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Ataraxis's avatar

I support the Arc de Trump so the TDS crowd has to look at it forever and ever.

Make it bigger with more gold.

Dutchmn007's avatar

Seconded. Normally I ‘d be opposed but it will tweak leftist sensibilities to no end so count me in as a positive vote!!! ;<)

Ataraxis's avatar

I’d like to see him knock down all the bad architecture in DC and replace it with classical architecture. Start with the brutalist FBI eyesore. I don’t care what it costs.

Hugh's avatar

I care what it costs! Fire three 120mm penetrator rounds from an M1A1.

Then draw up blueprints for the new building.

Em Seven's avatar

New building not needed. Abolish the FBI completely.

JohnAZ's avatar

I keep hearing that many allegations of the weaponization of the FBI under Obama are going to be coming. Let’s hope so.

JohnAZ's avatar

When L’Enfant was commissioned to design DC, he was instructed to make it bigger than life, to intimidate foreigners. The crazy street layout was a defensive measure to confound any invaders. Just as it confounds everyone today. I also believe it is very Masonic.

Rick's avatar

Maybe you can collect $500 million by fraud to do it.

Shouldn't be so difficult in these out-of-control days.

Maybe hire a Somalian subcontractor.

YourGalapagosGullfriend's avatar

And set up a stereo system where you press a button and YMCA blasts out for everyone to dance to.

Ataraxis's avatar

Oh yeah! Group YMCA dances! Fantastic!

Gwennie's avatar

Could be improved with a little glitter and a few disco balls.

Ataraxis's avatar

I endorse a disco ball inside the arch!

Kurt's avatar

This is the best comment thread ever!

Ataraxis's avatar

YMCA will be played at the unveiling of. Guaranteed!

Orbit's avatar

If you base your world view around anything that pisses off other people then you’re just a miserable loser.

Ataraxis's avatar

“My world view?” Do I know you?

“Miserable?” Do you know how happy your comment made me? Very happy!

Your negative energy is like fuel for my soul. Thanks, dude!

I even liked your comment it was so pleasing!

Orbit's avatar

“Let’s waste tax dollars because it pisses off liberals” is not the flex you think it is bud. People like you really think like that and then wonder why this country is the way it is. Get a life, seriously. Our country will be better for it.

Ataraxis's avatar

I never “wonder why this country is the way it is.”

I know why.

Exhibit A: You, and “people like you.”

Liking your comment again because of the energy it gives me!

Gym+Fritz's avatar

I think there should be a minimum twenty-five year waiting period between the time any such monument is proposed and the start of construction. That said, I don’t think this monument, per se, is a bad idea; it just too big

I think the proposed size is out of scale with the proposed location; access across the (poorly designed) traffic circle is easily solved with a well-lit tunnel that comes out in the center of monument. The large parking garage for Arlington Cemetery is within walking distance. The larger traffic circle on the other side of the bridge, around the Lincoln Memorial, has no traffic lights.

I think the function of this monument would be somewhat analogous to the Bladensburg “Peace Cross”, which is very visible, but not very approachable. And, of course, the monument, sitting at the front door of Arlington Cemetery, should in no way distract from, or diminish in any way, the sacred cemetery.

Our track record re DC monuments is not all that good. Eisenhower’s memorial is misbegotten, poorly located, commemorating the designer, more than the great man himself. The FDR memorial is a meandering non-monument. MLK’s monument is too cold and distant (made in China / Mao-like), especially considering what he stood for.

FYI, technically speaking, the traffic circle is in DC, the “Virginia side of the Potomac” is about hundred yards west of the traffic circle.

We are someone’s posterity.

Gym+Fritz's avatar

Perhaps a better place would be at the site of the abandoned FBI building. This would serve as a reminder of the dangers of surveillance, censorship, and the deep state.

Ataraxis's avatar

Great comment! I do not believe we need a 25 year rule. Many people like me would like to see it before they’re dead.

Vegan Shark's avatar

I used to commute every day via the George Washington Parkway and the Memorial Bridge, passing right by the site of this proposed arch. Since the parkway approaching the bridge is jammed at rush hours and cars must slow down or stop, it would be an improvement to have something attractive to look at, like the Arc de Trump.

One other thing. This was decades ago, so maybe it's been changed (but I doubt it). The GW Parkway and some other high-speed road merge northbound in a configuration like an upside-down V. Neither has a stop or yield sign! Both have implied right of way! The hapless driver must look ahead and behind simultaneously to merge successfully. I've never seen such an intersection anywhere else and always dreaded approaching it. How do tourists unfamiliar with the area cope safely? When the Arc de Trump looms ahead as a distraction, it will be crazier. The intersection needs to be edited more urgently than ever.

GonzoDon's avatar

As usual, the knee-jerk MAGA reaction is not to do whatever is actually best for the country, but to do whatever “sticks it to the libs”.

Yeah. What could possibly go wrong with that myopic approach? Certainly seems to be working out really well for regular working people in the United States these days — provided they’re not concerned about inflation, high gas prices, a stalemated war in Iraq, the Epstein files, inept Cabinet officials, and the dwindling affordability of health care, home ownership, higher education, and day care.

Oh. And that pesky federal debt, to which $3 trillion has been added since Trump’s inauguration 16 months ago.

Ataraxis's avatar

I want to do what is best for the country, which by definition sticks it to the libs.

Think.

GonzoDon's avatar

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case.

Ataraxis's avatar

What case? Let’s use your words.

“MAGA reaction is NOT to do whatever is best for the country.” INSTEAD, you claim we merely want to “stick it to the libs.”

I said I WANT to do what is best for the country, which is the opposite of what libs want, so it achieves the same goal, i.e., “stick it to the libs.”

So yes, my goal is to “stick it to the libs” AND also do good.

I told you to think and you didn’t do it. Typical lib who can’t follow instructions.

Te Burt's avatar

Well said. LOL

Ben R's avatar

Gonzo has only one mode anti American anti Trump and anti Republican. Nailed him to the wall with his own ridiculous tirade.

GonzoDon's avatar

It’s cute how y’all are patting yourselves on the back for how clever y’all are.

However the fact remains that Ataraxis never explained why he thinks the Trump Arch is a good idea for the country — except that he hopes it will annoy the people he dislikes.

Sounds like a derangement syndrome to me.

Meanwhile, Trump’s White House Ballroom, which was originally supposed to cost $100 million and be paid for by private donations, then $200 million, then $400 million and partially paid for by taxpayers, is now … a $1 billion expenditure that our GOP Congress has decided we taxpayers must bankroll!

Oy vey.

Rosemary B's avatar

are you still crying? stop crying so much. You are always crying.

GonzoDon's avatar

Ah, you again. The one who can't do math.

Ben R's avatar

Ah you again the one who whines non-stop about Trump and America.

Cankerpuss's avatar

As long as it is privately funded and not funded with taxpayer monies, I don't care what they build in that cesspool known as the District of Columbia.

Edward Bernaysauce's avatar

and add some flock cams- for good measure...

Tardigrade's avatar

Well, that's *one* good argument for it ;)

Steve's avatar

HaHaHa! Libs paint streets, we build arches. More gold! HaHaHa!

Philip Joseph's avatar

I like it. Triumph. Lady Liberty. Tradition. Historical. Stick in the eye to the communists.

JohnAZ's avatar

A monument to the 250th birthday of the country. A monument in a city of monuments. Too bad that the Libs are trying to block the Ballroom, it would be wonderful if the celebration could be held in the ballroom, which could’ve happened if the Leftist judiciary had just left it alone. Needed security, on federal property, paid for by donors(with maybe a little from the taxpayers), on budget, on time with delays due to idiots, an improvement to the looks of the WH.

So what is wrong? Trump thought of it!

Just like the Arch, definitely a look-a-like to the Arc de Triomphe. Hmmm, just like the Statue of Liberty? The French were our friends once.

Toby Ewing's avatar

There's a surprising lack of gold filigree adorning this structure, what does this remarkable restraint portend? The spaceport going up in south Chicago stands in mighty brutal contrast.

Dee's avatar

First time 'I have disagreed with your take, Mr. Kuntsler.

Tenquid's avatar

Trump's grandiosity gave me the Ick when he first emerged politically in 2015. Its a big part of his brand. I think it's unseemly for a US president. I prefer the humility of the American cowboy. I raised my son to be an "aw shucks, ma'am." kind of guy and it has served him well.

MarshaLouise's avatar

We need all kinds…I like yours and I’ll take Trump’s style as well. An interesting world we live in.

EK MtnTime's avatar

Can you imagine if we were all the same? It takes all kinds of personalities to make the world turn.

Ben R's avatar

Rubbed me wrong as well but watching him stick it to the libs has been priceless.

Tenquid's avatar

He is crude, crass, and uncouth, but I like most of what he has accomplished so far. Voted for him 3 X.

Old Gyrene's avatar

"He is crude, crass, and uncouth..." and very, very effective.

Bar none, the most effective President of my lifetime (back to Truman).

JohnAZ's avatar

He was a contractor in NYC. He learned long ago that to deliver the goods, whether golf courses, hotels, casinos, ice rinks or monuments, you had to be “crude, crass and uncouth”, otherwise known as demanding. Otherwise you end up with a bunch of do-nothing, like Obama or Biden’s mob.

too_dumb's avatar

nobody cares about your son and the fake attitudes projected onto him by his mother.

JohnAZ's avatar

Every president has added his element to the White House, along with the First Ladies.

And every president has been criticized by the opposition for doing it. Comme ci, comme ca.

Bill Bradford's avatar

Personally, no, I really don't care one way or the other, if Arc de Trump ever gets built or not....it's just another large distraction from what's REALLY important.... Which is saving our Article IV, Section IV Constitutional Republic from the demon rat domestic enemy Democrats....

Let the WAR GAMES BEGIN!....

Crixcyon's avatar

Why not a mile high Trump-scraper? This is all totally ridiculous when we have a government over-spending by $2 trillion every year. For sure, this is the end days of the US republic. In another year when millions are starving due to El Trumpo's silly Iran adventures sanctioned by bibi, I hope they burn the damn thing down.

Ataraxis's avatar

The USA is the largest exporter of food in the world.

OTOH/IMHO's avatar

That would be a lot more comforting if it were more affordable here. Smithfield is now Chinese-owned and ships our best ham there while leaving massive lagoons of feces; Argentina also exports massive amounts of beef to the detriment of its poor. When hamburger goes to $10/lb will you be satisfied?

Ataraxis's avatar

Except, food as a percentage of the typical US household budget has dropped from 30% in 1950 to 13% today, although Americans spend much more on restaurants today than in 1950.

Further, food was the second highest household expense in 1950 after housing costs, but now food ranks third behind housing and transportation.

But I agree that it would be nice if food was even cheaper and if we could kick out the Chinese.

OTOH/IMHO's avatar

I don't believe that for one second. As one example, as of April 2026, about 20% of Americans (75.5 million out of an estimated 340 million U.S. population are on Social Security, whose COLA adjustments in no way keep up with food cost inflation. As for restaurants, I think you are talking about fast food joints- in this "great economy" I am seeing restaurants going out of business right and left.

Ataraxis's avatar

Those are USDA numbers. Are you saying that you do not believe the government USDA numbers, but that you do believe the government Social Security numbers? That is interesting to only believe the government numbers you like. So be it.

But It is your right to not believe things and rely on purely anecdotal evidence. But if you do so, please understand that then you do not know what is happening beyond what you can see. The USA is a huge country and you can only see a tiny portion of it. This means that your anecdotal evidence only applies to that tiny portion. How accurate can the tiny portion of what you see be compared to the nationwide view? I think we both know the answer to that question.

Best of luck!

Old Gyrene's avatar

"I don't believe that for one second."

Great idea, asshole.

Go ahead and call someone else a liar just because you disagree.

Facts don't matter, only your opinion.

Since it appears as though you are completely ignorant of the design of Social Security, you should know that it was never intended to be the sole source of income for retirees, only a supplement.

Prudent living within your means and investing something (anything) on a regular basis is how one lives well after retirement.

All the above posted knowing full well that you are too arrogant (and too ignorant) to accept simple truisms.

AMF

JohnAZ's avatar

You know why that the debt does not matter and will never be collected?

Because everyone is in debt, the world, the people, everyone. Everyone understands what would happen if anyone tried to collect on anyone’s debt, just like 2008, total collapse.

Think about 2008, the debt ridden Deep State bailed out the debt ridden banks, with one exception.

Think about the debt ridden Deep State bailing out the debt ridden car manufacturers that were in trouble due to debt ridden Japanese and Korean car companies.

China is in debt to us, and we are in debt to them.

Debt is inconsequential except it makes a great phony campaign promise. Please note that not a single promise about the deficit or debt has ever been carried out, except maybe Gingrich and Clinton.

Alice Brackensick's avatar

Go back to a real eyesore as this one hasn't been built yet. Critics like you claimed the Washington Monument was too tall and invoked a different era. Critics could complain that the Statue of Liberty's base was too big and kids had to empty their piggy banks to help pay for it.

Frank Whiten's avatar

Get ‘em, Alice!

Rob Eberly's avatar

You have obviously not been to Paris … there are no parking lots yet millions of folks visit the Arch each year traveling through an underground access that is infested with pick-pockets. Sounds like something America should install.

OTOH/IMHO's avatar

You got that right, Rob. Trump, who originally ran on a promise to balance the budget, but now does not give one damn about trillions upon trillions more, yet festoons the Oval Office with gold, wants to pick Americans' pockets for this huge vanity, and almost everyone here is cheering him on because he is "poking his finger in the liberals' eyes"! A Buch of idiots! The true conservative is not liberal with other people's money.

JohnAZ's avatar

The budget is beyond help and will never be balanced with this nation now a country of gimmes. We need more monuments to celebrate the family of spenders known as the Deep State.

Old Gyrene's avatar

"A Buch of idiots!"

Uh huh...WE'RE the idiots.

A spiel czecher can be your best friend.

Dianne Warner's avatar

Obviously, Rob? Really? Travel is not unique especially to Paris. I wonder your object in making such a condescending, know-it-all statement to our host.

Mysch's avatar

Superfluous.

Of course, one might argue the same about all monuments.

For that matter, so is the genuine gold leaf that Trump has installed in public spaces within the White House.

"But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow these grounds." Especially considering the nearby Arlington National Cemetery.

The line between the grandiose and the grand is a very fine line. The former has pretension to which it has no true claim.

The line between the profane and the sacred in art is also very fine.

Art is necessary to life. We are not communists! [Any true communist will spurn even so much as a few prints hanging on the walls of their Soviet-cement-block cells/apartments.]

True artistry goes beyond what is merely regurgitated memes, "mimes", or mimicry of beauty. The latter slips into farce.

Beauty will save the world, for sure.

Monuments are not intrinsically beautiful, save for their relationship to the underlying reality portrayed.

To the degree to which this Arc de Tri-umphe should inculcate greater love of country, and respect for the Founding Freedoms of American, then it will garner greater respect -- or even, in the manner of the Temple called the Lincoln Memorial -- = hushed tones of reverence.

To the degree to which is does not do so, it will garner instead the ridicule formerly reserved for the likes of Saddam Hussein's grand monuments to himself.

Let us hope for the former.

Breck Breckenridge's avatar

"On the whole, I admire Mr. Trump’s performance as chief executive of the US government".

Amazing. Somehow, somewhere you and I came to a fork in the road. And I voted for him three times. But it wasn't long into his term before I figured out what he was all about. After that it just got worse.

White Collar Barbarian's avatar

I do not like the monument, but I like the impetus behind it.

Let me clarify. None of the monuments that people visit thousands of years after their construction were commissioned by good men. They weren't built so that future generations would be elevated or inspired to greatness. They are each and every one testaments to men's ego. They were paid for and designed by great men trying to one up each other. And yet they are beautiful, and inspiring, and breathtaking, and remarkable.

I say, let our leaders build MORE elaborate monuments. Let them create even MORE expensive, outrageous pieces of architecture, commission MORE expensive pieces of art. I'd rather a thousand Arc de Trumps than yet another strip mall filled with vape shops and barbers.

Rosemary B's avatar

meh. Not nearly enough gold.

I live in Virginia and this is a nice area for a massive "structure" like this.

Perhaps great for weddings too?

Libertarian's avatar

Like VA needs any more federal handouts. It’s already got more federal DEI tax addicts than the rest of the country.

John Richardson's avatar

A grandiose monument to celebrate the end of an American empire that peaked in 1945 and began its decline when the Soviet Union ended in 1991. The subsequent adoption of the Marxist, globalist “Rules Based Order” by the Leftist American intelligentsia and concurrent groveling subservience to Zionism has destroyed what could have been a century of Pax Americana. 🫡🇺🇸 🥲

Michael Miller's avatar

Began to decline (accelerated) in 1913. Bad year.

Carl Nelson's avatar

Yes, let time make its statement.