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Thomas Madden's avatar

Criminal Defense Attorney checking in here. Ghislaine Maxwell is a convict, a Criminal Defendant serving time in prison. You cannot trust ANYTHING a criminal defendant says, and that goes double for one who is serving time in jail or prison. Such a person will lie about everything including their own name. The first rule of criminal defense is never trust your client. So, telling me, Inmate Number 425, Ms. Maxwell says. . .is literally useless. It's a fine post, I don't have a problem with it, but I do not believe one solitary words the convict says, and neither should anyone else. Think about it--a person will literally say anything, and do anything to get out of jail or prison. It's human nature. Oh, and of course, no one ever wants to admit to wrong doing, whether it is a speeding ticket or a homicide. Again, lie/deny/minimize, that's the name of the game for criminals. If Ms. Maxwell, or any other prison inmate, told me the sky was blue, I would be sure it's raining. I would not believe one solitary word that she says, about literally anything at all.

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Andrea405's avatar

She is not reliable, agreed, but to make her story palatable, truths are sprinkled in like salt.

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Thomas Madden's avatar

I dunno. I have had many, many clients charged with DUI swear up and down they were stone cold sober or "Just had one beer" and then I get the Discovery, and find out that they were so drunk they soiled themselves, are on video barely able to stand up, and blew a .20 Blood Alcohol Concentration. I have had guys swear they had nothing to do with a theft, not realizing that they were caught on video, in living color, running out of the store with stolen merchandise in their hands. I am telling you, the WORST lawyers are criminal defense attorneys who trust their clients. I have seen laugh-out-loud moments in courtrooms where "I didn't do nothing" turns into multiple eyewitnesses watching the suspect commit the crime, DNA, fingerprint evidence, and a signed confession. Yes, criminals really are that stupid, and they are profoundly dishonest. Ghislaine Maxwell is a convict, serving time in prison: I do not believe one solitary word she (or any convict serving time) says about ANYTHING.

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Fiat Lux's avatar

Like you, I had the experience of arresting criminals for 25 years and listened to them lie about everything. From speeding tickets to rape victims or the parents of children who would lie about anything to prevent their children from being arrested. I also agree that the worst lawyers were the idjits who believed their clients. I used to know a world class interviewer who taught for Reid who liked to say..."Never underestimate the blackness of the human heart."

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Thomas Madden's avatar

Many criminals are compulsive liars, and many compulsive liars are criminals. It's the way of the world. I like Kuntsler, but sometimes in his posts he appears to be gullible, and gullibility is a major weakness in people.

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Ben's avatar

Humans lie and often about the dumbest things.

We have one on this board that lies enough that he can't keep his story straight about statements he made last year and when caught and made fun of for his constant need for attention he whines and now pretends not to read what I post.

He claims to be the smartest person on this board.

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Ole Anderson's avatar

Switch out ‘criminals’ with ‘cops ‘. Both are true. Cops lie all the time on the stand. And get caught often because they don’t have the brain power to juggle all the lies so a good attorney Can trip them up at will.

Just like this Kuntsler, he can’t keep his story straight.

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E. Grogan's avatar

Mr. Kunstler never said he believes Ms. Maxwell; in fact he didn't state his opinion on it other than saying we'll have to see.

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Thomas Madden's avatar

If he didn't think that what she said was important, he wouldn't have written an entire article about it. Again, the words of a convict in prison are utterly meaningless and unreliable. Gullible people believe things that are obviously unreliable, again, gullibility is a major weakness in people. Donald Trump relied upon people's gullibility to get elected President back in 2015 and 2016. He loudly, endlessly, relentlessly promised that he would put Hillary Clinton in jail if he was elected. . .something he had no intention of ever doing, of course. People lie all the time, it's human nature. Believing their lies, though. . .that's a human weakness.

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GK's avatar

"I also agree that the worst lawyers were the idjits who believed their clients"

Not sure what to think about a lawyer who thinks other lawyers don't actually know that their clients are lying.

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Richard's avatar

Or what would ever constitute verified truth for Mr. Madden. The court system is so completely compromised who could believe the outcomes. Cops have stopped making arrests (or trying) where prosecutors and judges release

criminals repeatedly. It is in fact low level warfare in a long march to destroy America.

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Magdalene's avatar

It should also be noted that literally the only danger to her in making these statements is if she is found to be lying. That is not the case with all those other situations.

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GAVEMartin's avatar

During PBD Podcast-Episode 632, writer Michael Wolff states that Jeffrey Epstein told him:

I run a reverse ponsi scheme, where there is money, I make it appear that it does not exist.--

It makes sense when you watch the politicians jamming as big of numbers of dollars as possible into the system. And then they all stand back and skim...and get "elected" again.

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Grape Soda's avatar

I don’t consider Wolff credible, but this does seem plausible.

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E. Grogan's avatar

Wolff is a huge liar.

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GAVEMartin's avatar

It sounds like the caboose is in front of the train's engine. Some more of Wolff's responses:

Wexner said Jeffrey made him $1/2B dollars.

Epstein struck Wolff as more of a gossip than intel agent, a purveyor of information.

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Grape Soda's avatar

Interesting but unless I had a direct quote from Wexner plus evidence… anyone can say anything. Same with his impression. A good spy would cultivate exactly that type of persona. The last thing you’d seem like if you were a spy is a spy.

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GAVEMartin's avatar

I agree regarding Wolff's credibility. Sounds like he enjoys the "gossip scene" as much as he says J.E. did. He is also working to sell his book...it's on Super Sale. But I just checked on Peter Bernegger...(a bit about him from people who don't understand the scope of what a lot of people have been investigating for years.)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/27/peter-bernegger-wisconsin-election-denier

on his Telegram channel. The Smurffing dollars are massive and it is automated. Smurff = senior citizen identity theft-making political campaign contributions. Election research is what has me in this deep, deep, well. But everyone is smarter than me! I focus on what The Zark Files (Substack) reports on the voter rolls. Peter (WI) and Dr. Zark aka Andrew (NY) now know each other. Lots of friends across the entire country. And everyone's research ends up looking at the money. It is breathtaking.

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Truman Verdun's avatar

Whatever the truth is, find it, expose it, lay it out for all to see -- and then we can move on.

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Rick Foster's avatar

The dem party as it currently exists Must be treated like a deadly cancer

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Ron Anselmo's avatar

Yes, Rick, ammotherapy will do it.

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Rick Foster's avatar

Watering the Tree of Liberty with the blood of tyrants and Patriots . Somethinglike that..who said that??

Never heard that term before..good one

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Phil Denter's avatar

At a bare minimum, AIPAC should register as a foreign-country lobby ... because AIPAC is a foreign-country lobby.

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Blackbird's avatar

Give 'em all pagers...

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Phil Denter's avatar

I saw a career US military man speaking this morning. He is in very hot water for his social media posts opposing Israel's genocide in Gaza. He was told that he is now "a national security threat."

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"[U]nlikely" is the understatement of the year.

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The “victims” were not “children”— they were mostly teenagers, and very sophisticated ones at that. Fourteen to seventeen years old today and even fifteen years ago is not the same as it was when I was young. Many of them, before $$ were placed before them, entered willingly into their “service.” Hate to burst a pedophile bubble, but that’s technically not pedophilia, which is children up to age 7. Having done these investigations for a living, this is more a case of ephebophilia, and more likely perpetrated by older men against younger teen men. Like the priest scandal. I’ve always thought the JE scandal was overblown, and now more so.

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Phil Denter's avatar

"I’ve always thought the JE scandal was overblown, and now more so."

Right. And Ghislaine Maxwell being the daughter of a known Mossad agent* is irrelevant. Freaky weird but totally irrelevant.

Good thinking.

*Bang, bang Maxwell Silver Hammer

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WI Patriot's avatar

Could she be the 'mastermind' and used Jeff to snag the 'guest'. Maybe a chip off the old block and had a vendetta to settle? How many 'blue' dresses or bathing suits does she have in the closet. Still 'alive' in a low security jail. Sorry my tinfoil hat needs to be cleaned off again.

'Trump was a gentlemen' Oh, she's good at this shit. PT Barnum graduate.

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

Lol, as if she is not acutely aware of Trump's ability to pardon her like he pardoned Pollard's handler Aviem Sella on the last day of his first term:

https://patrick.net/memes?date=2025-08-25#4

Remember that Pollard gave US military secrets to Our Greatest Ally Israel, which then sold or leaked them to Russia, according to CIA Director George Tenet.

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Thanks, I'd be grateful if you'd repost that on my own site, maybe here:

https://patrick.net/post/1382763/2024-12-02-biden-pardons-hunter-biden-despite-his

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Phil Denter's avatar

Follow the money. Once we identify who bank-rolled Epstein/Maxwell, we'll have a better understanding as to why Epstein/Maxwell were funded for such a sick, sick criminal enterprise.

Temple of Ba'al, ffs!

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shibumi's avatar

These girls "who were not children" were still under the age of consent, so even if they were all in on the massage sex for money, it still was not legal.

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lela brister's avatar

Age of consent varies widely by State, 12 on up to 17.

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Ben's avatar

It is illegal in most states for a consenting adult to give a massage and then have sex that is called prostitution.

Nevada is the only state to my knowledge that has legalized brothels.

Feel free to correct me if there are other states as well.

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Ben's avatar

Hyperbole is ridiculous.

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The Littlest Hobo's avatar

More scare quotes: "victim" and "children". They were sophistimacated! And teenagers! Because teenagers famously are always in control when they encounter extremely wealthy older men, not the other way around. Right?

It's truly impressive how people will bend and warp themselves to get out of conclusions that scare them. Like, the conclusion that POTUS is guilty of anything and deserves punishment, not power.

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Lugh's avatar

Those young tarts tricked poor Epstein and poor prudish Ghislaine. They seduced them!

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SheilaB's avatar

First time I ever heard anyone claim that having sex with an 8 year old isn't paedophilia. I think you need to revise your definitions of paedo- , hebe- and ephebophilia.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/pedophilia

"Pedophilia is an ongoing sexual attraction to pre-pubertal children. It is a paraphilia, a condition in which a person's sexual arousal and gratification depends on objects, activities, or even situations that are considered atypical. Pedophilia is defined as recurrent and intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children—generally AGE 13 YEARS or younger—over a period of at least six months."

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JohnAZ's avatar

There are groups in the USA, Leftist of course, that want to legalize pedophilia. It is a measure of the evil that legalized sexual commerce can do. Sex is great, but the potential evil associated with it, not so much.

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Ben's avatar

Been saying since California courts struck down the voted on and passed defense of marriage act that stated marriage is one man and one women only that this was all about getting at the kids legally.

This voted on legislation passed by over 60% even in crazy California and the corrupt courts struck it down.

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Gwennie's avatar

Exactly right, SheilaB. Sex with an 8 year old is the definition of pedophilia...unless a person is a troll for NAMBLA, the North America Man Boy Love Association, whose motto is "sex by 8 or it's too late." Vile nonsense.

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MAGA_From_Heaven's avatar

How young do you like them?

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Gwennie's avatar

Wrongedy wrong wrong. You are saying in a blanket manner that 14-17 year old minors are different from when you were young. As far as I know, there is no legal standard that is based on how things have changed since Damn the torpedoes was young. Laws against the sexual abuse and exploitation of minors are still in place, thank God.

You seem very confused about the morality of sexual abuse and even refer to "younger teen men." Younger teens are not men, they are younger teens, and laws prohibit their sexual exploitation.

One of Epstein's victims recounted that for one of his birthdays he had twelve year old twin girls flown in from France to rape. That too young for society's protection, or do you want to argue they were especially "sophisticated"?

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Ben's avatar

Um gross!

Yes, a hundred years ago a fifty-year-old man schtooping a teen age girl was considered normal that is not the case now.

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Lugh's avatar

Good point. The whole 17 year olds as children does get pretty old. Yet we wisely don't let 17 year olds sign contracts and we look askance at them dating older people. We did let them die on Normandy beach and much young than that used to marry on the American frontier. But that's different than just being used as a plaything, right?

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Blackbird's avatar

No one is ever too young to die for someone else's cause.

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Demeter's avatar

Whatever. I don't believe anything said by anyone, except the child victims. What they said as children, not recent "revelations".

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Phil Denter's avatar

Was it not strange the way Jim kept putting quote marks around "victims"? I mean, it comes off like they've been called "victims" but they really, actually are not.

Very strange indeed.

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Blackbird's avatar

Get with the Narrative Oscar. Those girls are obviously not "victims" but victimizers, attempting to frame the monk-like, choirboy, science nerd Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffy is looking more angelic every time I read something about him. Such a shame he was forced to pretend to kill himself.

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Lugh's avatar

Obama often talked of how White felt like victims, but of course they were just feeling sorry for themselves for turning their nations over to non-Whites and the Scoundrel politicians.

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Al Davis's avatar

Appears James Howard is deflecting away from the Mossad angle. Could he be a Zionist too??

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Phil Denter's avatar

Worse. JHK recently pooh-poohed people blaming "Zionists" for anything at all. It came off like JHK believes that "Zionists" are not even truly a real political movement at all!

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I find that Zionists (in general, not JHK specifically) hate when you love Jews but oppose Zionists' words/actions for it throws them off of their standard m.o. See, many Zionists are just so accustomed to simply ad homming any and all opposition with their simple catch-all "Anti-semite!" that they are MIA* when they are opposed by people who love Jews.

*MIA is an ironic term in this context since Zionists don't really battle. Zionists are the king of, "Let's you and him fight."

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Phil Denter's avatar

Yes. Pretty disappointing, really. Downright sad even.

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Ben's avatar

Have you known any abused children when they grow up they don't usually remember anything and then there is a triggering event say one of their kids hits a certain age and bam some of it comes back but more as a bad dream.

Most of the trauma is blocked off.

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Demeter's avatar

I know this from personal experience, but if someone was really listening then, there's a witness verified.

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Ben's avatar

Sorry to hear that.

I watched a cousin go through this and she was never sure what was real and what was put into her head by the people she was talking to in order to get past it.

She never has and probably never will.

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I didn't remember an incident with a babysitter that happened when I was 12 until I was around 30 years old...

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Casey Jones's avatar

You have a time machine? Really?

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GAVEMartin's avatar

It's banking.

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Phil Denter's avatar

"All wars are banker's wars." - Michael Rivero

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Mike McAdams's avatar

All done to distract the masses and use it when convenient to attack an opponent ie Trump- claiming he went to the island …

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Howard Skillington's avatar

The Epstein Business offers us a bountiful smorgasbord of beliefs from which to choose, with cause to embrace or call bullshit on most of them. Given the dazzling number of possible players with nefarious motives, my guiding principle is What Makes Sense, starting with his supposed suicide, in a cell designed to prevent the act, and with every measure designed to prove what happened disabled: no way in Hell. He was murdered by parties who had the clout to override the reputations of those whose responsibility was to keep him alive.

Moving on: was the whole operation funded and designed to entrap and blackmail a large number of the most powerful and blackmailable men on earth? Of course, it was. There is no evidence that Epstein was a financial genius and self-made man, and several plausible benefactors who provided the means for him to set up his hugely expensive operation. Every part of that elaborate infrastructure was perfectly suited for blackmail.

Would Epstein have provided this fabulous illicit amenity for all of these movers and shakers just to be a pal? Gimmeabreak.

Was Ghislaine in the equation because she was best suited for hiring architects and managing his many properties, or perhaps because her father was an operative for Mossad? That would be the same Mossad which has long employed honey traps and blackmail among its methods of control. If you believe the former, you are assigned to the Short Bus.

Was Mr. Trump among those blackmailed? Admittedly, he is the sort of guy you’d suspect of being a regular on the Lolita Express. Nope. His many enemies threw everything at him that they could possibly use to end his political career. They even made up the ludicrous Pee Tape Story. If they had a video of him banging an under-aged girl they'd have used it to destroy him. They don’t.

As for trivial details: was Epstein sexually dysfunctional? It makes sense that he would have been, and it’s amusing to think so. Were he and Ghislaine lovers? Who cares?

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Well, this adds more to the saga. It sure is a distraction.

A number of blogs back our host mentioned in passing, to my recollection, how ‘the Epstein files’ have been held and handled by so many, particularly during the “Joe Biden” years, just about anything could have been either added, altered, or deleted. Which brings a chain-of-evidence issue. Big-time. I’ll offer this as one possibility why, when former prosecutor Pam Bondi got ahold of 'the files' and took a look, they were a non-starter as a court case.

Which leads to why, if they exist, another reason for obfuscation is in play. If it was an intel operation might this involve Mossad, MI6, CIA, that sort of three-way? And if so, facts and truth have already left the room (if they ever entered at all).

For a further possibility, consider Vlad of Russia, the former KGB guy, might know a thing or three. These intel agencies do talk to each other (in their own language, as it were). Info trades happen, if no other reason than to keep the cloak-and-dagger business primed.

Pass the popcorn.

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SheilaB's avatar

Intel agencies grew out of secret societies. The CIA was created by the Knights of Malta (you just need to put 'CIA created by Knights of Malta' in a search engine and there it is. I believe one of the information sites on this is the CIA!).

Intel agencies do not exist to protect their populations. As with everything else (banking, politics ...), if you go high enough they're all (mutually blackmailable) 'mates'.

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I just watched a YT video I had never seen before about the Zorro, NM ranch. A contractor who worked on the interiors secretly took pics of rarely seen interior and exterior spaces before walking away from the job. He reveals every room was fitted w barely detectable cameras. I didn't believe one word of GM interview before seeing this video which only confirms that she's a complete stranger to the truth. I couldn't listen to even 10 minutes of her self-serving drivel. Moving her to a less secure confinement is deplorable as was her trial and the underhanded treatment of the victims by our government. I also heard that another inmate who complained about her was summarily punished and put into solitary. This is not an institution for violent criminals of which she is considered, why is she there Mr. President?

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Fiat Lux's avatar

Totally agree. GM is full of shit and willing to lie about anything to get out. Honestly, when someone asked Bondi a question about releasing Epstein's files- and Trump interrupted the question and scolded the reporter for asking- that's when I knew who stopped the release of the files. Simple as that.

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Occam's avatar

Not sure how she could say anything else, frankly.

The video cameras in the rooms in the house - that should be easy to check, no?

And, you know, those many victims - they can't give statements providing details?

The public is still being jerked around on this.

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JohnAZ's avatar

E. Carroll could not remember much about the supposed Trump tryst.

The real enemy of #metoo are the women trying to use the “Hefner” crowd for advancement and then using the courts to try to get the guys that make unfulfilled promises.

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Kitsune, Maskless Crusader.'s avatar

The victims took JE’s estate to court and won payouts.

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Ben's avatar

Now it looks like the feds are about to look at taking the rest.

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Darrell Koerner's avatar

At this point like reading the National Enquirer - a complete waste of time.

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William Wallace's avatar

Turns out reading the Enquirer was no different than reading the New York Times.

Headless Woman Found Topless Headlines were entertaining on your wait on the checkout line.

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Mr. No's avatar

Are you sure you're talking about the "Enquirer"? I've known credible people who worked for or contributed freelance to the "Enquirer" and my understanding is that that particular rag's reportage was not only accurate in the main but was in fact used as a sort of teaser to float information that the usual suspects wished to cover up. When that same info later appeared in the mainstream media, the public would not take it seriously, so the theory went. This was back in the day - 30 or 40+ years ago - when MSM was less corrupt than it is today. I think the paper you're referring to is the black-and-white "Weekly World News" (actually owned by the same company as "Enquirer"), That was the one with the "Topless Woman Found Headless" and "Bat Boy"-type headlines. (Anybody else remember Bat Boy? BTW I'm a professional journalist with 50+ years' experience - but not with The Enquirer or WWN.)

So far a Ghislane's testimon is concerned, I would take it with a grain of salt. A very large grain of salt.

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The Littlest Hobo's avatar

You're right about the National Enquirer's reputation for being factual. It's a good idea to make sure of your sourcing when you're publishing gossip, so you don't get sued.

But for the record, the "Topless" headline actually read "Headless Body in Topless Bar" and ran in the NY Post in 1983. https://nypost.com/2015/06/09/new-york-post-editor-and-film-critic-vincent-musetto-dies-at-74/

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TomNearBoston's avatar

Thanks for correcting that, Cyril. As a kid growing up I often got a laugh from Post headlines.

Little did I suspect that society would degrade so much before I reached old age that those tabloid headlines, in memory, shimmer like Shakespearean sonnets when compared to the pedoporno tiktok hellscape of today's popular culture.

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elysianfield's avatar

Mr. No,

Why the attitude? Ghislane is in prison, being actively rehabilitated. Why would she lie about sex? Women don't lie about these things.

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shibumi's avatar

Didn't the National Enquirer break the story about John Edwards cheating on his wife?

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Alzaebo's avatar

Who could forget Bat Boy introducing Bill Clinton to the aliens? If you want to know why the world is the way it is, well there's your answer right there. The aliens did it!

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Lugh's avatar

Hitler knew and liked many aliens.

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William Wallace's avatar

Yes, they did have scoops on news stories that beat out the major papers too.

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tom clark's avatar

NY Times=NY Post=National Enquirer as print media vie for your hard-earned $$.

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Pierre Duranleau's avatar

Maxwell is right up there with Mother Theresa…

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DDForTruth's avatar

According to THAT rabbit hole, yes, yes she is!

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Lugh's avatar

Drop the t. Yes, yes you can.

Obama's Yes, yes we can is said to be Praise Satan when played backward

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Phil Denter's avatar

I've heard tell that even Mother Theresa was no Mother Theresa. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Pierre Duranleau's avatar

Indeed, I understand that Theresa was a bad mother.

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DDForTruth's avatar

"mother"?

Even THAT'S questionable

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Pierre Duranleau's avatar

Indeed. Everything is in question

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Eric Fuleftists's avatar

Oh yes, nihilism is intellectually de rigueur.

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Phil Denter's avatar

"Shut yo mouth!"

"I'm only talkin' 'bout Shaft."

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Pierre Duranleau's avatar

😲

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William Wallace's avatar

Sister Maxwell.

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Occam's avatar

Wow, so we'll just walk away and never think about it again. All the stories, eyewitness accounts, victim statements, settled lawsuits and 16 yo masseuse recruited by people close to the ringleaders.

Don't believe that, believe what we're telling you now.

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The Littlest Hobo's avatar

Don't let this guy spin you. Look at how he tells the story. Notice in particular how he uses strategic scare quotes: four times around the word "victim", once around the word "trafficking". He's trying to manufacture doubt about the core of the case. The core of the case is not, and never was, allegations about Epstein's ties to Mossad; it's that Epstein and Maxwell both engaged for years in systematic trafficking of underage girls for sexual abuse. Those girls, now women (the survivors), aren't "victims". They're *victims*.

It's really quite something how credulous this article is about Ghislaine Maxwell's testimony. This is a woman who has been tried and convicted in a court of law, and expects to die of old age in prison unless POTUS comes through with a Hail Mary pardon. No one has ever had better reason to lie (to the extent her lawyers counsel her she can get away with), dissemble, shape the truth, emphasize certain aspects of the case while minimizing others, etc. Every word from her mouth should be assumed untrustworthy, closely scrutinized and compared against independent verifiable evidence.

Why would POTUS pardon her? Seriously, why? If he does so, anyone who doesn't at least imagine he fervently wants the whole Epstein thing to just dry up and blow away, for the guiltiest of reasons, isn't a functioning adult. The whole world knows Trump and Epstein were closely associated for years. Allies and enemies alike understand that POTUS is a vulgar, greedy narcissist whose whole world revolves around gratifying his desires. But he has to weigh his options carefully. Does he leave her to rot, endure people continuing to hound him about Epstein, and possibly still risk jeopardy of certain facts coming out? Or does he set Ghislaine Maxwell free, thereby purchasing her silence (actually, purchasing a convenient narrative that exonerates him while painting his enemies as the real perverts), and thereby confirm for everyone with two brain cells to rub together that he's guilty as sin? It's a real pickle.

A pickle also for his supporters. It's sad to see the author trying to put English on the story to help Trump in his effort to make it go away. Don't be fooled.

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Demeter's avatar

Since President Trump is not only president, but a very senior citizen, I hardly think anyone can do anything to him or his reputation, especially since they haven't succeeded after all this time.

Vulgarian? Are you going to insult every native of the 5 boroughs? greedy? As opposed to saints like you? Narcissist? You're going to sprain your back lifting such nonsense.

Unless you have personal, and in-person information, don't buy the Clinton/Deep State BS.

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Steve hall's avatar

She's clearly correct about Trump. It's obvious that he is all that, and worse. A real POS

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The Littlest Hobo's avatar

Huh? I'm insulting every native of the five boroughs by describing Donald Trump? Where do you get this nonsense?

So, I have to be a saint before I can criticize, and I have to be a personal eyewitness before I can have an opinion. Sure, buddy.

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tom clark's avatar

Remember Jan. 6!

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JohnAZ's avatar

I do, the biggest miscarriage of justice by any US government. The ultimate frame-up. If it ever gets fully investigated, Pelosi, Cheney, will both end up in the slammer.

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Alzaebo's avatar

James Caan in the Ahnold movie, "Eraser":

"We did Nam, we lost.

We did the Gulf, we won.

What changed? Nuthin'.

The only difference is, who gets rich, and who gets dead."

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Lugh's avatar

It's all just anti-Semitism. People are always dreaming up how Jews do terrible things to children. They're envious goys who don't know how to make money. As Aril Sharon said, No man can judge a Jew, but a Jew can judge any man.

Ghilsaine's father fought in WW2. He used to go around shooting wounded German soldiers on the battle field. The English officers were appalled. Hypocrites! They wanted to do the same thing but were held back by "invisible bonds" of so called morality. . Marlin has approved of this kind of thing in the past, affirming that ordinary American soldiers often did the same thing.

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SheilaB's avatar

Being held back by morality (your conscience) from doing evil things your worst self feels inclined to do is hypocrisy?

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Lugh's avatar

"She is the flashing-eyed muse that stares into the face of injustice, and points and laughs. She is the solace of the angry, her name is Satire."

Source unknown

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The Littlest Hobo's avatar

Wow.

I grew up reading about anti-Semitism, but it was always in the abstract. No one in my acquaintance walked around being this cartoonishly hateful. I still remember the day I first encountered real, unironic anti-Semitism in the wild: it came in the form of e-mail spam (the very first piece I ever received! This was in the mid-90s) from an outfit I won't name. I held it in contempt then and I hold you in contempt now.

Kindly don't agree with anything I say in future. It'll save me the trouble of having to wipe your nasty verbal diarrhea off my rain slicker.

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Lugh's avatar

So are you for or against the killing of German POWs? Remember, they were Nazis!

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Alzaebo's avatar

And the German civilians supported them! Just like Gaza! Like Serbia, or Iraq!

So, if collective punishment is on the table...

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Lugh's avatar

What is Sneed's game?

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Magdalene's avatar

She also is in no danger from her statements UNLESS she is found to be dishonest, hence her very carefully worded statements. It's almost like most folks have already made up their minds because they see humans as either "good" or "evil" & cannot think strategically.

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Storie Mooser's avatar

His supporters? Hey, wait, you can't accept that what constitutes truth in cause, or motive, or in characterization must be sourced from a confetti of contradictions, some due to deliberate manipulative lies.

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The Littlest Hobo's avatar

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here? Contradictions and/or deliberate manipulative lies, yes, absolutely. I believe at one and the same time that there is an objective truth about the world, and that we're often simply not able to know what it is.

We can still have an opinion, though, and an overall assessment of the situation. My opinion is, it's completely plausible to think Trump is guilty of something heinous. Many of his supporters support him because they think he's the answer to all the corruption and evil in America's ruling class. I think that's delusional, but it's what they think. The thought that their protagonist was and is actually at the very heart of all the heinousness is thus extremely painful. No wonder, then, if people do mental gymnastics to avoid the thought. I don't find the thought painful at all, because I never thought Trump was anything other than a charlatan and a con artist from the beginning, and he's really obviously part of the problem, not the solution. For what it's worth.

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Storie Mooser's avatar

Maybe the founders of this nation were delusional in believing that the triad of divided branches would actually prevent the condensing of all three into one at the behest of a cabal of regulatory and security agencies operating outside of "representative consent".

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Ben's avatar

Some of this was what the press was to highlight.

The press has largely abdicated highlighting the abuses of one party and helping make up lies about the other.

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The Littlest Hobo's avatar

People rhapsodize so much about The Genius Of The Founders, but I'm pretty sure they understood they were only creating a structural impediment to tyranny, not an ironclad guarantee against it. Impediments get overcome all the time.

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Storie Mooser's avatar

Well,......there is Mass Formation Psychosis occasioned when the Ambiguity Tolerance Threshold for that "mass" is breached, resulting in all the historic horrors such as the Spanish Inquisition along with latter day secular equivalents such as the Bolsheviks, Nazism, Maoism & Wokism.

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The Littlest Hobo's avatar

POTUS likes to feel powerful, and is an emotionally crippled man-toddler. So as long as you put him in the big chair, give him his daily tongue bath, and let him pull the levers and ring the bells exactly as he damn pleases, you can manipulate him any way you want and he'll simply never notice or care.

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michael janket's avatar

short and sweet explanation. Trump strikes me as desperate, potentiating his erratic judgments and actions. Caught between hell and breakfast, he doesn't know which way to turn.

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Steve's avatar

Follow the money..

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Steve (recovering lawyer)'s avatar

Thanks for taking the time to read the transcript Having read many transcripts over the years, I was always--always--taken aback at the quasi-illiterate language, syntax and diction they contained. And I'm talking about mine! Thing is, we seldom take the time to listen to what we say or how we say it. The "professionals" on TV, podcasts, radio, are themselves guilty of the same thing; so many "ya know", "like", "I mean" etc. When one takes the time to think before one speaks, it is easier to enunciate words and string coherent sentences together, but almost nobody does that. And add to that the constant ejaculation of "the F word" and you have a perfect storm of incoherence.

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GAVEMartin's avatar

Thank you! This succinctly states what I have read/heard too. It is a crime committed against the English language. I kept hearing myself say "lemme" instead of "Let me" to the point that I now say, "What the hell is a "lemme"? I know it can be thought of as a very cute little animal. Poor listeners.

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Damn the torpedoes's avatar

Or the annoying habit of younger people today the drop every “t” in any word! For example: phantom becomes phan-um. Canton becomes Can-uhn, and on an on ad nauseum.

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GAVEMartin's avatar

I try to listen to myself now. My diction is terrible...working on it take focus. So many people lacking focus!

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Vegan Shark's avatar

High on the list of crimes against the English language (and maybe others) is delivery that's way over the speed limit. On TV especially, everybody seems to be in a race to see how fast they can say something. If they stop for breath, editing removes the pause and you're left with a jump cut. More often than not, documentary voice-overs are at such a pace that there's no time for the listener to absorb what he's just heard. It's all aimed at creating pseudo-excitement.

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GAVEMartin's avatar

Now That explains it! Pseudo-excitement. Where’s the next fire?

Very helpful to understand the ploy. Thank you!

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Fiat Lux's avatar

Having been a cop for 25 years, I don't believe anything that comes out of Maxwell's mouth. Never questioned about anything by the government?? Really?? How the hell did they prosecute her- pluck her from a crowd?

She was prepped and told not to open any doors before she ever said a word. If she wants any chance of a pardon, she better play nice with the President- and so she has. I mean they got to Epstein behind bars...

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Lugh's avatar

I do believe the White "victim" of the Baltimore beating who was never questioned by the police and had to drive herself to the emergency room.

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Phil Denter's avatar

Ya ... they "got to Epstein behind bars," all right. Then they whisked him away to a life of luxury like so many bin Laden's after 9/11.

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Ben's avatar

More bullshit from the dim bulb conspiracy cultist.

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Earthjack's avatar

GM: ‘I dindu nuffin’

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Thomas Madden's avatar

Literally just about ALL criminal defendants say that. I have been practicing Criminal Law for 30Y and know of what I speak. Ms. Maxwell is less credible that a politician, and that is saying something.

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Earthjack's avatar

Exactly!

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Lugh's avatar

She doesn't even like sex! Epstein can hardly have sex! Everything is the reverse of what people believe. Yet in the pictures, she is clearly in love with this dumb, dysfunctional guy. Strange world! What to believe? Nothing.

The super rich who sought him out because of his expertise in setting up offshore accounts where just fools. And a dog who is sometimes punished and sometimes petted regardless of his behavior will become passive.

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nancylee's avatar

And Nancy pelosi just threw darts at a stock market ticker tape It almost sounds like you're buying into this absurd mishmash I so miss Dave McGowan

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DWEEZIL THE WEASEL's avatar

Given my 30+ years as a Peace Officer, I can state this: Suspects often lie.

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Jeff Keener's avatar

Epstein's list is as real as the Steele "dossier".

Toldja.

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Lugh's avatar

Jeffy told us. That's enough for me!

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Dan Henry's avatar

She’s a liar who was convicted of sex trafficking. When she was on trial she chose not to go under oath to defend herself against those charges.

She worked for a criminal who pled guilty to a sex crime. He was allowed to walk because he had powerful friends.

Her father was a Mossad spy who was also a criminal - defrauded his worker’s pensions. He died under suspicious circumstances, as did Epstein.

You don’t have to be Sherlock Holmes to connect the dots here.

Real question is why didn’t the government try and seize Epstein’s fortune given it is most likely derived from criminal activity? Nearly half a billion dollars going to his brother! Seems odd given how the USG usually operates these days.

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