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John Schrauth's avatar

California, the great "tech capital" cannot process a simple election in under a week, a month, two months.....?

Ben R's avatar

It takes time to count ballots till the desired outcome is reached.

A Democrat wins despite all other costs.

John Schrauth's avatar

I see once again these ridiculous daily "ballot drops" where the media wait for some supernumerary to come out and announce "we have 24,000 ballots counted today" or "we have discovered some ballot boxes that were misplaced," usually two or three weeks/months after the election) and every vote was for the Democrat.

Last night's drop of 24,000 mail-in fraud papers had ZERO votes for Pratt and Raman is supposedly catching up by leaps and bounds. Benny Johnson has a clip out showing him at a port-a-potty 26 "voters" are using as the address for their mail-in ballots. Judicial Watch has filed a suit demanding California delete 872,000 phony registrations. Were I Trump, I would be sending in the US Marshals and seize everything and put all the election officials "under the lights." Since we are all about transparency I would live stream the whole thing.

Sammy Snake's avatar

I feel it is more serious than US Marshalls. These states are in a state of Communist insurrection and voter fraud underpins Communism. But it is beyond voter fraud. The Democrat Party is now a Gay/Race Communist Crime Syndicate. Utterly hell bent on revolution.

patrick.net/memes's avatar

Yes, but the Republican Party proves every day that they simply will not use their majority in Congress and man in the White House to fulfill any campaign promises.

I have to conclude that it's all a kayfabe.

Cankerpuss's avatar

The Republicans are worse than the Democrats, IMO. Democrats don't hide what they are or what they are doing. The Republican filth pretend to be different but in reality they do exactly the same thing as the Democrats. I believe the Republicans are nothing more than handsomely paid vocal opposition to the Democrats. They say things but their actions demonstrate that they intend to do nothing. Want proof? Look at the Save Act and what the Republicans are NOT doing.

We the people have been duped, bamboozled, defrauded, whatever you want to call it. Until we wake up and make a conscious decision to starve the beast or harpoon Leviathan, it isn't going to change. BOTH parties will continue to run the printing presses and steal OUR wealth waging illegal wars in foreign countries so that Raytheon and Lockheed can continue to make record profits.

We are the idiots because we keep running to the polls and voting for the guy with the D or the guy with the R thinking we are going to make a difference. How long must we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot before we figure out that it hurts?

JohnAZ's avatar

It is because Trump’s worst enemies are in his own party. So far, he is getting a lot of them fired in the primaries. Bill Kristol just announced he is a Democrat. IOW, he is rooting against the USA.

When does hatred turn into treason?

patrick.net/memes's avatar

Seems like the opposite in a way. Trump is eliminating his best friends, like Massie and MTG, because it pleases Israel to get rid of everyone who is not Israel First.

JohnAZ's avatar

The whole scene is a warning of the decline of the US economy and a deepening of the separation of the haves and have nots, the income divide , in the country. The psychology of the country is changing from work ethic, entrepenuerism, individuality to a you owe me, centralized, gimme welfare state. The Dems left the working class behind when they figured out that the accumulation of gimme classes was going to give them more votes than unions.

What is anyone doing about the de-humanization of the US, heck, global economies? Nothing! Trump has been trying to bring manufacturing back, deals, tariffs, but now we have the dawn of AI which is going to destroy the last bastion of “good” jobs, the white collar post-university job market. The prophets have put out their doomsday forecasts about AI with very little response. We have warnings about what the “tooling up” of AI systems is going to do to our resources, yet no response. Why, because the Joe Average voter has nary a clue about what is happening. All he sees is the erosion of economic power he has and thinks that voting for Democrats is going to fix everything. He cannot face up to the battle that IS coming because he does not understand what is coming.

To JHK, I believe that the surprise to your 2005 TLE forecasts that fracking made, will be offset by AI water and FF requirements and will put us back on the 2100 forecasts of depletion you have warned about. The difference is that the middle class will be decimated and Brave New World will be imminent. Will Captain Picard be right and will money and wealth no longer be utilized?

Ron Anselmo's avatar

Edit:

First paragraph, second sentence:

From: "...country is changing..."

To: "...country has long ago changed..."

JohnAZ's avatar

No argument, but IMO, it is accelerating due to the Biden invasion.

Dianne Warner's avatar

John Az, this is quite simply the most disturbing reality in the history of the world and yet as you see…no one, even here, mentions this or reacts. These five or so psycho billionaires are allowed willi nilli to inform us all ‘oh by the way’ you are facing doom. And only the mammoth data centers using imminent domain to literally mow down locals and lawsuits, captures a part of the American awareness that their fundamental rights are quickly and secretly being overtaken by a gruesome techno-feudalism, one armed with drones and some with nuclear munitions.

Oppenheimer was watched and regulated every second of every day by the Army, by Truman. These people seemingly answer to no regulations and plan to take over our currency, jobs, water, land, and autonomy. Astounding! In my opinion, media is being gagged by President Trump and he must be complicit- though he carries on somewhat as usual and ‘oblivious’ to ai. After all- they literally brag about their bunkers. Bizarre no one except on social media, seems aware of what Musk predicts, “It could be the end of humans. And if it’s not we will provide UBI”. 1,000 a month. Straight ahead communism.

JohnAZ's avatar

Worse than communism.

I laugh when the UBI promoters say that it will free us up to do more aesthetically pleasing stuff to do. Hahahaha.

Here is the problem, as JHK describes with entropy. As things become more productive, the need for human labor declines. There has been a movement for fifty years to move jobs from manual labor to “brain” jobs, higher paying and less physically taxing. Well, AI is after those jobs. Musk just replaced 12 line jobs with 12 robots. That is actually 36 people as the robots will replace 3 shifts. Competition will force others to follow, nations as well as companies.

IMO, everything that MAGA is against regarding the centralization of economic power will be brought in with AI.

My daughter is telling me that kids in high school and college are starting to be monitored for using AI to do their work for them. Hmmm, I wonder what that will do the the plaigerism laws.

Ben R's avatar

100% accurate assessment.

Be sure to fill in the Jorge Fernandez types of the world.

They seem to think there is zero difference between the Democrat crazies and the Republicans.

Cankerpuss's avatar

And they Republicans aren't? They are the opposition and what are they doing to stop it? They won't pass the SAVE ACT. They won't send the Federal Marshalls to clean up a State election. The Republicans are useless charlatans and hypocrites. Nothing more and certainly no better than the Democrats.

JohnAZ's avatar

Unanimity is a clear sign of corruption, so much so that the crooks wait until the very end to “count” the votes that locks in urban elections. The only reason Trump won in 24 is that the margins were too big to hide with bogus votes without giving themselves away. Here, though, we are talking about California, the ultimate Dem machine. You can bet that in the 40% of votes that are uncounted, the machine is figuring out how to make enough votes to get both GOP guys out of the November race.

A give away for me was the 100% unanimity displayed by the Deep State judiciary when reviewing the investigations of 2020. In a free society, there is never, never 100% of anything, not one single objection. The Dems screwed up by making it 100%.

patrick.net/memes's avatar

But maybe that 100% is a deliberate in-your-face demoralization tactic.

UncleBob9's avatar

California is still using the Demicrat model of decades ago. El BJ lost a primary race when late votes allowed his opponent to overcome a lead and win. A few years later, El BJ pulled the same stunt in a Senate primsry and eon by a small margin, something lime 100 votes. Texas being a Democrat state at the time, einni g the orimary meant he was going to the Senate. Anyway, that close margin is why he was nicknamed "Landslide Lyndon." Later, he began showing his genitals to the press to show them how well-endowed he was, and supposedly plugged damn near as many women as Wilt Chamberlain -- in the thousands. And here, you thought Middle America was always moral....

Ben R's avatar

But Gavin signed a law making it a felony to do anything without court orders.

JohnAZ's avatar

Ben, it shows what happens when one side has control for too long. The Bush boys, being RINOs on the Dem side did the same thing to the Deep State.

JohnAZ's avatar

Too much political power in California, they would run the country if the Dems had their way, no senate, loaded SCOTUS, no electoral college. The corruption that is California would be nation-wide.

MarshaLouise's avatar

Great idea. Propose it directly to Trump on Twitter or Truth Social.

Gwennie's avatar

That is certainly true in Fulton County, Georgia.

Ben R's avatar
Jun 5Edited

They did the same thing to ensure Gavin was not unseated as grand poohbah of californicated.

Damn the torpedoes's avatar

Whereas the entire country of Brazil can do it under 3 hours!

Steve (recovering lawyer)'s avatar

The use of "cannot" seems inaccurate, since events would require the use of "will not" in its place. Or so it appears to me.

John Schrauth's avatar

Would that not also change it from gross incompetence to criminal conspiracy?

Steve (recovering lawyer)'s avatar

If it quacks like a duck.....

Torrance Stephens's avatar

Well said.

Just sharing -In the modern world of American politics, many do not understand the importance of prioritizing, or even how to prioritize, especially progressives.

https://torrancestephensphd.substack.com/p/when-progressive-policy-priority

Gwennie's avatar

I'm pretty interested in the intersectionality of Islam and capering drag queens that is occurring in New York, It is an amusing spectacle for now, in the blood-free days, will be less so, I imagine, when the slaughtering starts.

Richard C. Skidmore's avatar

Yes, CIA Director Casey never denied saying it...

1981 "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."

On-going in 1981, likely complete 45 years later!

Ben R's avatar

It already did, but they used cars, trucks, and airplanes.

Danimal28's avatar

Props to real reporters like Nick Shirley and Andy Ngo!! And James…

Danimal28's avatar

Indeed. So many to list that AREN'T of the legacy media. Taibbi is great because he lived in Russia for 10 years.

Gym+Fritz's avatar

We can’t be a great nation without an honest media, fair elections, sound financial policies, and a proper sense of fairness, and right & wrong.

rd3's avatar

We can't be a "nation" of any kind with 100 million foreigners living in our midst.

Ben R's avatar

Many of whom refuse to work and get free medical, while the rest of us pay through the nose for substandard medical insurance.

Thanks to Obamacare, everyone's standard for health care has plummeted, so some don't have to pay for it.

rd3's avatar

American health care was destroyed intentionally. The results speak for themselves. The WWII generation lived into their 80's/90's, the Boomers are dying in their 70's, and most Gen X won't make it out of their 60's. 10% of the kids I went to HS with are dead already and I graduated HS in the mid-90's. Drugs and suicide.

Kathy S.'s avatar

A lot of the premature deaths we're seeing now are related to the Covid jabs. There are books about it, new reports coming out all the time, and I have seen it with my own eyes.

Ron Anselmo's avatar

See the book Cause Unknown by Ed Dowd. Wraps up *Covid* *vaccine* deaths and disabilities with a bow on top.

The numbers are out there, he just happened to consolidate, document and graph them.

To Wit: Nearly 3800 deaths on Day 0 (Day of vaccination), and Nearly 3000 deaths on Day 1 (Day after vaccination)

They are fucking criminal murderers, all. We complain. Same as it ever was, no one has the will to do what needs to be done. Some day, some will. Bank it.

Cankerpuss's avatar

We are leaderless, divided, bickering fools who can't come together on anything. One day we figure this out and finally unite. But, before that happens, it's going to get much much much worse.

JohnAZ's avatar

The Deep State wants socialism, including some form of NHS for medicine. The Covid situation showed the disaster that government, ie political, control of medicine can cause.

Truly Truthteller's avatar

There is a new trend of clinics opened by groups of doctors who are tired of the insurance companies and open-ended diagnoses and treatments dictating prices.

I read of one clinic in Oklahoma City where some doctors and nurses made agreements, and placed ads on the Internet.

The first phone callb

calls was a woman calling from Florida who had been told an operation would cost her an estimated $X1 with $X2 deductible. The anesthesiologist picked up the call. She explained her situation. He put her on hold, then called participate. (and presumably nurses) that would paticipate, asking what they would charge. Presumably adding something for the operation room and equipment, he gave her a price for all of it.

She exclaimed that it would be less than her deductible! So she got the operation with them, and with that cost, plus paying for a couple of days, was still less than the other deductible!

rd3's avatar

The vast majority of them are on some type of welfare. Even years after they arrived here. The rest are running some type of scam or practicing slavery in order to outcompete actual Americans who don't have that luxury.

Ben R's avatar

Chaldeans in El Cajon were getting 5k a month tax free for five years.

They all but own El Cajon.

They were also involved in gambling, extortion. drug dealing, running whores, and every other racket you could ever think of.

https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2011/08/18/dea-san-diegoel-cajon-pd-arrest-60-nine-month-operation

Meanwhile they said...

https://www.kpbs.org/news/border-immigration/2011/08/24/chaldean-community-says-it-was-unfairly-singled-ou

Kind of reminds me of the fiasco in MinneSODA dontcha know.

patrick.net/memes's avatar

My mother-in-law is Armenian. I've learned that Armenians in LA also have a lot of rackets going on, like hospice fraud.

I think any tightly endogamous ethnic group is prone to organized crime, because no one inside the group will talk, since that would mean ostracism.

JohnAZ's avatar

One cause, the Deep State.

Bird Cradle's avatar

My engineering degree can't get me work, and I haven't seen a doctor in 30 years.

patrick.net/memes's avatar

Health care could be fixed via the free market, but prices are hidden and variable to prevent market forces from working.

If all non-emergency prices had to be presented and signed by the patient before treatment, people could shop and drive down prices.

But this is the nightmare of the entire medical establishment, and they have the lobbying power to prevent it.

It would also help to require that everyone be charged the same price regardless of whether insured or not. If you have insurance, great, but that should not affect the menu of prices charged by the doctor or hospital.

What we have now is like being forced to eat at a restaurant that has no menus and getting charged some random price.

JohnAZ's avatar

The AMA is a union, providing entrance requirements for MDs. They have control of the price list for medical treatment, too, there is no free market.

Cankerpuss's avatar

Was in the grocery store behind some people who spoke Spanish, obviously from somewhere south of the border. It took 20 minutes to get them out of the check out line. Why? Because they were paying for everything with WICK checks and EBT cards. The husband was probably in his 20s and looked fit as a fiddle. The wife was a chubby round ball with a head and protruding arms and legs. She didn't look like she was missing a meal.

Why were they using welfare? Why are they here?

We could resolve this situation quickly by simply cutting off the benefits. They'll go home on their own because they can't function here. Not even willing to learn a little bit of English.

All of our problems could be solved if we just did it. Sure, some people are going to hurt, some are going to blubber, piss and fart about the injustice. Just cut off the benefits. Tell them "no more" and they'll leave. But we won't do it. Too much corruption. Too much money grubbing. Too much filth. Our country has a cancer and it isn't the immigrants. Its those who foster this kind of welfare and immigration fraud. It's our fellow Americans.

Ben's avatar

I think you mostly mean Democrats.

A Republican coming out saying they support welfare for illegal immigrants would be crucified, unlike a Democrat.

Cankerpuss's avatar

Republicans have the power right now and they aren't doing anything about it, Ben. The cancer is both political parties and the lust of money.

JohnAZ's avatar

An education system aimed at mediocrity DEI will make the kids equal to the 100 million invaders. No problem, right?

Wonder where those dead scientists are going?

Jerri Hinojosa's avatar

Much easier for the NEA and teachers to meet their goal of “equality” that way, right?

JohnAZ's avatar

A very good point. My daughter, a teaching coach, has said for years that they are continuously coming up with new teaching techniques. Here is an idea. Seeing as test scores have steadily gone done since Carter brought in the Dept. of Education, why don’t we just eliminate the federal control, give it back to the states, and reset techniques to 1950s. ABCs only, no psychology, no letting the kids educate themselves, no critical thinking until middle school, American culture teaching, no DEI, no bussing, federal supervision of where the money goes to,ie no ghetto schools. Early memorization of math facts, grammar, just about everything the NEA has put into the curriculum.

JohnAZ's avatar

My last sentence was composed wrong. The NEA has done everything they can to oppose old time learning.

Kathy Christian's avatar

You should look up Dr. Duke Pesta. He teaches college sophomore English. He's said that the students in his class have never read a book and can't read a paragraph. He has a good video on his site where a black student in a black high school gave four other students a simple English sentence to read, to demonstrate how they've been failed by the education system, and none of them could read it. And these were high school kids. In a few short years, they're going to vote. They won't understand the issues, and won't be able to read any referenda on the ballot, but they'll vote.

JohnAZ's avatar

And protest along with Soros et al.

Think about what retarded means, stunted, held back, unable to perform in society.

Are these kids mentally retarded if they are not educated? They are indoctrinated by a bunch of illiterate teachers, so they are fodder for the global elite.

AND, will it be easier to justify the use of AI if the nation is stupidified?

Jerri Hinojosa's avatar

That seems to be the main objective of the teachers’ unions, NEA and Democrat leaders. Not only that black Americans will remain a underclass, but that every person in the state run education machine will end up dumbed down enough to vote for their own destruction.

Damn the torpedoes's avatar

Makes you think of the end of Atlas Shrugged, don’t it?

JohnAZ's avatar

Logic says, who will benefit from the loss of these people?

patrick.net/memes's avatar

True. A nation is by definition a large group of people sharing common genetic origin, or at least that's how the etymology goes.

Japan is a nation. America is a country.

JohnAZ's avatar

America is staring to prove that it is not even a country but a diverse group of people that do not want to do anything with each other. Its dissolution is probable. Look at what is happening right now, how many of theses anarchists would fight to defend this country? What is the Dem goal, to destroy a strong America.

patrick.net/memes's avatar

Yes, I think it's probable America will start to fall apart the way the Roman Empire did.

Too much wealth attracts too many outsiders who arrive to share in the wealth without any concern for the principles which allowed the wealth to accumulate.

On the other hand, the Byzantine Empire lasted until 1453, due partly to the fact that they consistently refused to debase their currency.

JohnAZ's avatar

You are right. The Romans fell apart because too many outsiders watered down the patriotism of Rome. Today, do you owe allegiance to the USA, a political party, the Deep State(which is not the USA), or the global socialist(communist or fascist) scheme. Or even the global warming confederation?

Along side is the income divide which ultimately causes all dissolutions.

JohnAZ's avatar

The question was rhetorical, not aimed at you.

Lugh's avatar

The Old Romans had a system: Join the Legion for some 20 or so years and you came home and were given a few acres. In other words, you could be somebody and not just an old soldiers telling stories in the tavern. But the land all got owned, the lion's share by the Elite, and veterans came home to nothing. So they adapted and didn't come home, settling in lands in which they had served with their comrades, marrying local women. Rome's great loss.

patrick.net/memes's avatar

It's hard to feel patriotism toward a mere economic zone where there is little common history or ancestry.

The income divide can in theory be fixed by democracy, because the poor are far more numerous than the rich, and without expropriating anything:

- mass deportations of all criminal aliens (aka "illegals") to raise wages and lower rents for actual citizens

- tariffs on foreign goods made with cheaper labor, to raise wages here

- complete elimination of the Federal Reserve and its replacement with nothing, to stop the inflation

- definition of money to be 0.9999 silver by weight alone, no "dollars", also to stop the inflation

- the Georgist Land Value Tax to discourage boomer squatting at the expense of the young

- elimination of income tax on actual work and all sales tax to boost incomes and spending power of the young

Lugh's avatar

No, that's what a country is as opposed to a nation. Try clear thinking for a change.

patrick.net/memes's avatar

A country is land, a nation is people.

country is from "contra terra"

nation is from natio, being born into the group

JohnAZ's avatar

Okay. What defends the idea that the USA is a country? I also believe that a nation’s Origen was a family or an ethnic grouping. What makes the USA a country?

Border control?

Common culture?

Unity of purpose?

Common language?

Natives had nations.

Dearborn and Minneapolis are becoming Muslim nations

BTW, IMO, from these descriptions, a prime goal of the Lefty-Left is the destruction of the USA as either a nation or a country. Try putting together in your head exactly what the goal of the Lefties really is. If California is a stepping stone, I know what they are after.

Lugh's avatar

I was talking to John btw. Your initial post made clear that you knew the difference. His response made it clear he didn't get your post.

Mun’s Frolick's avatar

Or honest citizens ….

Cankerpuss's avatar

Ha ha ha. Surely you jest! And no, I'm not calling you "Shirley. "

I believe it was John Adams who said that the US Constitution would only function with a moral and righteous people and that it is wholly inadequate for anything else.

Are we a moral and righteous people? Not hardly.

A righteous people would not tolerate a wicked government.

Americans are far too tolerant of the slavery that has been heaped upon them in the form of income taxes, property taxes and government regulation.

We deserve what we are going to get and it ain't going to be pleasant.

Jeff the Original's avatar

The honest media is under attack by this administration. I'm still waiting for proof that the 2020 election wasn't fair. I would agree with needing sound financial policies.

Regarding fairness and right & wrong...aren't you concerned about the injustice happening when the Administration is blocking the full release of the Epstein files? I mean...didn't Trump run on releasing them?

Ben R's avatar

Millions of pages released, where have you been, TDS boy?

Jeff the Original's avatar

3 million of 6 million. If there was a coverup...I'm guessing they would release the documents that don't implicate important people but retain those that did.

You see? That's where your guys' arguments always fail...in consistency and equal application against both parties.

You'll claim in a heartbeat that 2020 was stolen without any evidence but because it's Trump...you'll take a 50% turnover as a 100% turnover with the Epstein files.

You congregate here because this is where no one will question your bad logic...except a few of us....fighting for the actual truth.

Lugh's avatar

The Democrats are massively involved. Surely you don't think it's just one "side"? Ever hear of the Deep State? The Uniparty?

Jeff the Original's avatar

So...you think that Trump, who owns the DOJ, isn't involved with the cover up?

If Trump wanted those files out and promised this on the campaign trail...why would he say something to a MSM reporter like "Are you still asking about the Epstein files? That's old news."

That doesn't seem like he's trying very hard to overrule the deep state to me.

Besides...you guys invented the Deep State to prolong your belief that the Dems actually run the government.

If the Dems ran the government...Trump would NEVER have been elected.

Damn the torpedoes's avatar

He wasn’t, in 2020. But we’re on to you now.

Lugh's avatar

Names all blacked out. Can you try harder?

Ben's avatar

Oh dear you even hate the color black I see.

Did you throw all the crayons out with color or did you just eat them all?

Lugh's avatar

You have no answer so you do this. You lose. Again.

Ben R's avatar

Stupidity on display. If they release an unredacted name and someone gets beat up or killed what happens as a result brainiac?

BILL COWAN's avatar

"Honest Media" ? ? ? ! ! ! 'AM DAY' . . . Glad I stopped by this morning . . . "HUMOR" is GREAT for the soul . . . I'll be able to smile for the rest of the day, HA H A A A A . . .

Jeff the Original's avatar

If you're visiting this site and thinking y'all have the inside scoop...yah...I'm not surprised you find that humorous.

So...on an article that openly alludes to the 2020 election as having been stolen and that 1/6 was actually a Dem plot...you are accosting me about "honest media".

This is our country dude....and we need voters that follow the facts not the conspiracy theories.

This is like the National Enquirer back in the day. Any Elvis sightings lately?

JohnAZ's avatar

YOU are a victim of the media conspiracy. Ever wonder why the Democrat (actually Lefty-Left) taglines are displayed by every single news outlet, including Fox, at the same time saying exactly the same thing.

The control of the American press is the biggest propaganda machine in history. Remember PRAVDA? The national News agencies, like Gannett are exactly the same.

I understand your TDS mentality just automatically signs up the the bullshit that is put out daily.

Jeff the Original's avatar

Apparently you haven't read anything about the Fox News Dominion case. There you go...that's a factual comment with evidence.

Your claim of media control of the MSM has no basis other than claims by conservative outlets.

JohnAZ's avatar

That is bs. The entire media is an arm of the Deep State. Ever wonder why the media, the federal judiciary, and the northern Virginia based bureaucracy is so Democrat? It is because the MAGA desire to down size the government is a threat to their livelihoods. With the exception of Fox, or maybe 50% of Fox, conservative outlets are few and far between. This country is controlled by the Deep State.

JohnAZ's avatar

Like so many contrarians, you pick out one example in a sea of bullshit. In a world of green, you see red.

Ben R's avatar

Yes this Jeff guy is a complete lying Democrat shill.

JohnAZ's avatar

Yup, and his history does not explain his contrary nature. I have a neighbor who is exactly the same.

Ben R's avatar

In otherwords they are lying to get people to see their warped point of view with the " I was once one of you and now I support the crazy Dems because orangeman bad"

Yes the more they claim it the more we know they are shilling and lying.

Jeff the Original's avatar

I have a suggestion there, Ben. Go into my profile and look at my posting history. You'll see a ton of my posts on substack's "To The Contrary" a site created by Charlie Sykes (ex-GOP talk show host). Most everyone who posts there...are center left, center right or ex-GOP guys...like me.

Go read all my posts there and you will find out that I'm exactly the same guy who's posting here. You might also find out that there are a lot of ex-GOP guys out there...just like me...who are not Dems, but cannot handle the current version of the GOP.

Of course...that's a lot of work. Probably easier just to believe your own theory, huh?

Jeff the Original's avatar

Yes...OMG....you got me. My life just isn't complete unless I'm coming here to act like someone else in order to convince you to support the Dems.

You can look back at anything I've posted and you will not find one post encouraging anyone to join or support the Dems. You probably will find a post saying that the Dems are more truthful than the GOP these days, but from my perspective...that's less an endorsement of the Dems and more an indictment of the GOP.

You guys are unbelievable...you would rather make shix up than believe the truth in front of you.

JohnAZ's avatar

The media is under attack by the administration?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

You are a freaking joke.

Rosemary B's avatar

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Jeff the Original's avatar

Glad I could make your day. Any time you'd look to have an actual back and forth conversation to discuss what are facts and what are not...I'm game.

Of course, I can already hear the old "I couldn't possibly have a factual conversation with a <insert MAGA insult term here> like you"

Scott's avatar

I'm always amazed when I run across someone that doesn't think our elections are rigged. What's going on in California right now is so blatantly obvious, but some still won't see it. TPTB don't want dirty voter rolls and mass mail in ballots and month long elections so nobody gets "disenfranchised", they just want to cheat. Don't you know that?

ezinmn's avatar

Even the Polymarket betting site knew a few days ago that the California election was rigged, with wagers being placed on knocking out the Republicans just at the finish line.

JohnAZ's avatar

One Mail-in drop in LA had 24000 votes for Bass and 0 for Pratt. That is out and out corruption.

Scott's avatar

100% This is a statistical impossibility. So obvious, yet the MSM (or should I say CIA Mockingbird media) literally is saying today that the California election is being "falsely accused" of being fraudulent and rife with cheating. Makes me sick how dishonest they are. They are a huge part of the problem

Jeff the Original's avatar

Once again...there's always an initial claim of voter fraud that you guys will absolutely take to your graves as "proof" followed by an investigation detailing a reasonable explanation for what happened that you will never believe or take seriously.

You guys are political check valves...the only theories you will believe are the ones supporting your political biases. PERIOD.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2026-06-05/how-simple-mix-up-fueled-false-conspiracies-about-la-vote-count

Jeff the Original's avatar

Let's clarify my position on this issue. I didn't say that our election systems are perfect. I didn't say that some level of fraudulent behavior doesn't exist.

What I will say is that the 2020 election wasn't stolen (based on evidence provided to date) and that no existence of substantial election fraud has even been proven.

What I'm amazed at is when the 2020 claims were levied at the 3 swing states in question and they did go into full audit/review mode...the elections were again verified as being pretty damn accurate.

Yes...voter rolls and mail-in ballots will always be magnets for conspiracy, but how the HELL do you want me to believe that they are fraudulent if you can't bring any cases through the legal system proving it?

I watched as Rudy Giuliani went to court with an armload of affidavits claiming that people saw "nefarious election stuff", but when the Judge pushed back with some very basic questions about the veracity of the claims...Giuliani couldn't provide a decent answer. They judge properly threw out the case, but it's not the court's job to disprove the claims...it's the people who pushed the case job to PROVE them.

Rusty Bowers, a long-time GOP guy in AZ, described the pressure being placed upon by the Trump campaign via Giuliani. During this discussion, he said that he pushed back on the veracity of what Giuliani was claiming and Giuliani admitted that they had a lot more claims than evidence.

Do you really want our country based upon claims or evidence?

JohnAZ's avatar

Today, watching the federal judge system, what is the difference?

Kathy's avatar

You seem like a very nice misled person. All of the information is coming out you will get your wish. The mainstream media is nothing but gaslighting. Whoever listens to it is getting bamboozled every single day. There’s definitely forward momentum on the good guy side that’s going to prove all these dastardly acts. President Trump is going to absolutely secure our elections. Wake up. Stop being stupid.

Jeff the Original's avatar

I was GOP for 30 years and used to listen to Limbaugh and watch Fox News almost exclusively. For 8 years from 2017-2025...I visited Fox News on a daily basis and compared how they covered the news vs. the MSM. The way that Fox News and the GOP covered for Trump at the beginning of his term was so brazen and so extensive that I left the GOP. For the remainder of the 8 years...I tried my best to point out where Fox News was not reporting on something important, focusing intentionally at the wrong thing or just basically manipulating the news.

So many of you haven't actually done your homework...unless you think homework is opening your mouth and allowing conservative media to fill your beak like a little chick being fed by its mama.

Stop pretending like you know something and quit hiding out here with all your other flat earther friends. I challenge you to do what I did...go out and follow the news by watching both sides of the fence. Until then...you are the ignorant one.

Ben R's avatar

None of the above is true.

Jeff the Original's avatar

Wow...so it's easier for you to believe that I'm making shix up than to respond to my posts with cogent and intelligent responses?

You guys are SO gone....

Imagine how stupid and hard headed you appear to me when all I've done is simply tell the truth including my background.

BTW...watching both sides of the news is a good practice whether or not you heard it from me. That's just common sense....but NONE of you do it. Your lips are glued hard to your conservative news sources...including this flat earth society site.

Jorge Fernandez's avatar

JHK's insistence that "DEM bad, REP good" is well past its expiration date and has, as a result, developed a strong, repugnant odor.

I've tried many times, all without success, to educate Mr. JHK on the fact that DEM and REP are *equally* bad, in that they are both puppet assets of the Globalist Cabal - working for 'them', not for us. 100 years ago that certainly wasn't the case. Today it's a fact that only myopic people cannot see.

So I admit defeat. Could anyone else give it a try with Mr. JHK? Perhaps you'll succeed where I failed.

Ben R's avatar

Tammany Hall and Boss Tweed were in full swing, so the 100-year-old statement is completely erroneous.

Feel free to read up on it and get back to us with a new assessment of when things were actually right.

I suspect once you do some actual digging, you will find there is nothing new under the sun, and self-serving politicians have been around just as long as the world's oldest profession.

Jorge Fernandez's avatar

The sole reason why you're totally wrong is that 100 years ago the Globalist Central Bank Cabal did not yet exist. Try reading my comment *without* rabid bias.

Ben R's avatar

The creature from Jekyll Island....derp derp derp.

Again, you unmask yourself as ignorant.

Globalism and all its trappings is well over 100 years old.

Jorge Fernandez's avatar

[sigh ...] You're not listening. The *CONCEPT* of Globalism -- a system that owns and controls the entire planet -- goes back to the scriptural Nimrod, if not earlier.

But the Globalist Central Bank Cabal - the one that I'm speaking about - is less than 100 years old (formally established probably sometime after WW2).

You may believe as you wish. Feel free to have the final word - I'm done here.

Kathy Christian's avatar

Yes, I'm figuring around 1947. That seems to be the year a lot of what we see today started. In anticipation of Israel becoming a state again after 2000 years, which was a prophecy given by God to them. So mechanisms to try to prevent that from happening we're created. Because if that prophecy came true, then all the rest of them will, too. And that had to be stopped at all costs. Hence, the Holocaust and WWII.

Jorge Fernandez's avatar

1947 is certainly a likely date. Bretton Woods was in 1944, and it was right around then that the Global Central Bank Cabal became a recognizable entity. The IMF and the World Bank were formed at that time. They've been expanding ever since.

Ben's avatar

No, I am not listening, I am reading your schlock.

Now that I see you don't understand the difference, it makes sense why you are so far out in left field all the time.

Continue wallowing in being wrong.

Foxtrot Victor's avatar

The federal reserve was established in 1913 by an act passed on Christmas eve when most were away and a secret meeting on Jekyll Island. See G E Griffins book based on Eustace Mullins original research.

Jorge Fernandez's avatar

The *CONCEPT* of Globalism -- a system to own and control the entire planet -- goes back to the scriptural Nimrod, if not earlier.

But the Globalist Central Bank Cabal - the one that I'm speaking about - is less than 100 years old (formally established probably sometime after WW2).

P. Robert Thorson's avatar

I'm of the opinion that the "Puppet Masters" running the show with their connections and Uber-Wealth have been busy making the masses dance for close to 5,000 years now. The big changes over the last century or so have been related to mass media (radio, TV and the Internet) for delivering the narratives, a sharp rise in the standard of living for the middle class due to tech and cheap energy, followed by the contraction of the economies of Western Civilization due to resource depletion and the failing of the American Empire.

Their gang hasn't evolved quickly enough to stay hidden in the shadows as their presence became obvious with the takeover of mainstream news and which drove many researchers to leverage the Internet for alternative sourcing. Now the race is on to roll out digital IDs and currencies for extreme control of individuals, use the military machines for extreme control of natural resources, and be ready to throw the switch to turn off the Internet and cell phones to maintain extreme control through the coming collapse. And, as a side note, control-cubed will allow population reductions.

It's difficult to keep up with it all, or come up with a meaningful plan to isolate yourself from the chaos. I have little faith justice will be served for those guilty of election fraud or psyops dealing with "insurrection". They will turn into distractions like the Epstein files.

Decline is continuing, and the fallout from the Adventure in Iran is just beginning. Nobody knows exactly how it plays over the next few years, but markets and economies are unstable, supply chains are breaking, "elections" don't seem to offer any serious candidates, inflation and deflation are more volatile, the masses are at each others' throats and we're well past the top of the roller coaster. Hang on!

Jorge Fernandez's avatar

I agree - they have - but not as a single global entity. Headquartered in Basel, Switzerland, that is what they are today. Yes, there remain "lone wolves". George Soros may (may!) be one of them.

Mind you, NOT everyone is a member. But well over 90% of the world are members.

Proof? Remember the COVID Crime. What happened around the world, how it happened, and when it happened all points to a central command center operating to fulfill common goals within an agenda.

I'll say no more - lengthy topic.

KevinM's avatar

Globalism has been around in the sense the Rothschild being one of the first the other the Vatican(was Catholic) and some say we the USA went from a Republic to a Corporation after the Civil War that's 150yrs just the CW and the RC go back centuries.........then you have them answering to Lucifer himself.

Jorge Fernandez's avatar

Oh yeah, in any form, Lucifer is a common element of Globalism.

Len Penzo's avatar

Are the DEMS and RINOs both globalists? Yes. Are they equally bad? Absolutely not.

If the only choice on my ballot is for a globalist stooge (D or RINO), then I will pick the team that openly declares there is only two genders, believes in personal responsibility and self-reliance and, despite the enormous obstacles, tries to stop illegal immigration, eliminate DEI, expose government fraud and waste, and keep drag time story hour away from my kids.

Jorge Fernandez's avatar

You shouldn't publicly display ignorance or rabid bias. There are DEM that are far better than certain REP, just as there are REP that are far worse than certain DEM - that is a provable fact. E.g., MTG, as a DEM, was far better than REP L. Graham ever was or is.

Your mistake is sticking to the DEM v. REP{ paradigm - an outdated, erroneous belief.

Len Penzo's avatar

Ignorance? That's an ironic accusation coming from someone who claims MTG was a Democrat.

And I'm not sticking to any paradigm. I'm stating obvious facts: It is Democrats who are responsible for open borders, DEI, and pushing drag queen story hours, critical race theory and pornography in schools. Your mistake is walking around the US with your eyes closed.

Ben's avatar

Jorge is wrong across the board.

Jorge Fernandez's avatar

Oops! Thinking of something else - serves me right for not checking before posting. Mea culpa.

But do note that my argument remains standing, namely, there are many (most!) REP that I wouldn't allow to set foot in my home. There are also some (few!) DEM that I would welcome into my home. But that's moot.

The point is, DEM or REP is NOT the deciding factor. BOTH parties are equally corrupt. You want to argue that one party is "more corrupt" than the other? Fine, knock yourself out. It doesn't matter - BOTH parties are taking the US down the path to Hell. Easily provable - just pay unbiased attention.

As for your second paragraph, it is absolutely ridiculous. Trump & Gang have LIED about 99.9% of what they promised. Remember "Lock her up"? Remember "I (Trump) will release the Epstein Files"? Remember "no more wars"? Yeah, right.

Lies, lies and more lies. Folk like you just cannot accept reality.

Ben R's avatar

Arrogance squared exposed.

Rick's avatar

There is a choice now? It's called MAGA! BOOM!

Jorge Fernandez's avatar

Surely you jest! One of the largest criminal enterprises today in the USA is Trump & Co.

JohnAZ's avatar

They are nothing compared to the Deep State. You continue to divide things with the old Dem. Vs. GOP paradigm when today’s US is Populist (MAGA, Tea Party) versus government (Deep State) division. Yesterday’s vote in the Senate on SAVE is the perfect demonstration, four RINOs voted against election credibility, Take a guess: Collins, Murkowsky, Tillis and McConnell.

The real divide is between individual thinkers and the centralists with control of DC in the hands of the centralists.

You are 100% wrong about Trump’s desires as opposed to the control that the Deep State has over him. The real decline of the US is due to a worsening economy and desperation by a population to find a fix by a central government and being too dumb to realize that it is that government that is the cause and not the solution.

The Deep State is in control right now thanks to RINOs.

Jorge Fernandez's avatar

OMG, are *you* ever lost!!!

Ben's avatar

Mister perfect decrees such, while being completely lost himself.

Rick's avatar

No ! It's that he's doing business in the open according to American Law ? HELLO Otherwise he'd be in Jail.

patrick.net/memes's avatar

How did they flip Trump so completely? His first term was quite good, but now he just seems like a puppet playing for time while everyone figures out that he's not doing anything he promised.

JohnAZ's avatar

It is a mystery. I hope it is because there are legit reasons for some of his puzzling decision making, AI being number one. The quitting of the war is number two. His deal making is just encouraging the regime and discouraging the opposition. ????

Jorge Fernandez's avatar

No mystery. Simply change the objective to the source of the order givers.

Jorge Fernandez's avatar

Trump was NEVER "good". He's just one hell of a pretender & salesman.

But the mask came off, for those looking.

BTW, I voted for Trump three (3) times - 2016, 2020, 2024. *BIG* mistake!! The correct move was to not vote at all - not participate in what is clearly a totally corrupt electoral system.

JohnAZ's avatar

Lots of dictatorships to expat to to avoid having to vote.

Mary Ann Biermeier, M.Ed.'s avatar

Yes, let us look at policy changes! Call it "oversight" and "measuring outcomes". I would add a few more to your list:

McCain-Feingold 2002 "Campaign Finance Reform" that created nightmare PACs and endless soft money for campaigns. End it now.

Bring back Glass-Steagal 1933 provisions that separates banking from investment houses. Recover our banking system from the money-laundering relationship between appropriations and Wallstreet.

Enforce the Clayton Act 1914 that prohibits monopolies. End the oligarchy Pharma, Chemicals, Agriculture which have essentially merged into one ugly beast. Break it up.

Fire all Congressional staff and "Representatives" that oppose the SAVE Act. We see clearly both DEMs and REPs that have failed the People.

Kathy S.'s avatar

Mary Ann, if you're not a regular reader of Karl Denninger at market-ticker.org, I highly recommend him to you. He really expands on your point about the health-care cartel. They're violating U.S. laws, and even the Supreme Court has said so, twice. And yet... no enforcement of the law against them. And the health-care cartel, as Denninger shows, is THE cause of our out-of-control, ever-accelerating national debt, and hence, our looming national bankruptcy. If nothing is done to enforce the law and break up the felonious medical cartel, our whole economy WILL collapse -- with all the consequences we can imagine.

tom clark's avatar

It's a good thing we still have freedom of speech in this country because now we now know who all the idiots are.

Ben R's avatar

Seems like half of them post here in Support of the DNC and Iran.

Jeff the Original's avatar

I haven't seen one post supporting the DNC or Iran. I do see posts questioning our strategy with Iran....but not supporting Iran.

Ben R's avatar

And if you cover your eyes, the world ceases to exist, right?

Jeff the Original's avatar

Wow...is that your actual response?

The sad part is that you actual believe your own BS. That's your problem...not mine.

Ben R's avatar

Says the guy slinging BS.

Jeff the Original's avatar

Stating that we didn't have a very good strategy in attacking Iran...that's not supporting Iran.

That's a fact...not BS.

But...you probably still believe it when Trump says..."We almost have a deal..."

Don't blame me for pointing that out...that's on you and Trump.

tom clark's avatar

Life is short, Ben. Eat dessert first.

rd3's avatar
Jun 5Edited

My grandfather told me that. He was in France in WWII and a barn he was in got blown up. He and one other guy lived. Everyone else died. Part of his leg got blown off and he took shrapnel through the arm. He told me after that he always ate the chocolate bar out of his rations first.

Ben R's avatar

Dessert shortens life.

Eat protein and Fiber and pretend its dessert.

rd3's avatar

Eat more fat and cholesterol. Red meat and dairy is food fit for Western man.

Garry Blankenship's avatar

Now fairly characterized as a senior, in my childhood and youth the news was just that. The "news" reported things that were happening locally and globally. In my world the "news" was also fact. With unrealized skepticism in my young and middle aged adulthood it was not until our infamous "pandemic" that my awareness of being media fed lies was in fact, fact. Too many examples for comments and my keyboarding skills, so I offer one example. Rachel Maddow on CNN emphatically pounding on her desk and shouting "if you get the "vaccine" you will not get COVID and you will not transmit COVID". Was that a lie ? It sure as hell was not the truth. Is it Pfizer that advertises on CNN or visa versa ?

Lugh's avatar

Rage casting. They must have upped her testosterone shots.

Demeter's avatar

I used to like Krugman, but somewhere, during the turn of the century, he got hit by a bus or something, and hasn't written a word of sense since.

Lugh's avatar

The mask slipped and he revealed who he was. Not one of us. Not Clan. Not Western.

Robert McClellon's avatar

There is no opposition party without DJT

Mike McAdams's avatar

I have no justice fatigue. Meaning- i have heard about corruption in the government for the past 20 years and absolutely nothing is done to bring the liberal commies to justice ; rather it is the innocent ones prosecuted. It truly is theatrics to keep the masses off balanced and controllable.

Don's avatar
Jun 5Edited

Happy Gay Pride Month.

Among the high-profile gays in Trump’s administration: Scott Bessant, Secretary of the Treasury; Richard Grenell, in charge of the Kennedy Center; and undersecretary of State Jacob Helberg.

And of course, that oddball billionaire geyser of GOP campaign contributions, Peter Thiel.

John Schrauth's avatar

Bessent and Grenell are exceptionally competent. Bessent is probably the best Treasury Secretary in the history of the Republic. Grenell once said gays in the Trump administration were there because they get the job done, unlike Democrat Administrations which used gays as props. Grenell said "we don't have an office with a Pride sign on the door saying here's our gay appointee."

GonzoDon's avatar

Wait: you’re telling me that gay people can sometimes be the most competent people in the room?

Next thing you know, you’ll be trying to tell me that women or Black people or Muslims may be the most competent doctors, soldiers, agency directors, generals, or intelligence officers. What’s the world coming to?

Lugh's avatar

If they are White or Asian, why not? Race is more than skin color, Gonzo.

MarshaLouise's avatar

They are privately gay, not out doing drag queen shows…let them be. Flaunting it creates problems, so live and let live. God will judge.

GonzoDon's avatar

So do you also protest heterosexual people who “flaunt” their sexuality by kissing in public, dressing in scanty provocative clothes, and dancing in a sexually suggestive manner?

You might as well just write off the entire countries of Colombia, the Dominican Republic, Cuba, and Mallorca, then. Not to mention ban old Elvis Presley and Marilyn Monroe movies. It’s a wild and dangerous world out there.

Lugh's avatar

And they should be able to adopt children too, right Gonzo?

Don's avatar

Yes, I believe heterosexuals should be able to adopt children.

Lugh's avatar

Say it aint so!

MarshaLouise's avatar

GonzoDon, I use the word “flaunt” in a manner to refer to behaviour not normally proper or not generally acceptable. What you suggest is that I think heterosexual activity is not normative, but I believe it is acceptable always within bounds.

Lugh's avatar

Heterosexuality can be tolerated then - as long as they know their place?

MarshaLouise's avatar

You know and I know that we expect everyone to know their place, but…

Lugh's avatar

But who has the pride of place? No one, right? Nothing normative. Just private as the Iron Lady raved. The Wisdom of Hell.

elysianfield's avatar

"If you seek to understand why the American public is so deeply bamboozled, it is largely the utter failure of the news business."

Utter failure if you believe they act with good intent.

Utter success if you believe otherwise.

Tx Rogers's avatar

The positive thing about America is that it exports so little these days. It also produces most of the world’s imbeciles. The current village idiot playing Commander-in-Chief is a case in point.

The only culture in human history that went from barbarism directly to decadence- and managed to completely bypass civility. It’s been noticed and finally rejected.

All is contained. All is well.

One of our submarines is missing tonight……

Paul B. Cohen's avatar

Is there no one close to you to administer medicine for your delirium?

Ben R's avatar

There is no cure for the virus called TDS; once it is acquired, it appears to be lethal and slowly eats the brain.

Jeff the Original's avatar

I'm guessing there's no chance you'll pause for a second and look in the mirror and realize that perhaps it's YOU that has the problem?

I don't know...for the rest of us...all we see is a bunch of people who demanded the Epstein files be turned over to expose the pedophile Dems...and now that Trump's the POTUS...you've slowly changed your minds about that. Why?

Ben R's avatar

Because the control of the data was not properly protected in the chain of custody.

Nothing in that mess can be trusted or even verified as accurate.

A name on that tarball of nonsense now goes to be used to destroy people who may or may not have been doing anything wrong.

If you had a shred of understanding as to what intel agencies are now willing to do, this would be self-evident.

Jeff the Original's avatar

Ah perfect...now you're saying it's all bad data. Wow...well...do you mind having it released so it can be independently reviewed and allow the public to determine this or not?

I mean...that's fairly brazen for you to making that claim without actually having ever seen the data in first place isn't it?

Are you getting paid to generate conspiracy theories or is this just something you do for fun?

Ben R's avatar
Jun 5Edited

It's called common sense, something you appear to lack.

Peepee tapes

Russia Russia Russia collusion delusion.

Steele Dossier.

Quid pro qou

Hunter laptop from hell

https://nypost.com/2017/01/11/schumer-predicted-intelligence-officials-would-get-back-at-trump/

How many plots have failed to get Trump?

This is just the latest, but again, you do you TDS affliction and all.

While you are at it make sure and post the schlock you "were a former Conservative Republican " a few more times.

Jeffhas's avatar

Oh we want everything released still… but there are surprisingly more important things that need being done too… walk and chew gum and all that…

Jeff the Original's avatar

Couldn't tell from this site...

Bonking the Dems regarding conspiracy theories related to the 2020 election seems to be the highest priority today (and forever more).

Why do you think the DOJ is slowwalking the release of the files?

Jeffhas's avatar

It’s not like they are afraid of careers being ruined, because ‘some’ careers have been ruined by Epstein files…. I imagine like files on UFO’s, JFK, human medical trials that all the evidence will eventually come out… what I find truly illuminating is how someone so self described as ‘open minded’ can be so singularly focused on the Epstein files alone? The nooze to me is somewhat like triage; the most injurious get attention first… and each day brings the opportunity for a ‘bloodier patient’…. And yet here you are all Epstein, all the time… you are truly boring.

Paul B. Cohen's avatar

I hear you, Ben, but The Truth prevails and cures all in due time, this life or the next.

Jeff the Original's avatar

I agree that the truth prevails, but this site doesn't seek the truth...you guys seek confirmation of your political biases.

Ben R's avatar

Says the queen of such.

Jeff the Original's avatar

You won't find me praising the Dems...but they aren't a cult...so they have that going for them.

JohnAZ's avatar

The Truth? You really are a joke. The Truth is totally in the eyes of the beholder. Your truth is just as precarious as any one else’s. Only your own ego gets in the way of the ultimate truth, that there is no ultimate truth.

elysianfield's avatar

:The Truth prevails and cures all in due time"

#JFK

bara.ex.nihilo's avatar

Why are you arguing at an internet bot designed by AI and Progressives??

At this time, we should all be pretty familiar with this phenomenon and abel to recognize it....

BTW, perhaps the video with Krugman might also be an AI generation? Why would those who desire the destruction of Americanism not utilize such tech against those who expose their nefarious intents??

Otherwise, lots of medicine needs to be administered.

Paul B. Cohen's avatar

Bot or not, in warfare you shoot down a drone or sniper. Both kill.

Scott's avatar

I'm intrigued by your comment. How does one recognize the bot? Serious question. It seems they are very advanced and getting more so.

Lugh's avatar

AI is smarter than the vast majority of people. So that's one way. Of course they need dumb AI as well to convince low IQ "voters".

Gwennie's avatar

The historic trajectory is decadence to barbarism. Example: formerly free-ish European countries. They imported barbarians and much to their surprise, got barbarism.

Lugh's avatar

Matt Walsh O @MattWalshBlog 19h

Pretty much all of the prominent voices who

supported the Iran War assured us it would be over

by now. None of them will admit they were wrong.

Even less will they admit that their initial

assurances were based on nothing but their own

wishcasting. This whole shitshow has been an

enormous waste of time and resources and our

country has not benefited from it at all. Its

advocates have moved the goal posts repeatedly

and have even to this day refused to clearly

articulate what constitutes a victory and how we'll

know that it's been achieved.

SheilaB's avatar

The main purpose of wars in recent years is not military victory. Hence the purpose of the Ukraine war, besides the usual vast money laundering operation through the MIC, could be to get the EU to finalise its own 'defence' organisation (aka war machine, and money-laundering apparatus as good as NATO's), which is currently in the pipeline. The UK will be part of it. Both (at least their shadow governments) are gagging to get into a forever war with Russia (which has also used the Ukraine war to advance its digitisation agenda).

The genocide in Gaza serves the 15-minute city/digital panopticon/open-air-prison agenda, a blueprint for the rest of us.

The war in Iran serves the digital ID and digital rationing agenda by forcing fuel and food shortages and even famine. That's why *they* are not in any hurry to resolve it.

'Winning' is not the point, hence long drawn-out affairs like Ukraine, which could have been sorted out in a couple of months. The winners are always the same people - the global parasite class. The losers are us. The depop agenda is always served.

SheilaB's avatar

Not a reply to your comment, but I just saw this just now from GB News (very much controlled op).

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/the-shocking-stories-of-henry-nowak-and-iryna-zarutska-that-expose-the-hypocrisy-of-the-left/ar-AA250GN4

So, they've picked up the story of 'Iryna', who not only isn't dead but isn't even 'Iryna' in the first place (the photo here is of the one who also supposedly died as a field medic in Ukraine not the one from the train), and they're combining it with the Nowak murder. I see there is a huge mural over your way of not-Iryna.

Dialectics. A New Age is coming and it will fool all but the most discerning.

Elsewhere (but not really) the Pope has put out an encyclical about how AI needs to be controlled and used for the 'common good'** and Archbishop Sarah Thingy whom he was quick to meet following her investiture (an enthusiasm to meet which is bizarre in itself, historically speaking) is backing him up.

ALL will marvel at the Beast, when it brings about Peace and Plenty and the 'common good' ...

"[...] false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive even the elect, *if that were possible*." Matthew 24:24

Which means it won't be possible, of course.

**Watch out for this key phrase - see also Pope Francis' encyclical 'Fratelli Tutti' which says in plain words that if you own something that someone else doesn't have, it's actually his). 'In the future you will own nothing ...'

JustMeAgain's avatar

I always view those early forecasts of easy, quick, and decisive victory as nothing more than PR. The insiders know that it won't be that easy, but the need to sell it to the publics demands some manufactured "truth" up front. And as SheilaB notes, the purpose of these things is not quick victory in the first place. Not enough hardware expended in that case to justify the effort.

Howard Skillington's avatar

That depends upon what you mean by "prominent." Yes, prominent mouthpieces for the Official Narrative. Certainly, no one like Pepe Escobar, Alex Krainer, Douglas MacGregor, Larry Johnson, or Charles Freeman was foolish enough to believe we could prevail over Iran, let alone make quick work of it.

For many of us this colossal mistake has unfolded pretty much as anticipated, and looks to play out according to initial expectations. Israel has dragged us to Hell and, in the new order of the world, we will become an increasingly irrelevant backwater.

Scott's avatar

The Iran situation is nothing like you describe. We aren't even trying to "prevail" over Iran. What's really going on is a takedown of the globalist imperial economic system, of which Iran and Venezuela are key components.

Howard Skillington's avatar

If you think we are in the process of taking down the GIEDS you are sadly mistaken. This is a Fourth Turning which will result in not only the loss of US hegemony but of our way of life. The dollar will lose its Reserve Currency status and its actual value will be revealed. As for Iran, it's Netanyahu's war, and he may or may not have actually believed that Iran could be brought down in five days of assassinations and bombing, but that hardly matters. Trump was suckered into playing the game, we have failed, and now we are fucked.