Good post but I feel compelled to point out that jet fuel cannot burn hot enough to melt structural steel. Who or what was behind the 9/11 atrocities is officially unknown to us.
While I have an engineering degree, I do not profess to be a structural engineer but the collapse of the towers makes perfect sense to me. Burning jet fuel may not get hot enough to melt steel but the impact of a 300K pound aircraft combined with the burning fuel and everything else in the building was enough to weaken the supporting floor structure causing it to fail. All it takes is one point of failure to start the collapsing accordion effect.
small office fire brings down a skyscraper out of the blue with perfect pancake implosion....sure it's never, ever happened in the whole history of skyscapers before, but it must not be a clue since they don't talk about it.
Yeah, but no. The entire world watched the event. No comments that day regarding an explosion. Careful editing and AI generation subsequent to the act could make it appear that YOU were observed, at street level, butt naked, pressing a plunger to detonate the charges.
My interpretation of the explanations I have seen is that it was the weakness of the interconnections on the corners that broke down the buildings. You know who really understood the weakness of the architectural design? The planners of 9/11. The structural steel had little to do with it. Like the Titanic when all the lousy rivets came out. Another thing I felt was bad news, the explanations said that if one or two floors were unsupported, the weight of all the floors above became unsupported and would fall straight through the structure. Who authorized the monstrosity in the first place, the same group that authorized the Tacoma Narrows bridge?
Have you seen the reports of the tall building in San Francisco that is trying the outdo the Leaning Tower of Pisa as one side is subsiding into the ground?
All I know is that many buildings in Manhattan and Boston are limited in height and underground parking because of the subsurface on which they are built.
The Titanic was a black op to kill all those opposed to the US Fed. Once those obstacles were removed in 1912, the City of London established the US Federal Reserve in 1913. It's been pretty much loot, loot, loot ever since.
My understanding is there are two ways to protect the steel girders. The old way was to wrap them in asbestos, the preferred way today is to encase them in cement. At some point in the construction, objections to the asbestos caused that to stop, but it was too far along to go back and redo with cement so the upper floors had neither cement or asbestos to protect the girders which allowed them to soften enough to pancake the building.
That, and there were no standard girders; it used a tubular design with far less steel than other buildings of this size and not actual internal structure to hold the building up.
This fact is left out of all the arguments, possibly for a reason beyond normal human comprehension.
Moreover, if The Pentagon was hit by an aircraft, where were the engines & the tail section remnants? Those never fully burn. They're always left over.
I refer you to a test by Sandia National Laboratories in 1988 where they mounted a F4 Phantom Fighter jet on a rocket sled and drove it into a thick concrete wall at 480 mph. The jet was completely demolished with only small parts remaining.
Ok fair enough but then why - with commercial airline crashes - are the engi es & tail section left over? The F-4 is of a different design than a Boeing 737, the engine is internal & in the fuselage. A 737 has wing-mounted engines.
Yes, even if you flew a 747 vertically into the ground it is likely there would be large chunks of engines remaining. That is because the rate of deceleration into the earth is less than a concrete wall. The tail might be intact because as the main structure of the airplane is collapsing, the tail is not subject to as rapid a deceleration.
I would argue that if you flew a 747 into a thick concrete wall the results would be the same as the F4.
OK ... and what of the black boxes? In 2001, each commercial aircraft had two indestructible black boxes. Indestructible except on 9/11 when 8 of 8 destructed.
The problem with 9/11 is less the event itself -- although we should probably keep an open mind even about that -- but what was behind it, what led up to it, and what has followed it.
We now have a long trail of globalist and intelligence community malfeasance, the fog finally lifting over JFK and the rest of the decade of assassinations, the assault on US banking and culture that began in 1973, and the subsequent nurturance of Islamic extremism as the new whipping boys to replace the Russians. Not to mention the Iraq debacle, Obama Trojan Horse presidency, the takedown of 2008, the creation of a security state monster, and the plandemic and gene serum experiment.
A good deal of that was kicked into gear by 9/11, enough to raise the possibility, even the likelihood, that what happened that day was not simply a lucky hit by a bunch of towelheads.
"Obama Trojan Horse presidency" Well put! It is feeling like that more and more. Along with the imagery of the deep leg crossing, bird frame, wrecking ball that he is.
Thanks. I've found, anecdotally, that understanding him in this way is a kind of first principle of contemporary sanity. Unless the nature of who he was/is and what he came to do is understood, I don't think contemporary events can be interpreted accurately.
Jet fuel doesn’t need to melt steel to cause structural failure. At high temperatures, steel loses much of its strength and can sag or buckle. The WTC explanation is impact damage plus prolonged fires—not melted steel.
After watching countless hours of video of that day, and reading the books I read about it, I stopped believing that 19 Muslim hijackers committed 9/11. Especially damning is Rebekah Roth's book Methodical Illusion, as well as her video, and Judy Wood's book What Happened to the Twin Towers.
Yet it and all the shit in the building that was on fire are hot enough to soften it.
One can't forge steel until you heat it up, and once it is soft, it sags and loses its ability to hold everything up.
There was some rumor the steel was defective, and the buildings were built differently, using tubes instead of solid I-beam construction.
The building was built around the exterior, holding up the weight, while the center was devoid of columns to hold it up and once the windows started popping out, it lost that external rigidity
I suggest looking into the structure and not just assuming the standard lie that no building has ever collapsed from a fire, blah blah blah.
No building has been built this way before or since.
I doubt the triple child murderer in Massachusetts will get off the hook. The jury is hung, there is very likely to be a re-trial. But it is a sign of how far our legal system has gone off the track.
11 for acquittal? One guy stood for Justice for the kids. I do not understand if the acquittal meant release of committal to mental health. IMO, any of the females on that jury that condoned what she did as should go on some list somewhere. MA is nuts.
I think this is the first time I’ve disagreed with you on anything, but there are too many loose ends in the 911 cover story that don’t make any sense.
Let’s start with building 7 which collapsed at almost freefall rate from a fire. That’s never happened in the history of steel buildings before or since.
it is also impossible for conventional jet airliners to pull off the types of high-speed maneuvers that were done to hit both the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, even with the best available pilots. The planes are just not built to withstand those air speeds at those altitudes.
There’s a lot of other things that don’t make sense, but the best way to understand that or any false flag event is to ask Cui Bono?
So just curious, in your mad world where hijacked jets were switched for aerial weapons systems capable of same, are the passengers of those 4 original airplanes living out a rich existence on a deserted island ala The Running Man, or were they killed by the government as part of the plot? Everyone who says steel can't deform this or that way or avjet fuel can't do this or that - and any so-called experts who say the same - are really in an odd mental trap. I suppose the recent leaning tower incident in NYC could not have happened either.
Unfortunately, those passengers were probably murdered. There’s no rational explanation for building 7 collapsing that way from fire. I don’t claim to know all the answers, only that the answers provided so far are impossible.
What about the ground under those buildings. It's well know that the sub surface in Manhattan varies. Is it possible that what was happening above impacted the sub surface.
Was on a conference call on the 36 Floor in Penn Plaza with unobstructed views of the Trade Towers when the first plane hit, but turned around to see the airplane scorch marks on the Building and the building on fire with heavy black smoke.
Will Never Forget the second plane just appear above us and to our right, we were hoping that it was heading to the Hudson River and NY Harbor but it wasn’t descending it veered to the right and button hooked into the second Tower.
It wasn’t a Missile it was a Plane! The day for all those victims their families and the rescuers got worse from there!
I saw it live on TV. A reporter was screaming that a plane had just gone over him on 5th Avenue IIRC. The Anchor thought he was referring to the first plane but he was screaming it was a different plane and then boom, just as you describe. I had gone home for a while as a truck I was waiting for at the warehouse called to say he was behind schedule. Otherwise I would not have seen it happen. I also know a local guy who was in the Pentagon when it was hit. His office was the first one next to the impact area that wasn't destroyed.
Rebekah Roth said she believes they were all put aboard one plane and gassed. Listen to Cee Cee Lyles's phone call, turn up the sound real loud, and you'll hear something just before she hangs up,vand yes, she's calling on a handset phone.
I never said that. But I do understand that it’s very difficult for Americans to believe that their own government could be involved in such a dastardly act.
Just as many refuse to believe that the Covid vaccine was developed and deployed as a population control device
Right. The US Democrats (< 2% of earth's population) ran a program whereby 100% of earth's ~200 nations all joined in lockstep (notwithstanding not being able to agree on what side of the road to drive on).
Well...I thought you were referring to POTUS during 9/11....not Trump 1.0. The subject was 9/11 and the DS was probably smaller and less lethal at that time.
Airliners are much stronger and more maneuverable than you think. I believe it was in 1955 that Boeing Test Pilot, Tex Johnson, performed a roll over Puget Sound in Seattle with a Boeing 707 4 engine jet airliner.
The Twin Towers were structurally built to withstand a low on fuel 707 Planes when they were built same with the Three Mile Island Nuclear Power Plant!
Bigger Planes and Loaded with Fuel started the eventual collapse of the Towers and the Water to cool the Reactors added to the Reactors demise!
i’m not a aeronautic engineer, but it’s my understanding that it has to do with the speed at sea level. It is estimated that the jets, or whatever they were, hit the World Trade Center at 500 mph which is not a speed that they are built to withstand at that elevation.
The “limits” you’re referring to are imposed to help preserve the airframe over its lifetime, and not because it would immediately self-destruct. It’s no different than the Navy’s 7g “limit” for an F-18 Super Hornet when it can legitimately do 10g - not exceeding 7g extends its service life.
When they dug out, the remains of the planes were there, in NYC, Pentagon, and Shanksville. They were a missile, a flying body full of explosives. The al Qaeda boys knew exactly what they were doing.
First of all those planes are modified for that particular purpose and secondly my research indicates that they only fly at about 170 mph when actually dropping the water. They can transport to the site at higher altitude at 500 MPH but then they have to slow down when they go to a lower elevation.
Not if they have zero concerns about warping the airframe and ruining the aircraft for future use.
I will give you another factoid: the average modern jet, Boeing or Airbus, can fly faster than the speed of sound but is denied that ability because of all the broken windows and complaints it would cause.
In fact, the falling towers did register on local Richter scales, but not at a very high level, certainly not enough to account for the total disintegration of building 7
i’m not going to engage you debate because you’re obviously emotionally involved in your position and are one of those who find it impossible to even conceive of any other scenario than the conventional story
Great post - outstanding overall summary of modern life. Certainly the last 25 years have been historic in the sheer magnitude of cultural change and Chaos. Sifting through the complex processes in play isn't easy. In fact, pretty much impossible. Anyone can come up with a "world view" to explain things - how they work, how we got here - but most people have just been beaten down to the point where they shudder to think about anything more than basic survival now. Politics is now just a side show.
Will logic and cooler heads prevail over desperation and psychotic breaks?
It's apparent to me that the complex structure of insanity cannot continue, but how it all transitions to the simpler lives, lower standards of living, and back to basics that the future holds is a wild-ass guess - at best. Whatever comes to pass is most likely to involve a harsh lesson in "getting real" for most people who've had the luxury of creating and living a bizarre life outside of the normal checks and balances of pragmatic society. You want to identify as a cat, or insist others practice your values and think like you? Bugger off.
William, the real problem is that we are no longer Americans in the majority. Americanism has been diluted out of our culture. It distresses me to see so much evidence right here in CFN, so much anti-Americanism.
The 9/11 was an inside job..by our government..The fact that the same murderous tribe is invading the USA today should come as no surprise to anyone. The Mujslim cult is taking over the world, and doing the bidding of the psycopaths that allow them to work. They took over England in the early 1970's..now..here they are..taking one state at a time..with the blessing of our government. soon, you will be praying 5 times a day..facin g east..get used to it or don't..now is the time to choose your actions.
Yes, on 9/11 George Bush Junior (worst President ever) sent a private plane around the country to pickup members of the Bin Laden family and wisk them away before questions could be asked. It was an inside job.
Here is a good place to look to find the seeds for the weeds that are ripping through western civilization: Antonio Gramsci – The Most Dangerous Intellectual of the Twentieth Century.
Not the most famous. Not the most read. The most dangerous and the most consequential – because he was the one who figured out why the revolution kept failing, and what to do instead. The man who invented the long march through the institutions.
When we who are of our host’s generation were kids today’s post would have just seemed like mystifying nonsense. Yes, we were gradually learning that our institutions couldn’t necessarily be trusted, and that the narrative of the day might be false, but its promulgators were still obliged to make it sound plausible. They couldn’t get away with spouting patent nonsense. And yet, here we are.
As they said back in that day, “it takes two to tango,” and absurdities like drag queen shows in elementary schools could never have become a thing without a credulous citizenry that will buy pretty much any damned thing that “authorities” tell them. How the hell did THAT happen? Were all of our bullshit detectors confiscated by the Deep State when we weren’t paying attention?
For much of our lives we have been living in prosperous times, and pretense is a luxury that cannot be afforded in lean ones. As in Aesop’s wise fable about The Ant and the Grasshopper, instead of binge streaming TV series we would have been wise to establish productive gardens; while fiddling with our cell phones we might better have been updating our electric grid.
When that grid is down for who-knows-how-long, it won’t avail us to pretend that we have that wood stove we’d been meaning to buy, or that we have cut an adequate supply of fire wood to survive the winter. Things are about to get real again, and when they do all of these absurdities will melt away like a Popsicle in August.
It does appear that 9/11 was the event that shattered America. Would Woke ideology have stayed locked up in academia had it not been for 9/11? Would our now 5th encounter with communism have not appeared were it not for 9/11? It's impossible to prove, but it seems likely.
We are in the eye of a Fourth Turning. For some perspective, the last Fourth Turning resulted in WW2. The previous one gave us the Civil War and Franco/German War. Before that, the American Revolution and French Revolution. The American and French revolutions are the best example of how such a turning can go very good or very bad.
Just think about the corollaries, Pearl Harbor, the Maine and Fort Sumter. Was 9/11 the trigger? Remember too they tried the same stunt in the basement in 1993.
Yes. Engineers said another 100 pounds of explosive and it would have come down then. The idiot then trying to get his deposit back on the rental truck is unparalleled stupidity of the highest order
The disease of America’s body politic is terminal; the gangrene of apostasy set in long ago. Moral and social corruption is rampant in rulers and ruled alike.
A known Chicago-based community organizer, who was supported by the DSA 25 years ago and bootstrapped by Weather Underground terrorists, may be at the root of this madness.
Great post. The concept of our national immune system being compromised is KEY. My parents, of the 'Greatest Generation' had their rock-solid belief that the US was just one nation among many. And, that the other nations of the world don't really like us, largely because of simple envy. The boomers and later generations have bought into the pablum that we are 'the leaders of the Free World' and are entitled to steer other countries fates, and enlighten the benign and admiring foreigners to become us. Of course this was fatal folly. We SHOULD HAVE merely let the rest of the world be. We should have made our own national 'defenses' bulletproof and multidimensional: By that I mean advanced and sophisticated armed forces (this we have done), super-selective and micro-sized immigration policy (we have done the opposite of this), secure and ever-strengthening currency and reserve wealth (again the opposite), and a realization that our mass media and Democrat party is indeed a 'domestic enemy' within, indistinguishable from International Communism (again we did the opposite). On this last point, the signs of this were loud, clear, 5/9/9, from the time of Wilson on, still by ignorance, denial, or being snake-charmed by them, we were blind to it. We have a persistent, suicidal, national folie, all of us do. It is the childish belief that, if Americans and its immigrants are given a choice between 1.) the good, belief in the Almighty, in Western civilization, and the Constitution; or 2.) evil in the form of envy, murder to an end, tyranny, atheism, and all corruption, leading to Communism; that they will choose good. The sad reality is that they will mostly choose bad. And our nation has forgotten THAT, to its peril. And we are now, finally, on the eve of the 25th anniversary of the best, slap-in-the-face, example of this above fact, JUST BEGINNING to regain the good sense that my parent's generation had, as plain old humans raised by their own American parents, in their own American neighborhoods.
The March toward DSA shows that you may be optimistic. This country’s people are becoming third world class, so it is no wonder that the country as a whole is also.
The greatest generation put people like Mamdani and al-Sayed in prison or executed them for treason. We are not our grandfather’s America.
Also, we did some of what you said, it was directed at Russia in a two dimensional world. Technologically, we defended ourselves from the threat from Russia, 9/11 changed that.
I sayeth I agree with thee. And, yes, the main "point" of "social media" is surveillance so, yes, My Real Name™ will hereby be Palantir-coded into some demonic database by simply making said statement. So be it. With the super-vacuum data abilities of our "intelligence" apparatus it seem highly implausible that this apparatus simply missed these Saudi-passported amateur pilots. I hope those 79 virgins were worth it. "Lord have mercy on the innocents and punish the wicked"
I always felt that Johnson and his pals the Hunt Brothers had something to do with the death of JFK. That famous photo called "The Wink" when they were flying the casket back to Washington.
In the Bible, when the world decided to build their Tower of Babel to overthrow God, He intervened and sent them all scurrying, confused, and in chaos, by confounding their language into many languages causing them all to scatter.
The Transnational Progressive movement was gaining serious steam in the world right up through the late 90’s and early 2000’s, largely by using the “Climate Change Agenda” a their chosen vehicle to literally alter the economies and governments of nearly every country on earth, sans China. Russia and the Middle East, (coincidence?).
But in 2016 God threw a hammer, going by the name of Trump, into those works, which succeeded in confounding the, up until then, “agreed upon language”, and as a result, in nearly everything that has transpired since then this act has come to define the very battle we’ve been engaged in in our contemporary history: do we want a world with or without God?
"It’s also hard to fathom how the London bankers (whoever they are?) have any sympathy with the Marxist revolutionaries who want to end the concept of private property and the instrumentalities of money that go with it."
Surely you jest. Their name in the House of Rothschilds.
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Owning absolutely everything while the rest of mankind is (mainly) killed off or (the 500M remaining) in bondage/servitude for all eternity.
Good post but I feel compelled to point out that jet fuel cannot burn hot enough to melt structural steel. Who or what was behind the 9/11 atrocities is officially unknown to us.
Yes. The official story is an absurd patchwork of impossibilities, most of which have long since been exposed as lies.
JHK be like, "Zzzzzzz ... Zzzzzz ..."
While I have an engineering degree, I do not profess to be a structural engineer but the collapse of the towers makes perfect sense to me. Burning jet fuel may not get hot enough to melt steel but the impact of a 300K pound aircraft combined with the burning fuel and everything else in the building was enough to weaken the supporting floor structure causing it to fail. All it takes is one point of failure to start the collapsing accordion effect.
But building 7...?
small office fire brings down a skyscraper out of the blue with perfect pancake implosion....sure it's never, ever happened in the whole history of skyscapers before, but it must not be a clue since they don't talk about it.
The # 7 Building is the big but. Like the Alfred P. Murrah Building bombing in Oklahoma.
BB,
There were, as I recall reading, seven levels of basements below street level, Building 7 shared those basements with the main complex.
And what of the explosions in the basement BEFORE the planes hitting?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LgP7P4WiiA [3m38s]
Yeah, but no. The entire world watched the event. No comments that day regarding an explosion. Careful editing and AI generation subsequent to the act could make it appear that YOU were observed, at street level, butt naked, pressing a plunger to detonate the charges.
My interpretation of the explanations I have seen is that it was the weakness of the interconnections on the corners that broke down the buildings. You know who really understood the weakness of the architectural design? The planners of 9/11. The structural steel had little to do with it. Like the Titanic when all the lousy rivets came out. Another thing I felt was bad news, the explanations said that if one or two floors were unsupported, the weight of all the floors above became unsupported and would fall straight through the structure. Who authorized the monstrosity in the first place, the same group that authorized the Tacoma Narrows bridge?
There is always (imho) a weak point to structures that, if hit correctly, will cause it to fall...
Have you seen the reports of the tall building in San Francisco that is trying the outdo the Leaning Tower of Pisa as one side is subsiding into the ground?
All I know is that many buildings in Manhattan and Boston are limited in height and underground parking because of the subsurface on which they are built.
Yeah, the skyline rises and falls as the underground becomes less able to support weight.
The Titanic was a black op to kill all those opposed to the US Fed. Once those obstacles were removed in 1912, the City of London established the US Federal Reserve in 1913. It's been pretty much loot, loot, loot ever since.
Hmm, I wonder who launched that iceberg?
My understanding is there are two ways to protect the steel girders. The old way was to wrap them in asbestos, the preferred way today is to encase them in cement. At some point in the construction, objections to the asbestos caused that to stop, but it was too far along to go back and redo with cement so the upper floors had neither cement or asbestos to protect the girders which allowed them to soften enough to pancake the building.
That, and there were no standard girders; it used a tubular design with far less steel than other buildings of this size and not actual internal structure to hold the building up.
This fact is left out of all the arguments, possibly for a reason beyond normal human comprehension.
"All it takes is one point of failure to start the collapsing accordion effect."
Perfectly symmetrically? Into its own footprint? Thrice? From two planes?
Give yer head a shake.
Moreover, if The Pentagon was hit by an aircraft, where were the engines & the tail section remnants? Those never fully burn. They're always left over.
I refer you to a test by Sandia National Laboratories in 1988 where they mounted a F4 Phantom Fighter jet on a rocket sled and drove it into a thick concrete wall at 480 mph. The jet was completely demolished with only small parts remaining.
https://www.sandia.gov/news/videos/legacy-footage/
Here is a short video: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xESkLydLt3Y
Ok fair enough but then why - with commercial airline crashes - are the engi es & tail section left over? The F-4 is of a different design than a Boeing 737, the engine is internal & in the fuselage. A 737 has wing-mounted engines.
Because most of the ones you reference were trying a crash landing, not being used as a missile. Duh.
Good thinking, Gary. You're a regular Sherlock Holmes.
Yup! That one's on me.
Yes, even if you flew a 747 vertically into the ground it is likely there would be large chunks of engines remaining. That is because the rate of deceleration into the earth is less than a concrete wall. The tail might be intact because as the main structure of the airplane is collapsing, the tail is not subject to as rapid a deceleration.
I would argue that if you flew a 747 into a thick concrete wall the results would be the same as the F4.
Ah so - ok. The physics involved is the rub.
OK ... and what of the black boxes? In 2001, each commercial aircraft had two indestructible black boxes. Indestructible except on 9/11 when 8 of 8 destructed.
Doubts.
No airplane.
There are a million details.
911 was phonier than JFK, ffs.
https://www.kunstler.com/p/good-faith-v-bad-faith/comment/331687392
The metal doesn't have to melt, it just has to soften.
The problem with 9/11 is less the event itself -- although we should probably keep an open mind even about that -- but what was behind it, what led up to it, and what has followed it.
We now have a long trail of globalist and intelligence community malfeasance, the fog finally lifting over JFK and the rest of the decade of assassinations, the assault on US banking and culture that began in 1973, and the subsequent nurturance of Islamic extremism as the new whipping boys to replace the Russians. Not to mention the Iraq debacle, Obama Trojan Horse presidency, the takedown of 2008, the creation of a security state monster, and the plandemic and gene serum experiment.
A good deal of that was kicked into gear by 9/11, enough to raise the possibility, even the likelihood, that what happened that day was not simply a lucky hit by a bunch of towelheads.
"Obama Trojan Horse presidency" Well put! It is feeling like that more and more. Along with the imagery of the deep leg crossing, bird frame, wrecking ball that he is.
Thanks. I've found, anecdotally, that understanding him in this way is a kind of first principle of contemporary sanity. Unless the nature of who he was/is and what he came to do is understood, I don't think contemporary events can be interpreted accurately.
well said.
Metal bends without heat, it bends with weight as NY’s Pfizer Building rebuild is collapsing due to weight added to the existing structure from above
Jet fuel doesn’t need to melt steel to cause structural failure. At high temperatures, steel loses much of its strength and can sag or buckle. The WTC explanation is impact damage plus prolonged fires—not melted steel.
After watching countless hours of video of that day, and reading the books I read about it, I stopped believing that 19 Muslim hijackers committed 9/11. Especially damning is Rebekah Roth's book Methodical Illusion, as well as her video, and Judy Wood's book What Happened to the Twin Towers.
Yet it and all the shit in the building that was on fire are hot enough to soften it.
One can't forge steel until you heat it up, and once it is soft, it sags and loses its ability to hold everything up.
There was some rumor the steel was defective, and the buildings were built differently, using tubes instead of solid I-beam construction.
The building was built around the exterior, holding up the weight, while the center was devoid of columns to hold it up and once the windows started popping out, it lost that external rigidity
I suggest looking into the structure and not just assuming the standard lie that no building has ever collapsed from a fire, blah blah blah.
No building has been built this way before or since.
So why down a plane in Pennsylvania? I guess yhe passengers were part of the conspiracy eh? Less kill ourselves for ... what again?
The VERY important Turning the Tide convention is taking place this week in NYC.
https://turningthetide911.org
The people must FIGHT for the truth.
Tony,,
You are absolutely correct! But what about the Jewish Space Lasers?
I doubt the triple child murderer in Massachusetts will get off the hook. The jury is hung, there is very likely to be a re-trial. But it is a sign of how far our legal system has gone off the track.
One man held the line harder than the 300 Spartans at Thermopylae. Reminds me of August Landmesser, the man who refused to salute Hilter: https://allthatsinteresting.com/august-landmesser
Or “Tank man” at Tiananmen Square.
How far our moral compass has gone off track.
11 for acquittal? One guy stood for Justice for the kids. I do not understand if the acquittal meant release of committal to mental health. IMO, any of the females on that jury that condoned what she did as should go on some list somewhere. MA is nuts.
MA is commie but actually slightly better that neighboring RI.
OJ
Juan Orlando Hernandez
George Santos
Enrique Tarrio
Our morality has gone off track....thank the femlib movement...
Let's hope the shitty gubment lawyers learned something.
Maybe the Feds can find a law she broke.
What I can't wrap my head around is killing the kids instead of just calling child health services and saying Come get them.
They salivate over fresh meat going into the system and would have hopped right on in.
I think this is the first time I’ve disagreed with you on anything, but there are too many loose ends in the 911 cover story that don’t make any sense.
Let’s start with building 7 which collapsed at almost freefall rate from a fire. That’s never happened in the history of steel buildings before or since.
it is also impossible for conventional jet airliners to pull off the types of high-speed maneuvers that were done to hit both the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, even with the best available pilots. The planes are just not built to withstand those air speeds at those altitudes.
There’s a lot of other things that don’t make sense, but the best way to understand that or any false flag event is to ask Cui Bono?
So just curious, in your mad world where hijacked jets were switched for aerial weapons systems capable of same, are the passengers of those 4 original airplanes living out a rich existence on a deserted island ala The Running Man, or were they killed by the government as part of the plot? Everyone who says steel can't deform this or that way or avjet fuel can't do this or that - and any so-called experts who say the same - are really in an odd mental trap. I suppose the recent leaning tower incident in NYC could not have happened either.
Unfortunately, those passengers were probably murdered. There’s no rational explanation for building 7 collapsing that way from fire. I don’t claim to know all the answers, only that the answers provided so far are impossible.
no point in arguing structural engineering of WTC1&2 until we can explain Building 7.
Exactly, and I find that most people who like to argue about this don’t even know anything about building 7!
What about the ground under those buildings. It's well know that the sub surface in Manhattan varies. Is it possible that what was happening above impacted the sub surface.
possibly to a small extent, but not to cause a freefall collapse of a steel structure
I give you building Seven, questions there.
Was on a conference call on the 36 Floor in Penn Plaza with unobstructed views of the Trade Towers when the first plane hit, but turned around to see the airplane scorch marks on the Building and the building on fire with heavy black smoke.
Will Never Forget the second plane just appear above us and to our right, we were hoping that it was heading to the Hudson River and NY Harbor but it wasn’t descending it veered to the right and button hooked into the second Tower.
It wasn’t a Missile it was a Plane! The day for all those victims their families and the rescuers got worse from there!
It was a Plane!
That must’ve been a very horrific experience, but of course, in such stressful real time events, eyewitness accounts can often be wrong
Instead of questioning your ideas, you call an eyewitness wrong. ???
it’s a common place that eye witnesses are often wrong.
Corrin I wasn’t the only one the whole 36 Floor was watching it happen in real time! It was Planes!
I saw it live on TV. A reporter was screaming that a plane had just gone over him on 5th Avenue IIRC. The Anchor thought he was referring to the first plane but he was screaming it was a different plane and then boom, just as you describe. I had gone home for a while as a truck I was waiting for at the warehouse called to say he was behind schedule. Otherwise I would not have seen it happen. I also know a local guy who was in the Pentagon when it was hit. His office was the first one next to the impact area that wasn't destroyed.
i’m sure that if I had seen what you saw, I would believe that too. That doesn’t make it accurate.
Rebekah Roth said she believes they were all put aboard one plane and gassed. Listen to Cee Cee Lyles's phone call, turn up the sound real loud, and you'll hear something just before she hangs up,vand yes, she's calling on a handset phone.
I guess we never landed on the moon either, huh?
I never said that. But I do understand that it’s very difficult for Americans to believe that their own government could be involved in such a dastardly act.
Just as many refuse to believe that the Covid vaccine was developed and deployed as a population control device
if the intelligence community is willing to run a soft coup against the POTUS, what won't they do? Are they really our government?
You can go back and ask if they were willing to kill JFK what else are they willing to do?
Bush was no threat to the DS. Cheney was part of DS. Get real. There was no soft coup. Bush was in over his head and was already pliable by the DS.
COVID: That was the Dems opportunity to actually ensure that Trump ( naive about the extent of the DS) did not get re-elected. Biden was installed.
COVID was when the WEF goals came out of the closet. Doesn't anyone here follow geo-politics?
Right. The US Democrats (< 2% of earth's population) ran a program whereby 100% of earth's ~200 nations all joined in lockstep (notwithstanding not being able to agree on what side of the road to drive on).
Good thinking. 🙄
the soft coup refers to the collective of RussiaGate, the Ukraine phone call impeachment, and the assassination attempts against Trump
Well...I thought you were referring to POTUS during 9/11....not Trump 1.0. The subject was 9/11 and the DS was probably smaller and less lethal at that time.
It's difficult for an American to believe their government is capable of shutting thousands of people up for a caper like this to happen.
We know exactly how incompetent our government and intel agencies really are.
That is correct.
Airliners are much stronger and more maneuverable than you think. I believe it was in 1955 that Boeing Test Pilot, Tex Johnson, performed a roll over Puget Sound in Seattle with a Boeing 707 4 engine jet airliner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra_khhzuFlE
The Twin Towers were structurally built to withstand a low on fuel 707 Planes when they were built same with the Three Mile Island Nuclear Power Plant!
Bigger Planes and Loaded with Fuel started the eventual collapse of the Towers and the Water to cool the Reactors added to the Reactors demise!
i’m not a aeronautic engineer, but it’s my understanding that it has to do with the speed at sea level. It is estimated that the jets, or whatever they were, hit the World Trade Center at 500 mph which is not a speed that they are built to withstand at that elevation.
The “limits” you’re referring to are imposed to help preserve the airframe over its lifetime, and not because it would immediately self-destruct. It’s no different than the Navy’s 7g “limit” for an F-18 Super Hornet when it can legitimately do 10g - not exceeding 7g extends its service life.
When they dug out, the remains of the planes were there, in NYC, Pentagon, and Shanksville. They were a missile, a flying body full of explosives. The al Qaeda boys knew exactly what they were doing.
Should the USFS stop flying their DC-10’s into California canyons at tree top level for fire suppression missions?
First of all those planes are modified for that particular purpose and secondly my research indicates that they only fly at about 170 mph when actually dropping the water. They can transport to the site at higher altitude at 500 MPH but then they have to slow down when they go to a lower elevation.
Not if they have zero concerns about warping the airframe and ruining the aircraft for future use.
I will give you another factoid: the average modern jet, Boeing or Airbus, can fly faster than the speed of sound but is denied that ability because of all the broken windows and complaints it would cause.
It has nothing to do with ability.
Do look up the actual architecture of the buildings; they were not standard I-beam construction.
There was also talk that the steel in the tubular external frame that held the structure up was bad or brittle.
This construction technique used far less steel so the standard plane fire steel theory is out the window.
It happened; the rest is hot air.
You don't imagine millions upon millions of pounds of falling structures next to you would not shake your structure to pieces?
Good point. I've often thought that those falling towers would be the equivalent of an earthquake.
In fact, the falling towers did register on local Richter scales, but not at a very high level, certainly not enough to account for the total disintegration of building 7
Damn, you do not know that. One or two floors damaged and the structure can collapse, that design was flawed.
Buildings stuffed with asbestos that cound not be rented or used for anything. Insurance policy tripled the day before 9/11.
You are accusing someone of murdering 3900 people for money? Al Qaeda sounds more feasible.
the timing of Building 7 coming down and its purported reason makes zero sense.
i’m not going to engage you debate because you’re obviously emotionally involved in your position and are one of those who find it impossible to even conceive of any other scenario than the conventional story
Sounds like some serious projection.
if you’re referring to building seven, no I don’t believe that’s even remotely possible
Those "pink people" sure look happy. Those aren't "pot grins" either, those are Prozac smiles.
"Pill Poppers" support their community??? Very sick.
Great post - outstanding overall summary of modern life. Certainly the last 25 years have been historic in the sheer magnitude of cultural change and Chaos. Sifting through the complex processes in play isn't easy. In fact, pretty much impossible. Anyone can come up with a "world view" to explain things - how they work, how we got here - but most people have just been beaten down to the point where they shudder to think about anything more than basic survival now. Politics is now just a side show.
Will logic and cooler heads prevail over desperation and psychotic breaks?
It's apparent to me that the complex structure of insanity cannot continue, but how it all transitions to the simpler lives, lower standards of living, and back to basics that the future holds is a wild-ass guess - at best. Whatever comes to pass is most likely to involve a harsh lesson in "getting real" for most people who've had the luxury of creating and living a bizarre life outside of the normal checks and balances of pragmatic society. You want to identify as a cat, or insist others practice your values and think like you? Bugger off.
Well said.
This was a good amount to digest this morning.
We are Americans we will find our way out of this mess together even if it means more crying by the fools.
In the meantime today wish, The Hard Working People the Salt of the Earth who make our lives possible.
Here’s to you, Cheers 🍻
William, the real problem is that we are no longer Americans in the majority. Americanism has been diluted out of our culture. It distresses me to see so much evidence right here in CFN, so much anti-Americanism.
And the absolute stupidity of it all is astounding.
The 9/11 was an inside job..by our government..The fact that the same murderous tribe is invading the USA today should come as no surprise to anyone. The Mujslim cult is taking over the world, and doing the bidding of the psycopaths that allow them to work. They took over England in the early 1970's..now..here they are..taking one state at a time..with the blessing of our government. soon, you will be praying 5 times a day..facin g east..get used to it or don't..now is the time to choose your actions.
frightful thoughts. Muslims are the devil.
Yes, on 9/11 George Bush Junior (worst President ever) sent a private plane around the country to pickup members of the Bin Laden family and wisk them away before questions could be asked. It was an inside job.
Here is a good place to look to find the seeds for the weeds that are ripping through western civilization: Antonio Gramsci – The Most Dangerous Intellectual of the Twentieth Century.
Not the most famous. Not the most read. The most dangerous and the most consequential – because he was the one who figured out why the revolution kept failing, and what to do instead. The man who invented the long march through the institutions.
https://x.com/kristof_poland/status/2096207075386786042?s=61
When we who are of our host’s generation were kids today’s post would have just seemed like mystifying nonsense. Yes, we were gradually learning that our institutions couldn’t necessarily be trusted, and that the narrative of the day might be false, but its promulgators were still obliged to make it sound plausible. They couldn’t get away with spouting patent nonsense. And yet, here we are.
As they said back in that day, “it takes two to tango,” and absurdities like drag queen shows in elementary schools could never have become a thing without a credulous citizenry that will buy pretty much any damned thing that “authorities” tell them. How the hell did THAT happen? Were all of our bullshit detectors confiscated by the Deep State when we weren’t paying attention?
For much of our lives we have been living in prosperous times, and pretense is a luxury that cannot be afforded in lean ones. As in Aesop’s wise fable about The Ant and the Grasshopper, instead of binge streaming TV series we would have been wise to establish productive gardens; while fiddling with our cell phones we might better have been updating our electric grid.
When that grid is down for who-knows-how-long, it won’t avail us to pretend that we have that wood stove we’d been meaning to buy, or that we have cut an adequate supply of fire wood to survive the winter. Things are about to get real again, and when they do all of these absurdities will melt away like a Popsicle in August.
It does appear that 9/11 was the event that shattered America. Would Woke ideology have stayed locked up in academia had it not been for 9/11? Would our now 5th encounter with communism have not appeared were it not for 9/11? It's impossible to prove, but it seems likely.
We are in the eye of a Fourth Turning. For some perspective, the last Fourth Turning resulted in WW2. The previous one gave us the Civil War and Franco/German War. Before that, the American Revolution and French Revolution. The American and French revolutions are the best example of how such a turning can go very good or very bad.
Just think about the corollaries, Pearl Harbor, the Maine and Fort Sumter. Was 9/11 the trigger? Remember too they tried the same stunt in the basement in 1993.
Yes. Engineers said another 100 pounds of explosive and it would have come down then. The idiot then trying to get his deposit back on the rental truck is unparalleled stupidity of the highest order
Do we remember OK city? Fertilizer!
The disease of America’s body politic is terminal; the gangrene of apostasy set in long ago. Moral and social corruption is rampant in rulers and ruled alike.
A known Chicago-based community organizer, who was supported by the DSA 25 years ago and bootstrapped by Weather Underground terrorists, may be at the root of this madness.
Oh yes..old Bathouse-Barry. He is/was a real piece of work.
Great post. The concept of our national immune system being compromised is KEY. My parents, of the 'Greatest Generation' had their rock-solid belief that the US was just one nation among many. And, that the other nations of the world don't really like us, largely because of simple envy. The boomers and later generations have bought into the pablum that we are 'the leaders of the Free World' and are entitled to steer other countries fates, and enlighten the benign and admiring foreigners to become us. Of course this was fatal folly. We SHOULD HAVE merely let the rest of the world be. We should have made our own national 'defenses' bulletproof and multidimensional: By that I mean advanced and sophisticated armed forces (this we have done), super-selective and micro-sized immigration policy (we have done the opposite of this), secure and ever-strengthening currency and reserve wealth (again the opposite), and a realization that our mass media and Democrat party is indeed a 'domestic enemy' within, indistinguishable from International Communism (again we did the opposite). On this last point, the signs of this were loud, clear, 5/9/9, from the time of Wilson on, still by ignorance, denial, or being snake-charmed by them, we were blind to it. We have a persistent, suicidal, national folie, all of us do. It is the childish belief that, if Americans and its immigrants are given a choice between 1.) the good, belief in the Almighty, in Western civilization, and the Constitution; or 2.) evil in the form of envy, murder to an end, tyranny, atheism, and all corruption, leading to Communism; that they will choose good. The sad reality is that they will mostly choose bad. And our nation has forgotten THAT, to its peril. And we are now, finally, on the eve of the 25th anniversary of the best, slap-in-the-face, example of this above fact, JUST BEGINNING to regain the good sense that my parent's generation had, as plain old humans raised by their own American parents, in their own American neighborhoods.
The March toward DSA shows that you may be optimistic. This country’s people are becoming third world class, so it is no wonder that the country as a whole is also.
The greatest generation put people like Mamdani and al-Sayed in prison or executed them for treason. We are not our grandfather’s America.
Also, we did some of what you said, it was directed at Russia in a two dimensional world. Technologically, we defended ourselves from the threat from Russia, 9/11 changed that.
The 4 teams of a mixture of Saudi terrorists and others, had all of the intentions of completing
their slaughter of roughly 3000 innocent individuals, but, our American Administration became
warned of their intent, and therefore, made it appear that Saudi terrorists would be issued visas,
issued by worthess John Brennan, the CIA chief located somewhere in Saudi Arabia, to enter the
United States, but, when the Saudi terrorists landed in the United States, they were arrested, but
I am not aware of their fates, nor am I aware of why the United States required the deaths of
nearly 3000 people, to make an American point. What transpired on 9/11, appears to be a
resurrection of how the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, on December 7, 1941. On both
occasions, September 11, 2001, and December 7, 1941, our American Government knew exactly
the intentions of our enemies on these 2 fateful dates, therefore, as I have imparted many times
in the effn past, our Government views its citizens, as EXPENDABLE, in asking worthless Johnson,
as our American POTUS after the death of JFK, why he perpetuated the war in Vietnam, further?
What say thee, America?
I sayeth I agree with thee. And, yes, the main "point" of "social media" is surveillance so, yes, My Real Name™ will hereby be Palantir-coded into some demonic database by simply making said statement. So be it. With the super-vacuum data abilities of our "intelligence" apparatus it seem highly implausible that this apparatus simply missed these Saudi-passported amateur pilots. I hope those 79 virgins were worth it. "Lord have mercy on the innocents and punish the wicked"
I always felt that Johnson and his pals the Hunt Brothers had something to do with the death of JFK. That famous photo called "The Wink" when they were flying the casket back to Washington.
In the Bible, when the world decided to build their Tower of Babel to overthrow God, He intervened and sent them all scurrying, confused, and in chaos, by confounding their language into many languages causing them all to scatter.
The Transnational Progressive movement was gaining serious steam in the world right up through the late 90’s and early 2000’s, largely by using the “Climate Change Agenda” a their chosen vehicle to literally alter the economies and governments of nearly every country on earth, sans China. Russia and the Middle East, (coincidence?).
But in 2016 God threw a hammer, going by the name of Trump, into those works, which succeeded in confounding the, up until then, “agreed upon language”, and as a result, in nearly everything that has transpired since then this act has come to define the very battle we’ve been engaged in in our contemporary history: do we want a world with or without God?
That’s what everything is always all about.
"Despite all the forensic debate since then, I go with the original explanation that four teams of jihadi maniacs did the 9/11 deed."
"You can't fix stupid."
"It’s also hard to fathom how the London bankers (whoever they are?) have any sympathy with the Marxist revolutionaries who want to end the concept of private property and the instrumentalities of money that go with it."
Surely you jest. Their name in the House of Rothschilds.
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Owning absolutely everything while the rest of mankind is (mainly) killed off or (the 500M remaining) in bondage/servitude for all eternity.
🤷🏻♂️. You can't "fathom" that?