

Excellent post, Charles, love your writing style. I could not say it any better. I'm so sick of the USA spending its strength and means warring in foreign lands that pose no threat to the USA. What do we care if the people of Iran are living under oppression? I don't care.

Horace the Menace's avatar

I do care actually. I would much rather they were not living under oppression. Even so

(a) we have no moral right to order our troops to do something about it

(b) what we are doing will almost certainly (based on the consequences of similar operations) increase the oppression these poor people will live under, and will certainly lead to massive death and poverty the effects of which will persist for generations.

I also can't believe anyone, anywhere is buying a rerun of the WMD BS. How many times will we be sold the same lie? Fool me once shame on you and all that. Israel has been claiming that Iran is "weeks away" from nuclear weapons for more than two decades.

I don't believe there is a nation on earth which tells more lies, and breaks more truces, and launches more unprovoked attacks, than Israel. And if there is such a nation then it's the US or the UK (named perfidious Albion for a reason) - Israel's two most closely controlled puppets.

Horace the Menace's avatar

Not sure what your point is here? Are you saying 10-7-23 is justification for striking Iran?

ezinmn's avatar

Absolutely - Hamas is a proxy of Iran, just as Iran is a tool of China. We're not going to take it anymore. FAFO.

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

That's exactly what the bot is saying!

So pathetic isn't it!

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

"What we are doing will almost certainly (based on the consequences of similar operations) increase the oppression these poor people will live under, and will certainly lead to massive death and poverty the effects of which will persist for generations."

Perfect, Horace ~ the Yanks never learn from history!

Horace the Menace's avatar

"the Yanks" aren't really running the show any more - if they ever truly were. And "the Brits" have exhibited the same behavior more consistently, and over a greater period, even than "the Yanks".

In reality both peoples have been easily duped and predictably manipulated for a long time.

Mike Simmons's avatar

What did the world learn from Neville Chamberlain?

JohnAZ's avatar

You will if they are allowed to control the Persian Gulf, which IS their goal, or was. Think for a moment, the US/Israel/ Gulf states are fighting a war to pacify the Gulf. Who benefits? Asia, China, Japan, and Europe. Not here. We are trying to stabilize the world’s oil market, for the good of everyone.

Horace the Menace's avatar

Trying to stabilize the world's oil market? Really?

One week ago the oil market was perfectly stable and oil was as plentiful and cheap as it's ever been.

Now - not so much.

And if this goes on for another few weeks the world's oil market will be permanently damaged - because that's what happens when wells are forced to shut down - which they will be if the oil cannot be transported away from the wellheads.

If we wanted to stabilize the world's oil market, all we had to do was - well - nothing at all.

JohnAZ's avatar

Yeah, the key is, one week ago. The oil market, like the stock market looks ahead. Nothing has changed in a week, even the stockpiles of oil, around the world have not changed. So the markets are rising on anticipation and not change. If the war goes on, markets will level off at a new supply-demand point. When the war ends, supply will increase again and the price will drop.

During WW2, you couldn’t hardly get gas, it was rationed. This will never get to that point, because the war is not going to last that long. China will be hurt worse than us, along with Japan. I believe they want the same thing we do, a stable Middle East. So patience will rule.

FYI, the price of a gallon went up in Phoenix from 3.39 to 3..84 overnight. We, unfortunately get 60% of our gas from California.

Horace the Menace's avatar

1. Oil was plentiful. The world did not have a problem. Inflation adjusted it was extremely cheap by all historical measures. This is one of Trump's positive achievements. No war was necessary to stabilize anything. It was already stable.

2. Lots has changed in a week. Oil is piling up at wellheads because it cannot be transported away. The first wells have already been turned off.

3. Once a wellhead is turned off it takes a considerable time to turn it back on - and you never ever get the same amount of oil out as you would have done if it had not been turned off. So things do not go back to just the same as before.

4. Even if things do go back to the same as before - why was the war necessary? The oil market was perfectly stable, oil was plentiful and the price was extremely low. So we are fighting a war so that we can, after the war, return to the same state except that a lot of innocent people will be dead? Nice.

Phil Denter's avatar

But what about your MIC? Don't be selfish - they need war to snarf their billions and trillions.

Horace the Menace's avatar

Ah yes indeed. The war serves a few people and many purposes. Stabilizing the world's oil market ain't one of them though.

Janna's avatar

In other words, “for the greater good”?

That usually doesn’t work out very well.

Phil Denter's avatar

Of course not ... because it is complete bullshit fed to the MK-Ultra'ed naïve.

Phil Denter's avatar

Right. The USA bombs the shit out of civilians for "the good of everyone." 🙄

Good thinking, John.

Cankerpuss's avatar

Ever since the USA started bombing Iran oil prices are skyrocketing. Gasoline is now approaching $3.00 a gallon again. If this is stabilizing the oil market it certainly isn't helping us here in the lower 48.

Mike Simmons's avatar

Kind of weird how short term our memories have become. It was March 2022 that oil was as high as $139/barrel. It's in the low $90s today and all the TDS amnesiacs can't crow loud enough about how Trump is driving oil prices through the roof. 🙄

Cankerpuss's avatar

I was really enjoying $2.30 pre gallon. Sigh.

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

"We are trying to stabilize the world’s oil market, for the good of everyone"

Hahahahahahahahha

You need to put down your bong my man and start reading different comics!

elysianfield's avatar

"We are trying to stabilize the world’s oil market, for the good of everyone."

...I wish I was again young, and all issues were either black or white.

Ben's avatar

I doubt for everyone but that is what we will say.

= )

Phil Denter's avatar

Right. Therefore ... ? C'mon ... You can do it ... Think ... The Americans are the bad guys!

Cankerpuss's avatar

In most cases of wars the USA has been involved in the USA has been the aggressor and that means the USA does not have the moral high ground. As such, yes, the bad guys. I do not approve of any of the USA's wars. Not that that matters to anyone but it matters to me.

Phil Denter's avatar

Dern tootin' it matters, Canker. That's how we will win!

Phil Denter's avatar

Yeah, thanks a fuck of a lot:

Trump interfered in Canada's April 2025 federal election AGAINST the Conservative, Pierre Poilievre, and FOR the benefit of the Harvard, Oxford, Goldman Sachs, Governor of the Bank of Canada, Governor of the Bank of England, WEF-scumbag Mark Carney. Makes ya think ... 🤔

Trump brags that he hurt MAGA ally Pierre Poilievre in Canada election — as Liberals grab win

Canada’s incumbent Liberal Party is staying in power thanks to a wave of anti-American feeling catalyzed by Donald Trump’s policies

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-pierre-poilievre-canada-eletions-b2741230.html

Daithi's avatar

Not really. Trumps son in law Jared Kushner was bailed out by Mark Carney’s Brookfield to the tune of $1.5bn in a real estate deal. The Canadian Conservative Party threatened to cut funding to the CBC the broadcasting arm of the liberal party currently subsidized by the taxpayer by well over $1bn. The CBC saw to it that TDS was kept alive and well in Canada and most Canadians are so politically naive or ignorant that they went and voted for the same crew that has spent the last 10 years in the destruction of the Canadian economy. Most of those voters don’t give a rats ass about the country so long as they continue to get their index linked pensions. Store bought beef in Canada is now around $40 per pound, MAID is the fourth largest cause of death and taxes are about 56% of income. Trump didn’t cause that - the liberals did with their inflationary economics and their pipeline bans.

Phil Denter's avatar

You are mostly correct ... but adding more background information to Trump's obviously-in-on-it feeding the CBC FOR WEF scum-bag Carney and AGAINST CBC-slashing Poillievre hardly discounts my point, D. Actually, it just makes it even stronger once one realizes what happened in this con last spring and why.

Comprendez vous?

Daithi's avatar

Don’t disagree at all. My “not really” was a comment on Trump being to blame for all of it when some blame has to rest with the elbowzians and ten years of a Trudeau and the Liberals as well. Thats all. Oh and I would disagree on the “beast”. The beast of Revelation is a composite of all the anti-Christian world governments. The false prophet of Revelation may well be AI.

Keep up the good work!

Phil Denter's avatar

Yeah - sorry if I gave the impression that I believed that Trump is 100% to blame for his significant role in flipping Canada's 2025 federal election from the conservative to the WEF scumbag. Clearly there were many players involved but that only strengthens the mystery. Why was Trump in cahoots with the leader who he would then pretend to be his foe? That's the question.

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God, please grant us discernment as we each see different beasts. 🙏🏻

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Cheers!

Mike Simmons's avatar

Hilarious. But for Trump the American Marxists in North America would end their long march through the institutions. The issue is never the issue. The issue is the revolution. Do you live in a memory care unit?

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2025/10/the_issue_is_never_the_issue_protests_in_the_us_and_israel.html

Phil Denter's avatar

The issue is, "Why did Trump go against the conservative and in favour of the Harvard, Oxford, Goldman Sachs, Governor of the Bank of Canada, Governor of the Bank of England, WEF-scumbag? And then brag about doing that Canada?"

That's the issue here, Mike.

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You wanna know why? I'll tell you why:

I wrote this a year ago. Every day it looks less "crazy" and more just plain accurate:

Trump's WEF mandates are to smash Greenland, Canada and the USA into the Club of Rome's New World Order Region 1 - North American Union (NAU), instigate then manage the bankruptcy of US Inc. and its phoney-bologna US$ and facilitate the transition from the prosperous corporatocracy that we knew (and loved) to their new thousand-times-worse-than-Orwellian technocracy.

Trump brokering and providing Peter Thiel, Larry Ellison & Sam Altman with a half a TRILLION[!] dollars falls into that last mandate. Those 3 amigos are developing our Super-AI (the biblical Beast System) to, among other things, custom build, in 48 hours, an mRNA jab to "cure" you of cancer(s) that you don't even have!

I shit you not.

Mike Simmons's avatar

More like you shit your pants.

Dude, you think the time lapse as a commentator at this particular substack confers superior intellect, and that putting forth an untested hypothesis (opinion) a year ago then repeating it improves its veracity.

Opinions are like arse-holes and they don't become more accurate with age or just because they're repeated.

Maybe get a grip on your smug narcissism.

Phil Denter's avatar

I never said anything about "superior intellect" so you just look like a fool when YOU tell ME what I think.

My theory, published over a year ago looks less "crazy" and more and more accurate as time goes by. Reading comprehension is clearly not a strength for you.

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Your piddly ad homs do nothing to me while my theories bear fruit.

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You keep insulting me to avoid the issue here, Mike.

"Why did Trump go against the conservative and in favour of the Harvard, Oxford, Goldman Sachs, Governor of the Bank of Canada, Governor of the Bank of England, WEF-scumbag? And then brag about doing that Canada?"

This isn't about me. 🙄

JohnAZ's avatar

Yup. Now how do we stop all this shit happening. By killing all the bad guys, starting right now.

Annette kimball's avatar

Change the name IRAN back to PERSIA…..it sounds lovely, historic, peaceful, ancient & beautiful

JohnAZ's avatar

An axiom is needed here. People never change, the pussified idea that if people will “see the light” and have the sense to change is a pipe dream and one that threatens the future. If regime change is required, the opposition must be destroyed, killed for a new paradigm to take hold.

Cankerpuss's avatar

But why should the USA be the ones to do it, JohnAZ? I can't believe how pro war you are in these posts. The USA is $38 trillion in debt. We can no longer afford to be the world's self appointed police. Our nation is rotting from the inside out. Our cities are full of undocumented military aged illegal aliens running amok. Mexico is attempting to take back what it lost during the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. And we are over there bombing Iran?

It's enough. We don't need more war. We need to spend our resources restoring our home land, kicking out the interlopers and fixing the government.

I'm tired as hell of people saying the USA has a duty to make things better for other nations. Like hell we do.

JohnAZ's avatar

What happens overseas affects us here. “No man is an Island” is real in the world today? Nothing affects the world more today than the idiocy of the Middle East and particularly Iran.

Debate with me, is the purpose of war to serve the MIC or is it to eliminate enemies? What is its purpose through the ages? In my eyes, war is the elimination of one of disparate philosophies.

Cankerpuss's avatar

The United States of America is large enough and has enough resources to be entirely self dependent and not reliant upon foreign nations for its sustenance.....if it wanted to be. I do believe that the USA can be "an island" and could do quite well as an island if it wanted to. Instead we have gone broke preserving the "American empire" when there shouldn't be an "American empire."

When have you been personally afflicted by Iran, JohnAZ? Seriously. When has anyone from Iran threatened or harmed you? When has Iran invaded another nation? Can you identify any American who has recently been targeted and assassinated by Iranian officials?

The purpose of war? Money. It's all about money. It always has been about money. War makes certain industries and manufacturers rich. War is extremely profitable. FDR used our entrance into World War 2 to jump start the economy and pull our forefathers out of the depression. It's all about money. The USA has a trillion dollar defense budget. Why? Because Iran is going to invade us? North Korea is going to invade us? My big ass they are. Iran doesn't even have enough water to quench the thirst of its capitol city much less a navy to sail their vast armies over to the USA and invade. Give me a break, JohnAZ. I am stunned that you are so pro war, pro American aggression against a poor shit hole country like Iran, so pro war when the nation is categorically bankrupt and crumbling here at home.

The only time war is justified is when it is necessary to protect ourselves from an aggressor. Is this aggressor Iran? If so, why? What has Iran done to threaten the sovereignty of the USA? Sponsor suicide bombers? Please. Block the Straight of Hormuz? Could be unblocked without bombing Tehran. Chant "death to Israel?" So what. That's Israel's problem, not ours. No, in this case the USA is the aggressor of this war and many others and it is doing so contrary to the Constitution as it doesn't have Congressional support and I don't give a shit about the War Powers Act says or doesn't say. The Constitution is very clear on who can and cannot declare war and the Constitution hasn't been amended otherwise.

When the USA is the aggressor it has lost the moral high ground. Period.

Get it together my friend. You're smarter than this.

Mike Simmons's avatar

"But why should the USA be the ones to do it?"

Hindsight being 20-20, if Neville Chamberlain were alive I'm sure he could answer your question.

Cankerpuss's avatar

Well he aint alive is he? Been dead for decades. Your comment is completely irrelevant.

Phil Denter's avatar

Like Afghanistan? Or Iraq? Or Vietnam?

When will you "see the light," John?

Hint: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.

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FYI - In land mass, Iran is approximately the same size as the UK, France, Germany and Spain combined!

JohnAZ's avatar

Actually agree with you here. If Trump does not eliminate the other side, he is not finished. If he takes any other path, like his predecessors, we will just return later when they arise again. Like Vietnam, like Afghanistan.

If war stops, diplomacy ceases.

JohnAZ's avatar

If war starts, diplomacy ceases.

Withnail's avatar

You won't be returning later. Your country is spiralling down the toilet mate, the USA is done.

Ben's avatar

That requires total war something we avoid at all costs including losing.

Which is why they have Kurds doing the heavy lifting right now with the boots on the ground.

Horace the Menace's avatar

I don't think the Kurds are or will do much of anything. I mean how stupid do we think they are - after we left them high and dry just a few years ago? Usually you have to wait three or so generations before you can get away with double crossing a people again...

Lugh's avatar

It's dangerous to be an enemy of the United States. But it's fatal to be our friend - Henry Kissinger

Withnail's avatar

There are no Kurds on the ground invading Iran.

Ben's avatar

Is that so and I guess you are sitting on the ground in Iran eh.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/iran-eastern-states/artc-exclusive-thousands-of-kurdish-fighters-launch-ground-offensive-into-iran-against-regime-official-says

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/3/7/iranian-kurd-leader-in-iraq-says-ground-operation-into-iran-highly-likely

Meaning its already happening.

D'uh.

Do you see how they like to lie?

Iran is already killing Kurds in the region.

Piss these people off and you got real problems even some of the women are good fighters.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/03/03/politics/cia-arming-kurds-iran

Lugh's avatar

Israel is already counting their chickens before they're hatched: Turkey is the next Iran. Knowing that, the Turks should attack Israel now. Why wait?

Old Gyrene's avatar

Because Israel would kick their ass?

Phil Denter's avatar

"Hold in thar, Queeksdraw!"

TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH's avatar

"Bad guys"? Be specific...

Like those who support apartheid?

Those who commit genocide?

Those who corrupt governments via Extortion Ops?

Those who did the 911 attacks?

Those who assassinated JFK?

JohnAZ's avatar

Apartheid? Iran

Genocide? Iran against its own people.

9/11, Saudi family backed by Iran.

JFK, our own shame.

TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH's avatar

is your ignorance willful?

Or just a very low intellect?

JohnAZ's avatar

Well, well, it did not take you long to descend to the level of the other name calling haters. Run out of content and just name call. Right out of the sandbox.

Old Gyrene's avatar

I think you have an Illusion of having a functioning brain.

The "D" in TDS stands for "Derangement", as you so aptly demonstrate.

I am hopeful some right thinking guy (or gal) can explain this to you up close and personal.

Freedom 4 conservatives's avatar

The Illusion of Human Progress, I'm finding myself hoping that you rot in Hell.

Bandit's avatar

I'm hoping it gets blown up, too. 😏

Anthony Murphy's avatar

Kunstler is a Zionist. So that is his worldview. I imagine next week we will be as far away from his predictions as ever

James Howard Kunstler's avatar

I doubt you know what "Zionist" means if you think I am a "Zionist."

It's just sloppy-ass slander.

Anthony Murphy's avatar

Your failure to recognise the main terrorist state in the middle east is astounding. Not once have we heard you criticise the sheer barbarism of Israel. And your reading of the military situation portrays extreme biased ignorance.

I look forward to 7 day review of your ridiculous prediction.

Paul B. Cohen's avatar

The only thing clearly recognizable here is that you are a God and truth hating retard, made so by your evil and murderous hatred.

Anthony Murphy's avatar

One of the chosen people, are we.

My creator seems all men equal.

Iran was attacked in a cowardly manner, but have now taken control. We shall see who prevails.

Lugh's avatar

The Talmud makes fun of Jehovah at times. The Jewish people are their own God, apparently.

Strange Bedfellow's avatar

Paul B. Cohen is actually against Israel too, only in a counterintuitive way, what with his ostensibly-Jewish moniker and incindiary-cum-wacky commentary.

JohnAZ's avatar

So, CFN are supposed to believe the tripe you broadcast, that you know more than our host?

Hahahahaha.

There is a guy in New Zealand you need to hook up with.

JohnAZ's avatar

Anthony, why do folks always call out “experts” to support only their side and only read their stuff. I do not give a damn about any one persons opinion.

I believe it is what is called spin.

Anthony Murphy's avatar

7 day prediction. We shall see. War department now predicting September.

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

Punching below the belt again, eh John?

"Punching below the belt" refers to an UNFAIR, HURTFUL or UNETHICAL ACTION, originating from boxing were hitting below the opponent's waist is prohibited.

Ben's avatar

Jim did it was called Iran.

You know the country now shooting missiles at up to 12 different countries which I might add is the very definition of a terrorist state.

Anthony Murphy's avatar

They sustained a cowardly attack and counterattack enemy bases.

Is that not allowed?

Lugh's avatar

During negotiations. Why bother to even talk with these people? They never negotiated with honest intent. They were always intending "Greater Israel".

Lugh's avatar

What the official American death count now? Still think it's just six? Probably dozens if not hundreds. They destroyed the base in Bahrain. There's probably dozens from that alone.

Cankerpuss's avatar

Isn't that what happens in war, Ben? When a country is bombed don't they then retaliate? The USA has dozens of bases in close proximity to Iran's boundaries.

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

Male bovine excrement, Ben, my friend.

Strange Bedfellow's avatar

"I doubt you know what 'Zionist' means if you think I am a 'Zionist.' " ~ James Howard Kunstler

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Might indeed be a good time to start very slowly, almost imperceptibly, walking back your ostensible support for Israel.

Howard Skillington's avatar

The difference between being a Zionist and wishing for Zionists to have their way is academic.

Strange Bedfellow's avatar

Got to give him credit for not really appearing to change his sociopathological position since he scrawled that breathless passage 25 years ago, where he advocates leveling entire cities! For the transgressions of a mere few! Here it is again, with the specific bits extracted:

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"Failure to comply ought to result in the complete destruction of Kabul and other Taliban-controlled towns...

[...]

Second, the people of Iraq should be warned to depart their capital city, Baghdad, which should then be completely destroyed.

The nation of Israel should begin immediately the deportation of Palestinians from the West Bank to the Kingdom of Jordan. The people of Gaza Strip should be transported to Egypt, and the Gaza incorporated into the state of Israel.

The government of Syria should be notified to begin evacuations of Damascus pending its destruction within a short time frame. Ditto Tripoli, capital of Lybia."

~ James Howard Kunstler, https://www.kunstler.com/p/the-clusterfuck-nation-chronicle-240?utm_source=publication-search

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One could suggest that this is Israel's, even America's State-MIC modus operandi in one person's unchanged (unhinged?) mind. Sad, ironic stuff on a blog called, Clusterfuck Nation.

Howard Skillington's avatar

That's why they squawk so much about "antisemitism." They are terrible bigots, projecting that regrettable characteristic onto others.

Strange Bedfellow's avatar

Anti-semitism is doublespeak. In that context. They know that, and it's a clue to their overriding methodology; that they know that but still use it. That's key.

This isn't just a war on Iran, but on many others around the world, including those in America, itself. Even in Israel.

This is systemic sociopathy, and it's cascading.

I've had a few of my comments under this article quietly deleted, by the way. By Jim? By Substack? By a CIA/Mossad hacker?

Again, it is a war that has spread, such as into the information-space, even on words and meanings themselves, and we're vulnerable, part of the 'combatants'.

'Whose side are you on?'

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One By One

https://youtu.be/RDgW87QyWrA?si=3ZKsaQOfHTaEXXmJ&t=60

TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH's avatar

I'm new... could you explain "zionism" and if you are a "Zionist"?

Strange Bedfellow's avatar

"The following seems to me to be an appropriate unfolding response to the vicious attacks on United States territory. [9/11]

It would seem appropriate, first, to demand that the Taliban government of the poor and wretched nation of Afghanistan produce the terrorist Osama Bin Ladin and his assistants and place them in the hands of NATO authorities within a very brisk time frame. Failure to comply ought to result in the complete destruction of Kabul and other Taliban-controlled towns.

Second, the people of Iraq should be warned to depart their capital city, Baghdad, which should then be completely destroyed.

The nation of Israel should begin immediately the deportation of Palestinians from the West Bank to the Kingdom of Jordan. The people of Gaza Strip should be transported to Egypt, and the Gaza incorporated into the state of Israel.

The government of Syria should be notified to begin evacuations of Damascus pending its destruction within a short time frame. Ditto Tripoli, capital of Lybia."

~ James Howard Kunstler, https://www.kunstler.com/p/the-clusterfuck-nation-chronicle-240?utm_source=publication-search

Withnail's avatar

He's really jumped the shark. A bigoted, hateful American.

Sue Kelley's avatar

"Illusion" is a very apt handle. Where do YOU get your news? CNN?

rural counsel's avatar

Turns out that was propaganda ... the sabotage agents caught were Iranians.

Night owl's avatar

RE: Mossad. I had missed it, but just heard it on the Delingpole podcast today.

This war will cost Trump what remains of his base, and those that joined him from across the aisle. Gabbard is out now.

Trump is shaping up to be a colossal failure on every major front that mattered.

Lugh's avatar

Just another Neo-Con at this point. He could have been something better but he played with the Devil and now has to pay up.

TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH's avatar

Some think he is being controlled via Epstein materials that are being held over his head.

Maybe... hard to explain his support and funding of a genocide otherwise... or making war (illegally) on a country that posed NO threat to America.

I guess we'll see...

AltaiDM's avatar

Iran may not win but they will survive long enough to see us enjoy "our" victory as Israel is wrecked by payback visited on it while our already ailing economy implodes when the global oil trade comes to a screeching halt.

Assuming we survive this shit show, Nutjobyahoo will need "us" to stir up shit with Turkiye next.

Paul B. Cohen's avatar

You won’t see anything, blinded as you are, until turned from your evil.

TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH's avatar

Evil... like apartheid? Like 911? Like the JFK hit? Like the USS Liberty?

Like genocide? Like political corruption via extortion operations? Like massive land thefts?

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

Mr. Cohen, you won’t see anything, blinded as you are by those ancient tomes.

'God's were only invented as a means to explain things that otherwise could not be explained. In reality, 'God's were no explanation at all. Humans just make them up and then claimed them to be factual.

However, the absence of evidence eventually relegates all 'God's to the trash.

When your Pastor/Priest addresses you as his flock, and sheep ~ isn’t that incredibly humiliating? Does she/he have to have control over you?

Martillo's avatar

Sssssssshhh...that's not the "correct" Bibi BS that murcans need to slurp if poor tiny and very small "Israel" is to grow into a regional hegemon on US tax slave dollahs. So sssssssssssssssssssssssh...no reality here pleeZ and for God's sake don't mention any of those poor "dying American boys" already stacked up in Pentacon's military hospitals in Germanistan. (from Larry Johnson)

Gwennie's avatar

And what will your barbaric ass be doing if your dramatic posturing comes true? You mourn over 167 people killed while calling forthe death of millions of your own fellow citizens? Explain how that makes moral sense.

Lee Wilson's avatar

The muslims kill girls on a whim. Have you been chewing the lead paint chips? I doubt you ability to think your way through a plugged toilet. Odds are more likely a flubbed Iranian missle.

Lugh's avatar

An Iranian general explained: It was a sacrifice to Satan whom they think will now help them win the war.

Laurence Temojin's avatar

Yes, the Left is filled with insanity, but the Right does too. Those fomenting the twisted theology around the establishment of the Third Temple in Jerusalem to encourage the 2nd coming of Jesus are part of the problem. Humans have no control over God’s decision to take His people home. Jesus said only the Father knows when that happens, and yet repeatedly throughout history we think we can force or influence that decision. Our hubris knows no bounds.

UncleBob9's avatar

As opposed to the Twelvers, who ate doing all they can to bring about the Twelfth Imam and the Muslim apocalypse.

Horace the Menace's avatar

Just because the other guy is wrong don't make us right...

Ben's avatar

Bob most of these morons have no clue what you are talking about.

Lugh's avatar

So you admit he's right about Christian Zionism? You don't deny what he said, merely saying that others were doing the same thing. You do this a lot and it's tantamount to conceding the debate.

bara.ex.nihilo's avatar

Thank you for writing this truth.

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

"Jesus said only the Father knows when that happens" LOL

Why do a Christian's expect a book written by unknown authors in a variety of languages, that was translated, rewritten, edited countless times ~ is evidence for anything?

It's just a book.

Every statement of "Jesus said" needs to start with "my old book says that Jesus said...."

Ben's avatar

Dennis the menace incoming you summoned his incoherent demonic dry drunkerd rage.

Donna Wilson's avatar

Incoherent? Drunkard? Demonic? None of these apply even remotely to Dennis. Neither does "rage."

Dunno--sounds like projection to me.

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

Thank you, Donna

You forgot "Angry dry drunk!" LOL

Add "Russian" to my names as of today, my dear.

I happened to mention Russia! LOL

He claims he is an agnostic ~ in the next breath tells how his church helped people find Jesus Christ, and what a huge change that made in their life! LOL

Hope you are well.

Dennis

Donna Wilson's avatar

Oh, I see, couldn't quite tell what he meant earlier. Step up your game, Ben! :-)

I'm well, all things considered--thanks for asking. I hope you are, too.

Ben's avatar

I don't need to step up any game I already nailed him to the wall.

Ex drunk raging at God for two times cancer and the last one is terminal.

Shitty fucking blood cancer I hate to see anyone get it.

Even an America hating God hating Jew hating Communist like Dennis.

Donna Wilson's avatar

Crapstains, Ben, take a chill pill.

Oh, btw, atheists don't rage at God. Only believers can rage at God, since they believe a god exists to rage at, and believers don't. Do you, as a believer, rage at purple unicorns or leprechauns? No, because you don't believe they exist. ...Or at least I hope you don't.

I do wish people could get that straight.

Edit: I'm with you 100% about the fucking blood cancer.

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

Ben the Dickhead ~ you’ve assumed a lot of things about me without knowing me at all.

Kind of impressive how wrong you got all of them.

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

Nobody is listening to you insulting and telling lies about other posters, Ben.

They rightly think you are an asshole.

Resorting to ad hominem attacks.

Arguments that attack a person’s character or traits rather than addressing the substance of their argument.

dbriz's avatar

From the Neocons in Training Handbook:

Rule 7: Under NO circumstances go off script. If answer can’t be found, insult questioner from ad hominem’s listed at paragraph 5c, Chapter 2. Then consult your supervisor.

Ben's avatar

Wrong Dennis...Dennis.

= p

Ben's avatar

You are Dennis and you know I got your number their sonny boy.

Mrs. SOB's avatar

Amen, Lawrence.

Frank S's avatar

I hope you are right Jim. I don't see the situation the same way. Iran has so many advantages. Yesterday missiles struck Tel Aviv and no sirens blared. The radar systems are on life support. Iran is now launching cluster ballistic missiles. You didn't mention that the US bombed murals thinking they were bombing actual planes. Israel is censoring CNN from reporting damage lol. I believe Iran is in the drivers seat and will make this a war of attrition that US and Israel will lose badly. Very badly. This is probably the end of Israel as we know it.

Frank S's avatar

I don't think so Jim. Let's see how this plays out.

JohnAZ's avatar

I cannot believe the level of ignorance being shown on CFN about this war. Where do these people get this bullshit they keep spouting?

elysianfield's avatar

John,

In the age of AI, you feign knowledge regarding the war. The first victim of war is truth, and that was before they could, with a few key strokes, show you, naked, save for jack boots and a scimitar, executing Christian babies during Super Bowl halftime.

You, I and the assembled multitude know nothing of what is happening...we have only opinions, vague at that.

...Oh, and regarding that video...You look pretty good...you been working out?

TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH's avatar

Is this guy spouting bullshit? Seems well informed to me...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyc1aF4I53c

And guys like Cols Macgregor and Wilkerson... Prof Merscheimer... Jeffry Sachs... Scott Ritter... all liars, Johnny?

Strange Bedfellow's avatar

Perhaps it isn't true that there was a 12-day war over there last June. 12 days seems kind of short for a war. What happened? But that's the information we have to work with. What day are we on with this war? 8th.? 12 is coming up soon. Maybe it's a magical number and this war will end in 3 or 4 days, too.

Ben's avatar

Meanwhile every country around Israel has decided Israel is easier to live with than a murderous fanatical shite theocracy.

We should also note the Kurds are rushing in to take out the Kuds forces you know the same Kurds that have been at war for thirty years while the Kuds have been training and training but seen little action beyond murdering their own people.

Frank S's avatar

The Kurds are a tiny force of around 10,000 soldiers if I'm not mistaken. If they go into Iran they will get slaughtered and I think they know that.

Ben's avatar
Mar 6Edited

Dead wrong.

The Kurds as a people are all over Iran Iraq and into Turkey.

Just in Iran there are 8-10 million if just one percent of them take up weapons even untrained look out.

There are an estimated 5.6 to 8.5 million Kurds living in Iraq.

The Kurdish population in Turkey is estimated to be between 15 and 20 million.

Turkey is terrified of these people ever gaining a foothold and has been fighting them for ever.

They are fighting to establish a country of their own.

The theocracy in Iran is done as a government.

What will transpire is anarchy while these tribal people fight it out for control.

We can blame the British for their straight-line partitioning with zero thought to who lived where.

Some say it was done on purpose to keep these people fighting and down.

Horace the Menace's avatar

The kurds probably don't feel like the owe us much of anything these days.

I agree there is a possibility they may fight - because they have their own agenda - but they sure won't be doing it for us.

But if I were them I'd be very cautious since we left them high and dry last time just a few years ago. My guess is they wait and see which way the wind blows for some time before doing anything at all.

Frank S's avatar

I don't know a lot about the Kurds so I'll stipulate to every point you made. I still don't think you refuted my main point which is that they will get slaughtered if they go into Iran.

Ben's avatar
Mar 6Edited

You have no point that is the problem.

They are already in Iran in huge numbers.

The Iraqi Kurds have also entered the country.

JohnAZ's avatar

There are many factions that are going to contest for control, just like Iraq. The real solution is to throw out the divisions of 1918 and divide the area into logical ethnic countries.

Liber8or's avatar

In college I had 4 Kurds in my dorm. They were actually nice guys. Very smart. Brainiacs into chemistry and math.

Old Gyrene's avatar

"...if I'm not mistaken."

You are mistaken.

JohnAZ's avatar

Your misspelling of Shia is appropriate.

Horace the Menace's avatar

I very much doubt it's the end of Israel. I strongly suspect both sides are controlled by the same puppetmasters as is usually the case. Iran is a nest of freemasons (just look at their parliament pyramid with it's 33 windows and masonic symbols) and the Ayatollah Khomeini was an Anglo-Indian British agent who was neatly shaven and dressed in a suit and living in London before he was parachuted into Iran as the new leader all those decades ago - at which point he started growing an unkempt beard and wearing the mullah outfit.

It is however another step on the road to ruin for the debt laden, over-regulated hollowed out economy of the US.

Horace the Menace's avatar

Rumor has it he lived in London for a protracted period (when official history places him in Iraq) before he was "exiled" to Paris. There is a picture which circulates supposedly taken of him in London in 1972 in a suit and tie with neatly parted hair.

Paul B. Cohen's avatar

Meanwhile, back in Iran, the IRGC is saying, “wow, this is nuts, look how successful our propaganda is!!!”

Paul B. Cohen's avatar

Bigtime! Quadrupling “truth” in caps is just an indication of your insecurity peddling obvious lies that agree with your own.

TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH's avatar

That response is pathetic... as you well know.

Dispute my posts with facts and links to back them. Or STFU.

I can back anything I post.

Old Gyrene's avatar

It might be possible for you to step back from the abyss of idiocy you are displaying, but I doubt it.

I hope you can find some kind of peace in your life.

Frank S's avatar

My views are not idiocy as you call it. Let's see how this plays out. I'm not personally affected by the war. I live a privileged life which I'm grateful for. Does that qualify as some kind of peace? You may want to step back from the abyss you think I'm looking at.

TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH's avatar

You sound bitter... and very uninformed.

Frank S's avatar

All over the internet. I resonate with Alex Krainer as much as anyone else. Hardly black pill.

Castelletto's avatar

I'm a big fan of Krainer, but you have to know how to weed out his biases. I read his column and am pretty sure he let his fear and loathing of the Brits take charge in this case. He's been both right and wrong about Trump. I think he doesn't know how to read him yet. Like the Duran, they're really useless these days when it comes to anything Trump. As for "all over the internet," that sounds like an operation. Try Coffee and Covid for better balance.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Ironically, what the US is unleashing in Iran feels eerily reminiscent of the horrors increasingly suspected on Epstein's Pedo Island: not just rape, but "Jack the Ripper" savagery against children and women—torture, murder, the works, all under the guise of elite games.

Take that opening salvo in Operation Epstein Fury: one of the first strikes, courtesy of US and/or Israeli precision wizardry, pulverizes a girls' school in southern Iran. The US military loves bragging about its "surgical strikes" and Precision-Guided Munitions that can nail a target from orbit with minimal "collateral"—yet here we are, with over 168 prepubescent girls turned to mist. Officials in Tehran howl it's a blatant violation of international law, and growing reports finger America, not just Israel, as the trigger-pullers.

A Vietnamese news clip captures the carnage: "See the real scene at the girls' primary school in southern Iran, where a devastating Israeli strike has claimed the lives of over 100 students. Officials in Tehran have criticised the incident and said it raises concerns under international law." (https://share.google/mnTeVq5SrcsVrxcrT) But a Tehran professor spills the beans: "They purposely hit schools, hit hospitals. This is an Israeli practice. They call it the Dahiya doctrine. That means that you create a lot of suffering for ordinary citizens."

Ah, the Dahiya doctrine—named after that Beirut suburb Israel turned to rubble in 2006—using disproportionate force on civilian spots to terrorize, deter militant support, and crank up the suffering dial. Critics call it collective punishment on steroids. Under POTUS Trump and DEFSEC Hegseth, America's apparently adopted this gem, boasting systems that "thread a needle through a postage stamp from 10,000 miles away," yet "oops"—a school full of kids gets multiple hits, despite a decade-old barrier separating it from the nearby base.

If you're a fan of fibs, you'll adore the "close to a military base" alibi for slaughtering 168 schoolgirls on Day 1 of this Pearl Harbor-style blitz on civilians under Iran's far-right theocracy. Deliberate? Obviously, with that Machiavellian psychopathic flair screaming Hegseth's target-picking genius. Incompetence? Laughable—these munitions don't "oops" without intent. It was a message: no terrorist low America won't plumb. Shock and awe, now with kiddie casualties for that rally-round-the-flag zing.

Hegseth "investigating" himself? Foregone: cover-up, whitewash, medals for the murderers. Classic American accountability.

Derogate Iran's brutal regime all you like—I'm in—but spare the "Jihadists won't arm from Iran anymore" tripe. Jihadists are mostly Sunni; Iran's Shia proxies (Hezbollah, Houthis, Iraqi militias) are more like anti-Nazi partisans than ISIS. Tehran's theocracy chugs on, arming its favorites while America whacks Sunni moles it midwifed.

Last year, Iran deported over a million illegals (mostly Afghans)—more than the US—lest their girls end up like Jocelyn Nungaray or JonBenet Ramsay. Ironic, then, that America kicks off its Iran bash by butchering 168 prepubescent girls in one school strike. No illegal anywhere ever massacred that many innocents in a day—America under Trump and Hegseth owns that record, Day 1 alone. It's like screaming: "One kid killing bad? Watch us multiply your Nungarays and Ramsays by 167+ on opener, so you know who we really are."

Americans? Compared to those girls' killers, Americans are over a hundred times worse—beacons of exceptional sadism, turning precision into premeditated child-slaughter. Truly shining. 😏

UncleBob9's avatar

Tell us you're a subversive Democrat without actually writing the words.

In other news, Bill Clinton said Trump did nothing wrong in re: Epstein. This apparently is supported by the billion-plus pages of documents released by the DOJ. The fact that documents and Bubba's sworn testimony are meaningless to many people substantiates JHK's comment that half the country doesn't care about truth; all that matters to you is control.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

You assume a lot. You must be from New Mexico. The US ranks 33rd in cross national mean IQ comparisons and New Mexico has the lowest mean of any state.

I think all the behavioral indicators are consistent with Slick Willie and his wife being narcissistic psychopaths just like POTUS Trump, albeit in Willie's cases (not his wife's) a bit lower on sadism.

Now, you tell me, how would Slick Willie know if POTUS Trump did anything wrong? He's only been linked to being in Epstein's presence on a couple of dozen occasions. It's not as if he was hanging out with him for decades like POTUS Trump.

And why do you think Williw would tell the truth if he did know anything?

There's only one reason anyone hung out with Epstein for longer than five minutes.

It's because they shared his predilections.

Ben's avatar

Guilt by association huh?

Witch hunts and stupidity abound.

Let's hope we don't get tarred and feathered for posting on the same board as you.

Lugh's avatar

Yes, Ben. Bill didn't know and Hillary never met Epstein.

michael janket's avatar

In the last tranche of 3 million emails and other documents, Trump is mentioned 37,000 times. He was an altar boy and Boy Scout, salt of the earth.

UncleBob9's avatar

I can mention you 300,000 times, but it doesn't make you a criminal. For example, out of those 300,000 mentions I could call you a saint 1,000 times, a doctor 500 times, a horse's ass another 500 times, the neighbor down the road 3,000, and a pigfucking piece of shit 295,000 times -- but does that mean you like to climb into a pigpen and pork pigs? Oh, sorry. Being able to discern my point requires critical thinking skills you may not possess.

Horace the Menace's avatar

If you had received an invitation to spend some time with Jeffrey, how would you have responded?

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

He would have become his closest friend.

michael janket's avatar

Increase your hat size, your head is blowing up.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Horace handed your ass to you. Melinda Gates knew within a nanosecond of meeting him that Epstein was a perv. As POTUS Trump told the Palm Beach cops after the heat started closing in when news of the investigation into Epstein broke and POTUS Trump knew the gig was up and there was no point in denying it "everyone's known about what he was doing for ages." Epstein was caught on tape saying that he had been POTUS Trump's closest friend for more than a decade. It's logically possible, but highly implausible, that someone could be the closest friend of a pervert and not share his proclivities.

Horace the Menace's avatar

At the very least it's

(a) highly plausible, and reasonable grounds for suspsicion that he shared those proclivities.

(b) highly implausible that he was not aware of, and hence did not tolerate them.

elysianfield's avatar

Michael,

Alter boy? Boy scout? No...just another weak human male.

michael janket's avatar

merely a wry comment, me boy.....

UncleBob9's avatar

You assume a lot.

The Land of Enchantment is beautiful, and someone there has "YAHWEH" as his license plate -- or did when I visited Santa Fe 30 years ago.

Most successful people have narcissistic tendencies, though not all of them are psychopaths or sociopaths. Saying Trump fucks kids because Epstein was his neighbor and they attended some soirees is akin to saying you like online Japanese porn because you spend time at websites.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Only in the US do most people have malignant narcissistic tendencies. Narcissism is actually s pathology and in most Western countries such as Canada, Scotland, England, Germany etc, the majority of people do not have this personality pathology.

Horace the Menace's avatar

I think that is likely not entirely true. Epstein appears to have been at the heart of lots of intelligence/racketeering/organized criminal activity alongside the pedophilia stuff. So it seems possible to me that some people who hung out with him were merely thieves, murderers or racketeers while not actually being pedophiles. Not sure how much of a difference that makes...

Lugh's avatar

He is a Renaissance Man. Our Emmanuel Goldstein. Our Civilization IS Epstein. He now lives in Israel and is playing video games. His girl Friday, Ghislaine has joined him. They replaced her with a double in prison. Not even a good double. They don't mind if we know. They want us to know since we can't do anything about it.

Horace the Menace's avatar

Possible. Even probable perhaps.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Thieving, murdering and racketeering as well as sex trafficking were business to him. Anyone who hung with him was doing more than doing business.

Horace the Menace's avatar

Probably. I'm still not prepared to say definitely 100% though. There must be some people he was trying to entrap and failed.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Lutnick said words to the effect that he recognized he was a pervert within nanoseconds and then shunned him but that turned out to be a lie. On the other hand Melinda Gates said much the same thing and probably told the truth.

Horace the Menace's avatar

And Bonnie said Clyde did nothing wrong...

The DOJ released only a small percentage of the Epstein files. 2/3 of them (I think that is approximately correct) were "accidentally" deleted in (AFAIR) 2023. Even the ones that have been released are massively redacted in ways which appear to protect criminals as well as victims. Plus - at this point - there's been plenty of time for the insertion of reams of fakery into the files too.

Everyone is compromised.

UncleBob9's avatar

And, false information probably has been inserted into the documentation in order to cripple any prosecution.

Since everyone seems to know that nothing can come of this, why are so many people going around saying "Trump fucks kindergarteners"? Political dirty tricks to put Democrats into office? Fury that he's undercutting the globalist agenda? Basic stupidity among the populace that's fed by agitprop disguised as journalism? All of the above?

Horace the Menace's avatar

Perhaps your reasons are valid for some people.

Myself, although I don't go around saying that, suspect it may well be true because there is evidence outside the Epstein files that he does. I haven't looked into it deeply enough to know whether the evidence constitutes, or falls short of, proof - but there's certainly enough for suspicion. And then he hung out with Epstein a LOT. And then he seems to have hung out with several other pedos, or suspected pedos.

And then let's face it - it's not exactly unlikely that a top political leader (and especially one who seems to have been annointed into power out of nowhere as Trump was) is part of the whole pedo empire - it's sort of the price of entry isn't it?

William Bogert's avatar

I think he's more of just a common nut job....

Mrs. SOB's avatar

Yes! And "half" is being generous.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Check out the video. The "Iranian missile misfire" bullshit is revealed as an attempted cover up by murder apologists. The "mistake" claim is also bullshit. You are a depraved psychopath.

A look at evidence linking U.S. to Iranian school strike | PBS News https://share.google/04QIZ7hqEZ9h9cLsS

Miss Rodeo's avatar

So, there is NO doubt, absolutely none, that we bombed the school?

Ben's avatar
Mar 6Edited

There is no doubt it was a poorly made out of control Iranian missile.

Meanwhile he ignores all the Iranian tech hitting civilian targets all over the middle east and now Cyprus.

I guess all those kids don't matter one bit.

For the life of me I will never understand the mentality of these people who ignore reality that Iran is a blood thirsty murderous theocracy that directly targets civilians all over the place.

He is not awake at all.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

To the peanut gallery claiming that missile on the Iranian girls' school was a rogue Iranian dud or an Israeli oopsie—oh, please, spare us the fairy tales. The devastation wreaked is worlds beyond what a misfiring Iranian rocket could muster; we're talking precision carnage, not backyard fireworks gone wrong. Forensic whispers scream it was hammered not once, but repeatedly—like a sadistic encore. And let's not forget: Israeli strikes weren't lighting up the south; that was prime US fireworks territory. The evidence weighs heavier than Hegseth's conscience: this was an intentional American hit, "shock and awe" with a side of schoolgirl slaughter.

But hey, why let facts ruin a good denial party? 😏

Ben's avatar
Mar 6Edited

You really are a complete dope.

Iran's tech is garbage as far as aim, but they pack some fairly large explosives on them.

Even without a weapons package on them they can take down a building with all the fuel exploding.

As I have said repeatedly their tech works for soft civilian targets, slow moving defenseless tankers and anything that can't fire back.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

I've debunked you below, you low IQ psychopath.

Mike Ware's avatar

You have zero “facts” Go back to sleep and spare me rest of your woke lies

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Exclusive: US investigation points to likely US responsibility in Iran school strike, sources say | Reuters https://share.google/OMCXAdZkwLX62yCgk

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

As Horace notes above, even Wikipedia has debunked the bullshit you believe. The evidence is becoming overwhelming that the US intentionally targeted a school full of little girls. This is why the US military is regarded around the world as more cowardly than almost any other military.

Oh, and by the way, I noticed that you believe Mohammed existed.

Sorry to burst your bubble but there's scant evidence for the existence of a historical Mohammed.

You and billions of Muslims believe in a fantasy.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

See my reply to you below.

Horace the Menace's avatar

Probably. He works for the CIA after all. I doubt anyone is telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth right now :-)

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Exclusive: US investigation points to likely US responsibility in Iran school strike, sources say | Reuters https://share.google/OMCXAdZkwLX62yCgk

Mrs. SOB's avatar

I agree with you. 'AsleepNotWoke' might be a more accurate moniker.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Research is brutal: women scoring high on dark-tetrad traits (narcissism, sadism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy) plus authoritarian dominance cravings are disproportionately pro-Trump (Fekula et al. 2024; Zmigrod 2021). Turns out pathological narcissism and pedophilia share a lot of the same wiring—entitlement, lack of empathy, predatory grooming, obsessive control. Different target age, same operating system.

It's very likely those dead schoolgirls turn you on.

Ben's avatar
Mar 6Edited

And he resorts to low brow attacks.

Showing his low IQ he claims other people have.

ANW posting form a Nigerian call center.

Just remember all those missiles Iran is shooting everywhere are really mana from heaven.

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

"And he resorts to low brow attacks."

.....coming from the Gold Medalist of low brow attacks in this thread!

Give me a fuckin break!

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Heaven? There was no Mohammed, bozo I detest how women are treated in Iran and have no problem with Americans laying down their lives for Israel, and to cleanse the global gene pool, although the launching by the US of a precision strike on 168+ schoolgirls is a bit sickening. But, as regards pedophiles, the Ayatollah never hung out with Epstein.

Furthermore, in Iran, under the Law on the Protection of Children and Juveniles (enacted originally in 2002 and updated in later years), acts of sexual abuse or exploitation of persons under 18 are criminalized and carry imprisonment terms if they do not fall under harsher religious “hudud” punishments.

In contrast, in the US, under Article 120b of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (10 U.S.C. § 920b), sex with 12 year olds is lawful for Americans who join the US military and marry or  are married to the young boy or girl. If you don’t  believe me look it up. There’s even a Wikipedia entry about it. Child marriage is legal in 2/3 of US states.

Did you marry a 12 year boy, Ben?

Mrs. SOB's avatar

Words words words

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

It appears that to date at least four Iranian schools have been attacked during Operation Epstein Fury (Minab, 2 in the Parand area, Tehran’s Shahid Hamedani). The UN has verified at least 13 health facility attacks in Iran during Epstein Fury. These attacks have followed SECDEF Hegseth's criticism of constraints of international law in the form of rules of engagement.

This PATTERN, which is already evident after only one week, points to intentional war crimes and undermines the plausible deniability advantage from selecting a school target located close to a military installation.

The pattern is evidence of who Americans, under the present administration, really are. Americans are terrorists who deliberately targeted civilians.

Further, in the US, under Article 120b of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (10 U.S.C. § 920b), sex with 12 year olds is lawful for Americans who join the US military and marry or are married to the young boy or girl. If you don’t believe me look it up. There’s even a Wikipedia entry about it. Child marriage is legal in 2/3 of US states.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Yeah but I've got you figured out to a T.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Exclusive: US investigation points to likely US responsibility in Iran school strike, sources say | Reuters https://share.google/OMCXAdZkwLX62yCgk

Paul B. Cohen's avatar

Drop the “might.”

TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH's avatar

Can you dispute what this well-informed guy says? FAR more informed that your snarky ass?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyc1aF4I53c

Kathy Christian's avatar

I heard it was an Iranian missile gone awry that hit the school.

Ben's avatar

That's what we say and of course they say anything they can to frame themselves as innocent parties being transgressed.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Ben and Kathy Christian and Mike Ware-

Ah, the classic "Iranian missile gone awry" defense—because nothing says "reliable" like a ballistic missile that miraculously decides to U-turn and obliterate its own girls' school full of kids, while the US and Israel are busy launching a massive precision campaign in the same region. Spare me.

Let's dismantle this fairy tale with a few inconvenient facts:

Iranian ballistic missiles (Shahab, Qiam, etc.) have notoriously poor accuracy outside a few hundred meters CEP at best—often 500m–1km or worse for older models. A "poorly controlled" one drifting off course might cause damage, but the Shajareh Tayyebeh school was directly hit multiple times with catastrophic precision (satellite imagery from Planet Labs/NYT shows clean, targeted detonation centroids on the school building itself, not scatter or peripheral blast). That level of accuracy screams precision-guided munitions (PGMs), not a runaway Iranian rocket. The damage pattern is inconsistent with a failed launch—those usually explode mid-air or crater widely, not demolish a specific building repeatedly with surgical hits.

The school was not struck once—multiple impacts, including direct roof penetrations and sequential strikes. Iranian missiles don't loiter and double-tap; US/Israeli PGMs do.

Israeli strikes were concentrated in western/northern Iran (missile sites, nuclear facilities); the south (Hormozgan/Minab area) was US domain, per CENTCOM statements and official briefings on targeting IRGC naval bases in the Strait of Hormuz region. Minab's IRGC naval complex was hit simultaneously—US assets were active there.

A barrier wall separated the school from the base for a decade (Google Earth/Satellite records)—if it was a "mistake," it required ignoring obvious civilian infrastructure right next door. US boasts "thread a needle from 10,000 miles"—yet we're to believe they "oopsied" into a school repeatedly? Implausible.

The weight of evidence—satellite imagery (NYT, NPR, Planet Labs), timing/location alignment with US strikes, precision pattern, multi-hit damage—points overwhelmingly to an intentional American strike. "Failed Iranian missile" is the comfort blanket for those who can't face the mirror. The US adopted the Dahiya doctrine (deliberate civilian suffering to deter)—they just swapped Beirut suburbs for Minab schoolgirls.

No Iranian missile failure does this. It's precision sadism with plausible deniability. Classic American exceptionalism. 😏

Horace the Menace's avatar

I doubt it's just sadism. It seems to me that this possibly signals intent to create a longer lasting war. A strike like this will create massive outrage within the Iranian population, thus creating a political environment conducive to a longer, more destructive struggle. This will allow for greater destruction of both Iran and economic and military detrioration of the US - dual aims of Rothschild Israel.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Check out the video. The "Iranian missile misfire" bullshit is revealed as an attempted cover up by murder apologists. The "mistake" claim is also bullshit. You are a depraved psychopath.

A look at evidence linking U.S. to Iranian school strike | PBS News https://share.google/04QIZ7hqEZ9h9cLsS

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Exclusive: US investigation points to likely US responsibility in Iran school strike, sources say | Reuters https://share.google/OMCXAdZkwLX62yCgk

Lugh's avatar

Those who did this to your mind deserve to swing.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

That's propaganda as opposed to a conclusion that's consistent with the evidence. The site was hit repeatefdlyand the damage was far in excess of what one of the Iranians' pathetic excuses for missiles is capable of inflicting. And the same excuse has been used before in Gaza.

Ben's avatar

As opposed to your propaganda and opinion.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

See my reply to you below.

Ben's avatar

Not interested in your opinion sewer boy.

Lugh's avatar

They destroyed the Bahrain base. They have powerful weapons alongside the crap. Russia gives them the good stuff.

Paul B. Cohen's avatar

Every drop of blood shed in Gaza is on Hamas and its supporters and enablers. Same goes for Iran and the IRGC regime. That means YOU are responsible.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

CGTN America - A leaked video showing Israeli soldiers sexually assaulting a Palestinian detainee... | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1256723089819603&id=100064457719397

Strange Bedfellow's avatar

That, and stuff like it, will probably be irrelevant to Paul B. Cohen. It's all about doubling-down for some people, no matter what.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

No, it doesn’t mean I'm responsible. I'm not a supporter or enabler of Middle-Eastern non-Christian religions or of Arabs or other Middle-Easterners. I don't even like them. It seems to me that they are analogous to the Yugoslav and French partisans who fought the Nazis in WW2 but that doesn’t mean I support them.

Lugh's avatar

Israel has bombed many Churches in Gaza and even in Israel. They always say it was a mistake, you know, just like when they bombed our ship, The Liberty. Fools never learn.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Is it also correct that they've bombed many schools and hospitals as well as churches and have used the "missile gone awry" fabrications an excuse?

Lugh's avatar

Of course. Moral people never claim to be moral. They never stop reminding us that they are more moral army in the world. Thus they are the opposite.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

If their army is so moral, why is there video and other evidence appearing to show soldiers engaged in homosexual rape and/or sexual assault? This is reminiscent of American soldiers at Abu Ghraib but this time it is not Americans who appear to have committed heinous crimes. How is this moral?

CGTN America - A leaked video showing Israeli soldiers sexually assaulting a Palestinian detainee... | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1256723089819603&id=100064457719397

Cindi's avatar

I agree, Miss Rodeo - in addition to a long standing tradition of propaganda (on both sides in any conflict) + AI, I don’t believe anything right out of the box.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Ah, the classic "Iranian missile gone awry" defense—because nothing says "reliable" like a ballistic missile that miraculously decides to U-turn and obliterate its own girls' school full of kids, while the US and Israel are busy launching a massive precision campaign in the same region. Spare me.

Let's dismantle this fairy tale with a few inconvenient facts:

Iranian ballistic missiles (Shahab, Qiam, etc.) have notoriously poor accuracy outside a few hundred meters CEP at best—often 500m–1km or worse for older models. A "poorly controlled" one drifting off course might cause damage, but the Shajareh Tayyebeh school was directly hit multiple times with catastrophic precision (satellite imagery from Planet Labs/NYT shows clean, targeted detonation centroids on the school building itself, not scatter or peripheral blast). That level of accuracy screams precision-guided munitions (PGMs), not a runaway Iranian rocket. The damage pattern is inconsistent with a failed launch—those usually explode mid-air or crater widely, not demolish a specific building repeatedly with surgical hits.

The school was not struck once—multiple impacts, including direct roof penetrations and sequential strikes. Iranian missiles don't loiter and double-tap; US/Israeli PGMs do.

Israeli strikes were concentrated in western/northern Iran (missile sites, nuclear facilities); the south (Hormozgan/Minab area) was US domain, per CENTCOM statements and official briefings on targeting IRGC naval bases in the Strait of Hormuz region. Minab's IRGC naval complex was hit simultaneously—US assets were active there.

A barrier wall separated the school from the base for a decade (Google Earth/Satellite records)—if it was a "mistake," it required ignoring obvious civilian infrastructure right next door. US boasts "thread a needle from 10,000 miles"—yet we're to believe they "oopsied" into a school repeatedly? Implausible.

The weight of evidence—satellite imagery (NYT, NPR, Planet Labs), timing/location alignment with US strikes, precision pattern, multi-hit damage—points overwhelmingly to an intentional American strike. "Failed Iranian missile" is the comfort blanket for those who can't face the mirror. The US adopted the Dahiya doctrine (deliberate civilian suffering to deter)—they just swapped Beirut suburbs for Minab schoolgirls.

No Iranian missile failure does this. It's precision sadism with plausible deniability. Classic American exceptionalism. 😏

Ben's avatar

Do please post this swill at least 10 more times for the spammer award of the day.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tkE1dI_fAEI

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

I know more about military operations than you'd and in particular about war criminals.

This came out about 3 hours ago and the suggestion that the US "mistakenly" targeted the school is a murderer's pathetic defense, after the failure of the "missile gone awry" bullshit. CNN is a propaganda or gan of the Trump regime. The US are war criminals of the worst type. The US was too cowardly to sign up to the ICC but this US Uvalde level cowardice needs to be prosecuted in a Nuremberg type tribunal.

Iran school strike: Analysis suggests US was responsible for deadly strike | CNN https://share.google/OFkoKH7NTF2DRK1ZZ

Ben's avatar
Mar 7Edited

CNN is as anti-trump as any newsy outfit out there.

HAHAHAHA

You might be the most clueless shill on this message board and that is an epic feat of ignorance on your part.

The new Bagdad Bob has arrived and nothing but a troll.

Mute incoming.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Check out the video. The "Iranian missile misfire" bullshit is revealed as an attempted cover up by murder apologists. The "mistake" claim is also bullshit. You are a depraved psychopath.

A look at evidence linking U.S. to Iranian school strike | PBS News https://share.google/04QIZ7hqEZ9h9cLsS

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

It appears that to date at least four Iranian schools have been attacked during Operation Epstein Fury (Minab, 2 in the Parand area, Tehran’s Shahid Hamedani). The UN has verified at least 13 health facility attacks in Iran during Epstein Fury. These attacks have followed SECDEF Hegseth's criticism of constraints of international law in the form of rules of engagement.

This PATTERN, which is already evident after only one week, points to intentional war crimes and undermines the plausible deniability advantage from selecting a school target located close to a military installation.

The pattern is evidence of who Americans, under the present administration, really are. Americans are terrorists who deliberately targeted civilians.

Further, in the US, under Article 120b of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (10 U.S.C. § 920b), sex with 12 year olds is lawful for Americans who join the US military and marry or  are married to the young boy or girl. If you don’t  believe me look it up. There’s even a Wikipedia entry about it. Child marriage is legal in 2/3 of US states.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Exclusive: US investigation points to likely US responsibility in Iran school strike, sources say | Reuters https://share.google/OMCXAdZkwLX62yCgk

Paul's avatar

You can always tell when someone has never read a history book when they assume everything happens with intent and purpose.

Freedom 4 conservatives's avatar

Wars, even expertly fought ones, cause collateral casualties. The leftists, Trump haters, and Jew haters glom onto that every time. Of course, they ignore the hundreds of thousands of Iranian citizens that the radical Islamic regime has killed in its reign of terror against anyone who opposed them in Iran itself, much less the people that the radical Iran regime has directly or indirectly killed in the rest of the world. Now, if the U.S. wanted to wage an all-out war against Iran and its entire population, it could have fire-bombed every major city in Iran the same way the we did in Japan and Germany in World War II. The U.S. did not do that in Iran on the hope that likely the majority of the Iranian population were unwilling subjects to a violent dictatorship. After Iran's radical leadership and its military capability is destroyed, we'll see if that hope was justified.

As for the U.S. leftist scumbags and their leftist scumbag media hacks, they pose a greater danger to the survival of the American Republic than those mullahs did in Iran. If you doubt that assertion, watch what happens if the SAVE Act actually becomes law, essentially dooming the Democrats from being able to rig elections in their favor. There will be a violent leftist uprising in the U.S. to rival that which occurred to start the Civil War. The cold, hard fact is that the only time that Socialists aren't outwardly violent is when they are allowed de facto dictatorial control over everything. And when they are in de facto dictatorial control, Socialists don't become non-violent--they just use the government to use sanctioned violence to target their opponents--"re-education (meaning you do exactly what the regime says or you die) camps", or just outright government violence directed at opponents of the regime.

Make no mistake, Socialists are my sworn enemy--they intend to take my wealth; extinguish my freedoms; indoctrinate my sons, daughters, grandchildren; destroy my country; oppress those who believe as I do; persecute me for my religion and spiritual beliefs; and emasculate me from being able to defend myself from their regime or their enabled criminal thugs. Today, the Democrat Party is dominated by either Communist/Socialists or Fascist/Socialists. Both ideologies are toxic to a Republic, and the Democrat Party is now a toxic mix of both. The Democrats showed what scum they nearly all are when many Democrats took sides to support murderous Iran in this war, and when they took sides with illegal aliens (and ALL illegal aliens became criminals when they entered the U.S. illegally--some just went on to commit more heinous crimes against American citizens) over American citizens.

Liber8or's avatar

True that. Bernie Sanders, Mamdani, AOC, Tim Walz, Ilhan Omar and a half million Somalis in the U.S. Enemies for sure.

William Bogert's avatar

A thousand thumbs up! Comment of the month!

Lugh's avatar

Why not fire bomb American cities to get rid of them?

Nomad Freedom's avatar

Americans are tired of these regime change wars. No one wanted this, and orange boy promised no new wars. They want to leave Iran in ruins, turn it into a balkanized basket case ruled by a puppet. And all this chatter about bringing Iran freedom seems delusional. People have very short memories. Countless lives and billions into the abyss to bring Afghanistan freedom, and look who's back. That's right, the Taliban.

JohnAZ's avatar

That is because they did not wipe out the Taliban.

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

WRONG...

That is because they COULD NOT wipe out the Taliban!

With all their high-tech weapons, the Yanks were defeated by guys with AK-47's. LOL

But they have a ton of high-tech weapons and HUMVEES now ~ all left by the Yanks.

JohnAZ's avatar

Yup, no,argument. Like Vietnam, Afghanistan was a short run of shock and awe, followed by the Americans crawling into safe places in cities with no control of the countryside. We need to destroy the other side before we leave, a lesson never learned. I hope Iran is different.

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

The real problem was the military ineptitude and cowardice of the US troops which let down the allied soldiers who were also fighting the Cong and the Taliban. They were superior soldiers but there in smaller numbers and led to defeat by cowardly, dumb Americans.

Paul B. Cohen's avatar

Speak for yourself. It’s presumptuous and a false argument to say “no one wanted this.” And your suppositions about what “they want” are just that - evil surmisings.

Dennis L. Merwood's avatar

It’s presumptuous and a false argument to say “Jesus died for our sins."

Remember, Jesus died for our sins. If you don’t sin, Jesus died for nothing.

If one repents, his noble misery and righteous torment will have been for NOTHING.

Lugh's avatar

John has learned well from his masters. He's not Christian any more. Is he still American? Huckabee isn't.

Ben's avatar

neither are you.

Lugh's avatar

You just agreed with me about Huckabee. You just conceded the argument.

Ben's avatar

Nope.

Used your own false argument against you as you are not American even though you pretend to be one.

Why?

What is the point in charade?

I am not a huge fan of Huckabee no skin in that game either way.

Beth Nicolaides's avatar

I hope we can focus enough to pass the SAVE America Act, that's for sure. It looks as though Thune is playing hardball with it, demanding that Trump endorse Cornyn over Paxton, which sounds like a recipe for more incrementally or even stagnation.

Can it be passed in a meaningful way? I don't know. I just read this morning that DOGE cuts were pared way back to mostly foreign aid spending, and instead of the promised 2 trillion in savings, we get 20 billion. I guess that's something. Maybe denaturing USAID alone was worth it.

UncleBob9's avatar

Paxton said he'll drop out if Cornyn will support the SAVE Act. Cornyn, douchebag that he is, and Thune, being Cocaine Mitch's protege, have no intention of passing the SAVE Act and cutting off their (and their friends') access to graft.

Skenny's avatar

Not passing the SAVE act would constitute the last nail in the country's coffin..... incomprehensible to anyone resembling a patriot.

Ben's avatar

Yes, I don't get it!

Pass it only a corrupt idiot thinks people should not prove who they are and that they have the right to vote in this country.

JohnAZ's avatar

Ben, we are seeing the true extent of the Deep State. They are the people that believe that power belongs in the federal government and will fight for their little Rome on the Potomac over anything else. This is the real domestic war.

Tapestrygarden's avatar

It is. USAID has been a grift for decades.

Ben's avatar

For trillions!

William Wallace's avatar

A major disappointment, the American Taxpayer is being ripped off by unimaginable Government Grift and Corruption from their Local Through the State and our Federal Government.

The Save Act is an important piece towards helping the People reign in this disaster affecting our nation and its future!

bill “TX Sasquatch”'s avatar

Not one mention of Netanyahu and his goals to take over the entire ME. And using the Epstein files to force Trump, and others in DC to attack Iran. "With our greatest ally". Now Israel is bombing Lebanon, but MSM ignores this.

Kunstler is brilliant, but not showing it here. But, it's in his DNA to side with Israel.

James Howard Kunstler's avatar

This narrative of "Greater Israel" -- Israel seeking to take over all the territory of the Middle East -- is preposterous. Why would Israel wish to occupy and attempt to govern tens of millions of hostile Arabs?

elysianfield's avatar

"Why would Israel wish to occupy and attempt to govern tens of millions of hostile Arabs?"

Umm, why would they then wish to occupy Israel, and attempt to deal with tens of millions of hostile A-rabs?

Lugh's avatar

As John says, they're not following God's orders to kill them all or at least all the men. They're afraid of what we would think. How weak is that?

AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Didn't Ambassador Huckabee, during his interview with Tucker, say words to the effect that it would be fine if they took the lot. And isn't that based on the idea that their deity gave them that land? And couldn't the tens of millions of hostile Arabs be forcibly relocated or ethnically cleansed? And, hypothetically, if an extremist party were to take power and seek to forcibly sterilize or exterminate them, who would stop them? Nobody. They would be able to do it. It would be a fait accompli.

Lugh's avatar

They're not even hiding it much anymore. For awhile the IDF were wearing patches of the map of Greater Israel on their shoulder.

JohnAZ's avatar

C’mon, JHK, you are trying to be logical here. These haters will never, ever listen to reason, they are blinded by their hate.

Horace the Menace's avatar

Why did they wish to occupy Palestine and attempt to govern the people who had lived there peacefully for millennia?

Ben's avatar

Peacefully my ass do you have any understanding of what an absolute shit show the middle east has always been but especially after Mad Mo the pirate invented his final revelation?

Holy shit man.

Horace the Menace's avatar

I should have said centuries rather than millenia :-). You are of course correct that things were fairly wild for quite some time. But there had been peace - at least in the Palestine region itself - under the Ottomans for quite some time prior to the zionists showing up.

Horace the Menace's avatar

With all due respect, the desire to occupy Palestine appears to have pre-existed 10-7-23 by at least a century and a half, and the actual practice of occupying Palestine began eight or so decades prior to 10-7-23. So that doesn't really seem like a sound explanation.

Ben's avatar

More like 2,000 years.

Horace the Menace's avatar

I agree that that is highly likely. I'm sticking to the trivially proveable claim here though :-)

Howard Skillington's avatar

Two years ago you claimed, unconvincingly, to have never heard of the idea of Greater Israel - a cherished goal articulated by the founding fathers of Israel and acknowledged by many Zionists since, including Huckabee and Netanyahu.

No, Israel would not want to govern the Arabs they dispossessed, They never have. They just kill as many as possible and drive out the rest.

Ben's avatar

Yet here we are the incoherent bleating that out incessantly with zero thought about what it would really take.

They can't even deal with a couple million "Palestinians" much less annexing half the sand box.

Lugh's avatar

But they are dreaming of it and making maps of it. So you admit they are fools?

Ben's avatar

More like war gamers.

The only fools I see here think Iran is winning.

Paul B. Cohen's avatar

While this is a demonstrably false theory, why would anyone in their right mind not want more Israel and less of the miserably failing nations surrounding Israel?

Lugh's avatar

Maybe the non-Jews who live there?

Horace the Menace's avatar

And maybe the Americans who are taxed to death to fund Israel's existence?

Paul B. Cohen's avatar

The Arabs in Israel don’t want to live in “Palestine” or any of the surrounding Arab countries - in fact many of them came from there. But you’re not interested in the truth. I’m writing for any non-deranged people who can assimilate facts and reason.

Horace the Menace's avatar

Ahh. The poor old deranged people will have to manage without your glistening pearls of godlike wisdom. Oh woe are they :-(.

In other news black people in America loved their slavery and a large majority would much prefer to bring the institution of slavery back. I'm writing for the same non-deranged, fact-and-reason-assimilating people you are. Perhaps we can team up and work up some good stuff together?

Paul B. Cohen's avatar

If the shoe fits….” You reject the facts i gave you?

Horace the Menace's avatar

What facts? That Palestinians Arabs don't wish to leave their home where their ancestors have lived for thousands of years? No - I believe that.

Or are you trying to suggest they are happy with folks running things these days?

Howard Skillington's avatar

Typical Zionist bigotry. More people like you, Cohen? I'd rather have a dose of clap.

Paul B. Cohen's avatar

Clap is a lot easier to treat than what you’ve got.

Howard Skillington's avatar

I appreciate your kind concern, Cohen, but I'm fine, thanks.

Mrs. SOB's avatar

Your comment makes me laugh. We used to say, "you watch too many movies" but now I think we could say, "you watch too many podcasts." ✌🏻

Ben's avatar

Yep, a universal abject hatred of Jews and Israel.

Usually with a side dish of hate America.

Most of these people are irrational.

Lugh's avatar

Yes, America has finally turned against Israel for the most part. Thank God. It took long enough.

What do you think of Marine who was silenced and had his hand broken for protesting this insane war?

JohnAZ's avatar

They are haters.

john galt's avatar

Sadly, even tragically, our worst and most pressing threat is not China, Russia, or even Iran, but the deranged leftist/marxist Demoncraps pressing destruction of our country. Their disdain for any move to improve our country and the citizens lives is too manifest in their destructive actions. Trump must be destroyed for his temerity and gall in stopping their grifting and corruption train they have so long pilfered the nation with. Those who supported him must be punished as Susan Rice so clearly broadcast. Concentration and re-education camps so favored by the communists and their kissing cousins, the Nazis, two competing ideologies of pure evil now joined by the Demoncraps. Do you still wonder why they continue to fight so hard to destroy the Second Amendment and your freedom of speech, as well as your family and children with trans support and importation of many millions of illegals that they literally fight to keep in our country against the wishes of the majority of American citizens. This is the fight we cannot afford to lose.

James Howard Kunstler's avatar

John Galt -- I have messaged you privately before to quit making those stupid political puns -- "Demoncraps." If you can't follow a simple rule, I'm gonna toss you outa here.

William Wallace's avatar

We are also suffering from now, Senator John Thune’s, UniParty Grifters busy preening while hiding behind the Leftists Agenda careening towards the desired Democrats Socialist Destruction of our Constitutional Republic!

Senator Thune procrastination around the People’s Save Act, for fair and honest elections could very well replace, Benedict Arnold’s, “The Nation’s Greatest Traitor”moniker for our next 250 Years.

The Arnold Generations past and future would love to lose this infamous notoriety.

We The People through Government Grift have almost lost our Freedoms and our Rights to our Representatives.

They have flipped the outline of our Founding Principles to their own financial Benefits!

Praying Senator Thune’s Patriotism is greater than his perceived Personal Political Gain!

Sheila Barkofske's avatar

A number of commenters seem to be proving your point. Darwin Awards abound. Particularly the “However,I find myself hoping Iran kicks our barbaric asses into the Stone Age”. Imagine rooting for an enemy makes Jeffrey Epstein look good. Maybe we should bring back loyalty or sanity tests. As for me, compared to the 75 years of totally incompetent political leadership (with the exception of Trump) I have lived thru, I suspect the price of eggs will be going up —- given the current supply will be on a lot of faces.

Jack's avatar

Jim, early returns of comments confirms your diagnosis of the widespread insanity that has been inflicted upon the population by: the press, the democrats and the rinos.

Dan Henry's avatar

Delusion is not a strategy.

Iran hasn’t, at least as far as we have been told, launched cyber attacks yet.

Nor does anyone know how many missiles they have, where they are or what they can do. If they did they wouldn’t be carpet bombing Tehran they’d be hitting those weapons.

As much as Israel is clamping down on the media it appears they are taking serious hits. How long you think they are going to hold on being on the receiving end? The last time they lasted less than 2 weeks.

Nor is there any real understanding of what Iran’s asymmetrical capabilities are or the lone wolf attacks like just happened in Austin, TX. If the U.S. starts getting hit by a couple of these or one mass casualty event here in the U.S. you think the people aren’t going to hold the idiots in DC responsible for their monumental failures. Or as gas climbs above $4 a gallon - in CA it is almost at $8!

You have the cuck in the WH claiming the MIC will ramp up production. Really, with what? We gutted our industrial base decades ago. Not to mention we are $39TR in debt and he wants to create more debt doing his masters bidding as the economy is cratering.

The desperation of those behind this latest neocon debacle is palpable because in the dark recesses of their limited minds they know they have fucked up hugely.

rd3's avatar

"they know they have fucked up hugely."

I think the term is "bigly." Definitely "bigly"

Lugh's avatar

They're caught in their own web of "perception is reality". If they can just fool enough people that it's not happening, it's not happening. Or enough people that they're winning, then they're winning. Shoah business!

The Jew always goes too far, pulling defeat out of the jaws of victory - Ernst Zundel

IAN2364's avatar

"The desperation of those behind this latest neocon debacle is palpable because in the dark recesses of their limited minds they know they have fucked up hugely." ~ Dan Henry

Indications are that the conflict with Iran isn't playing-out as Trump envisioned.

I had hoped that there would be Iranian leadership that would make a deal with Trump. Trump is now talking about unconditional surrender. The last hope for a deal will be if the West can take-out Iran's means to wage war in the next few days, and some leader steps up to make a deal. If that doesn't happen, I think the world is looking at WWIII.

Trump needs to work some magic at this point in time, but it is not a good look when he snaps at Peter, nor when Reza Pahlavi is being promoted, nor when there is talk of boots on the ground, nor when the carrier Bush is being sent to the region.

BREAKING: Reza Pahlavi 'Accepts' Transitional Leadership of Iran https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPRqex321yo

... and why would this information be released, other than to intimidate or threaten: US B-2 Stealth Bombers Just Did Something HUGE to Iran https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knLZOVh3jWs

... and Gilbert Doctorow's push that Putin needs to get serious about dealing with Ukraine, and realize that Trump is not his friend: Pressure mounts on Vladimir Putin https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2026/03/03/pressure-mounts-on-vladimir-putin/

Oil has spiked. The general markets appear on the verge of a correction, and whether or not that transpires, then they will "sling-shot" due to currency devaluation (or not, because the system has been gamed to perfection, and derivatives are the tail that wags the dog: How Wall Street Took Over Bitcoin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJwwVcdHlV0 ) .

FWIW

Are the general US markets on the verge of a correction? https://share.google/aimode/VT8ZUvEVi1syJ5P4V

... and

Iran, The Last Domino In The New World Order https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3jFsdHNSfA

Armstrong had a discussion with Mike Farris on Monday. I find these discussions excruciating to wade through, but there is information in this one to be gleaned. Martin talks about growing up with some of the neocons, so he offers some perspective in that regard.

Iran Wants the Shia Muslims to Turn this into a Religious War Across the Region- Martin Armstrong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqMvS4crHKI

IAN2364's avatar

"Iran hasn’t, at least as far as we have been told, launched cyber attacks yet." ~ Dan Henry

... and what is "plan B" when they start broadcasting public executions of hostages?

Thanks to the likes of Jeffrey Sachs and Susan Rice, USA is one spark away from a civil war.

... and today I hear that Iran will no longer attack neighboring countries that are not hostile to them (choose your side).

Dan Henry's avatar

What are you talking about? What hostages?

The issues roiling the U.S. are more expansive then chirping by Sachs or Rice.

Iran hasn’t attacked their neighbors, they attacked U.S. military installations and other assets that are found within their borders.

If are treasonous President had remembered who his duty is to this debacle might not be churning away.

IAN2364's avatar

I consider Trump as leadership who has ascended from the rank of civilian, and until he is handed a slate that has not been bastardized, I will defend his actions with few exceptions.

"2. Jeffrey Sachs: The "Global Pressure" Architect

Sachs is viewed as the intellectual enforcer of the 2030 Agenda. His role is to ensure that even if the U.S. government pulls out of the UN, the rest of the world's financial systems keep the pressure on.

The Critique: Sachs has called the current U.S. administration's approach "extraordinarily dangerous and delusional". He argues that the U.S. is "in an open war against the Sustainable Development Goals" and has "dragged its feet" on implementation for years.

The "Sucker Punch" Interpretation: Critics see him as someone who encourages international financial flows to be tied to SDG needs, effectively bankrupting or de-platforming any nation or company that dares to follow a "Nationalist" or "America First" path.

3. The Power Gap: Why it Feels Like a Betrayal

The sense of being "sucker punched" comes from the realization that elections may not change the system.

The "Deep State" vs. The "Global State": If a citizen votes for a "New Golden Age" of deregulation and energy dominance, but then finds their employer or their bank is still following 2030 Agenda mandates because they fear Rice's "accountability" or Sachs' "global finance" rules, the voter feels their vote has been neutralized.

The Consequence: This creates a world where sovereignty is an illusion, because the real rules are being set by a network of corporate boards, international banks, and unelected advisors who remain in power no matter who the President is." ~ AI

"An objective discussion on this would likely need to highlight these specific points:

1. Jeffrey Sachs: The "China Success Story" Advocate Jeffrey Sachs has been one of the most vocal Western supporters of China's model.

His Stance: Sachs argues that "China is not an enemy" but a "success story" that the U.S. views as a threat only because of its economic rise.

The 2030 Connection: He actively promotes a partnership where China provides the capital and technology for the Global South (Africa and Asia) to develop.

The "Sucker Punch": For those concerned about China, Sachs’ vision looks like a managed decline of American hegemony in favor of a "multipolar world" where China is the primary engine of the 2030 Agenda." ~ AI

https://www.kunstler.com/p/a-campaign-of-bad-faith-and-ill-will/comment/219722464

Dan Henry's avatar

Your strawman of focusing on Sachs is nothing more than obfuscation and not a very clever one. Sachs profile on social media does not translate into actual influence nor power.

Trump is the globalists pawn and he has betrayed the one meaningful cohort of Americans who stood in their way - MAGA.

Thankfully, a growing number of MAGA has now recognized Trump for who he is and that his objectives are not in their best interest nor that of the U.S.

Alas, you don’t appear to have caught on.

As for China - who was it that helped build China up to where it is today? That would be the U.S. plutocrats, bankers, TechLords and their owned politicians - all supporters of globalization.

So this false dichotomy you present is just more than kabuki theatre to keep the masses diverted and confused.

Life is actually a very simple equation. There are those with power and those without. And if those without power hope to survive they must wrest it from those who are bent on enslaving them.

IAN2364's avatar

AI response:

"The provided response is logically flawed and rhetorically aggressive. It relies on several informal fallacies and unsubstantiated generalizations that weaken its attempt to debunk the claim about Jeffrey Sachs.

Here is a breakdown of what is wrong with the response:

Misuse of the "Straw Man" Accusation: The responder calls focusing on Sachs a straw man fallacy, but fails to explain how the original claim misrepresented an argument. If the original claim was simply a profile of Sachs, focusing on him is not a straw man; it is the subject of the discussion.

Ad Hominem Attacks: The tone is condescending and insulting (e.g., "not a very clever one," "you don’t appear to have caught on"). By attacking the messenger’s intelligence rather than the merits of the "Global Pressure Architect" claim, the responder fails to provide a substantive counter-argument.

Dismissal of Influence: The claim that Sachs' profile "does not translate into actual influence" is an unsupported assertion. As a world-renowned economist and Director of the Center for Sustainable Development at Columbia University, Sachs has a documented history of advising heads of state and international organizations, which contradicts the "no power" narrative.

Red Herrings (Deflection): The response pivots sharply to Donald Trump, the MAGA movement, and "TechLords." These topics are irrelevant to whether Jeffrey Sachs is or is not a "Global Pressure Architect." This is a classic red herring designed to shift the focus toward the responder's own political grievances.

False Dichotomy and Oversimplification: The responder labels the original argument a "false dichotomy" but then creates an extreme one: "Life is actually a very simple equation. There are those with power and those without." This ignores the complex nuances of global economics, diplomacy, and institutional influence.

Conspiratorial Language: Terms like "U.S. plutocrats," "TechLords," and "enslaving them" rely on emotionally charged, conspiratorial rhetoric rather than verifiable data or logical proof."

Dan Henry's avatar

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

A 2025 study of eight AI search tools found that, taken together, they were inaccurate about 60% of the time on tested questions.

en-ki's avatar

I have always loved Kunstler's opinion on most everything, delivered with informed panache. Where I break ranks with him is his support of the murderous, apartheid nation. Iran has, in modern memory, never attacked another country. Contrast that with Israel.

Iran has aligned itself with those opposed to the Greater Israel Project. I would say good going considering the absolute slaughter in Gaza and some 75 years of oppression, land expropriation, not to mention murder

IGW's avatar

Tribe runs deep

Luke's avatar

Cam Higby is a neocon douche bag but then again so is Donald Trump. He truly is a fool. This became clear when he thought offering insurance would solve the problem (Strait of Hormuz). But you see, it doesn’t. You can print money but you can’t print Ship Captains and Crew.

Congrats neocons, now we are all fucked. I don’t see any off ramps. After double crossing Iran multiple times (rest of the world too), blowing up school girls, and killing Supreme Leader, etc why would they stop now? Answer is they won’t.

I’m quite certain Russia will have something to say about re-supplying them if necessary. God knows they owe us big time.

Oil is headed for $150 and there isn’t a goddamn thing the orange dumbass can do about it. I voted for him 3x so what does that say about me? Yeah he fooled me, but I am not completely stupid.

At least Israel is getting shellacked. There has never been a more deserving entity, or vile one. From what I understand their defenses are nearly down. Iran doubled their bomb payloads yesterday.

Global recession in 2 months. 6-12 months away is hard to say how bad things get. Trump will be 25’d before midterms. This is all predicated on Israel NOT nuking Iran yet. They are cowards at their very core tho. They might and stick it to orange man one last time get him to do it for them lol. Lotta that going down lately.

Sorry for the rant…..Trump played us all. Truth be told he got played himself. He truly is driven by ego and turns out not really all that intelligent.

This probably doesn’t have a happy ending.

Lugh's avatar

Israel will say, Trump made us do it. They are already preparing the ground for this, making Trump say that he is in control - which he loves to pretend anyway.

Paul B. Cohen's avatar

Clever and devilish of you to edit your statement to nullify my response. Exposed by your evil behavior, not just your hateful rhetoric.

Ben's avatar

Yep, the idiot award of the era.

They have single handedly activated every neighbor in the region who might have been on the fence but now wants to see Iran defanged.

I still say all those countries that "invested" in America actually invested in America to take out the Iranian government.

Dollyboy's avatar

How’s that working out for you Ben?

Ben's avatar

Navy sunk...running low on launchers....running low on drones.....running low on missiles....running out of water....talking about turning in that 60% refined yellowcake....losing Karg Island...two entire sets of leaders vaporized...third leader not showing his face....if that is winning would hate to see what losing looks like for them.

PSSTTT the mullahs are losing in every way and clinging to relevance I bet they are desperatly looking for the Mossad agent that is giving up the good intel on their flailing failing government.

Hint: it's the people tired of living under a repressive theocracy.

Dollyboy's avatar

All of that is wrong. I'll check in with you in a month and ask the same question. I bet Iran still stands, Israel is still being hit and Trump will have declared victory and fled the battle.

Lugh's avatar

Israel can sue for peace again, but it will not be accepted. The war ends when Iran decides they have been punished enough.

JohnAZ's avatar

Based on what? Iran is winning? That is so preposterous it borders on stupid humor.

Dollyboy's avatar

To win for Iran will be to survive.

elysianfield's avatar

John,

It depends upon what the definition of "is" is.

By what metric do we define "winning"?

JohnAZ's avatar

Winning is regime change to pacify the Gulf. And not until, half way is the death of American foreign policy.

elysianfield's avatar

John,

Got it. Regime change. It will fail to pacify the Gulf, as regional issues are of metaphysical discord, not politics or simple human greed.

Ben's avatar
Mar 6Edited

See Iran turned into another Iraq with all their neighbors fighting in it.

I hope not either way the theocracy is on its way out as a government and good riddance I just hope something worse is not put in its place.

Dollyboy's avatar

Well if it does go that way we can blame those who invaded.

Ben's avatar

Perish the thought of ever holding Iran accountable for all their bullshit, lying, and supporting regional terrorist groups.

Dollyboy's avatar

You seem tense Ben. What “bullshit and lying” are you referring to? As far as terrorism goes - can't hold a candle to the USA. Biggest terrorist on the planet by a looonnngg way.