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I Lee's avatar

"Make America Disintegrate" or MAD

Perfectly expresses non-MAGA intentions and state of mind.

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Paving the Way's avatar

Part of my evolution under the COVID crime was to realize the role of central bankers, investment banking institutions, and their owned mega-corporations in the war against us. The Department of Defense is the biggest baddie of them all.

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Crixcyon's avatar

That's why they demand a 13% increase in funding. DOGE does not apply to the pantygon.

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Phil Denter's avatar

DOGE was a data heist to feed their AI.

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Magdalene's avatar

No one needed DOGE to suck up that data because it's already been being collected by the NSA for decades. Please use a little logic & reasoning instead of turning everything into doom & gloom, FFS.

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Phil Denter's avatar

Right. Musk's AI could not possibly gain from auditor access to every US Gov't database. Good thinking.

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Trump's WEF mandates are to smash Greenland, Canada and the USA into the Club of Rome's New World Order Region 1 - North American Union (NAU), instigate then manage the bankruptcy of the US$ and facilitate the transition from the prosperous corporatocracy that we knew (and loved) to their new thousand-times-worse-than-Orwellian technocracy.

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Reality is reality. Maligning reality as "doom and gloom" is exactly what Ayn Rand was saying: "You can ignore reality but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality."

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Magdalene's avatar

But you're arbitrarily inserting DOGE into a pre-existing ongoing

Conspiracy. There is a war within the establishment itself, I'm sorry you can't see it. But if you truly believe that there is no fight to be had, why do you even stick around? And

don't mean here in the comments section, I mean life in general. If you REALLY believe what you espouse, why bother??? Probably because you're just bitching.

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Phil Denter's avatar

Right. "Reality is far too daunting. I had better quit."

Good thinking.

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The "fight" is between Good and Evil. Just because Evil has both Red and Blue is hardly justification to give up on God.

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Ben's avatar

Phil is an idiot pay him no mind since he doesn't have one.

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GabeReal's avatar

No he’s not he has some valid points, he just needs to stay a bit more positive.

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Ben's avatar

Only if you are a far-left whacko who hates Americans, America and the current resident in the Whitehouse.

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Phil Denter's avatar

That's not true, little Chickbrain.

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Ben's avatar

VERY TRUE no brainer.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Right on

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Mark's avatar

moved data from one deep state to the new future deep state, some of the same characters surreptitiously jumping sides... Brandon Smith @alt capitalist, wrote and article 10 + years ago, that the powers that be will wax one way favoring dims then the pendulum swings back the other way, giving the appearance or political choice

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Agnes Gal's avatar

Another delusional democrat.

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Phil Denter's avatar

I'm no Democrat. I'm not even an Amereekan, ffs.

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Ben's avatar

Devoid of proof.

Devoid of reality!

Devoid of reason.

Full of shit as usual.

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Phil Denter's avatar

Trump's working for the bad guys, Chick-brain.

Otherwise, they'd get rid of him. D'uh.

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Ben's avatar

I repeat.

Devoid of proof.

Devoid of reality!

Devoid of reason.

Full of shit as usual.

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Phil Denter's avatar

Ben's working for the clampdown and his little warhawk brain can't handle the truth.

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Agent-86's avatar

Yes indeed. That was a good evolution of awakening for many of us. Wasn't it?

Sadly, it was only part of the overall awakening of so many more crimes against humanity.

Even though the US has not been in any 'Declared' wars since WW2, it has still been involved in too many since then. It is still involved in at least 2 undeclared wars right now!

What a huge understatement. "it has felt a little weird to celebrate their sacrifices minus any sense of political justice, victory, or meaning in the endeavors they sacrificed for."

MAGA will be nothing more than an empty campaign slogan, until it stops being involved in ANY wars. That is the only way to MAGA.

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SheilaB's avatar

"It is still involved in at least 2 undeclared wars right now!"

Exactly. And it contrived the earlier one. The later one couldn't happen without its support.

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Paul B. Cohen's avatar

No, not really.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

You shouldn’t drink so much. You are confused

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SheilaB's avatar

You should restrict your intake of mind-altering substances - they seem to make you arrogant and presumptuous.

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Cankerpuss's avatar

JHK said it perfectly at the end of his essay. MAGA is meaningless unless they start figuring out how to conquer the staggering mountain of debt that has been amassed. I don't care about anything else. The debt alone will enslave and destroy us and from all I can tell, Mr. Trump is as happy as a cat in a catnip patch to continue to add to the debt. It is unsustainable and it will destroy us. Until MAGA gets serious about this problem I can't take MAGA seriously.

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Paul B. Cohen's avatar

Sounds noble of you, but you don't always have a choice when dealing with hostiles. Like Harry Truman said, "How many times do you have to be hit upside the head before you realize who's hitting you?!"

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Lugh's avatar

Jewish Virtual Library

In this rather shocking entry from his diary, President Truman makes disparaging remarks about the Jews, especially, and others he believes become as cruel as their persecutors once they achieve wealth and power.

6:00 P.M. Monday July 21, 1947

Had ten minutes conversation with Henry Morgenthau about Jewish ship in Palestine. Told him I would talk to General Marshall about it.

He’d no business whatever to call me. The Jews have no sense of proportion nor do they have any judgment on world affairs.

Henry brought a thousand Jews to New York on a supposedly temporary basis and they stayed.

When the country went backward – and Republican in the election of 1946, this incident loomed large on the D.P. program.

The Jews, I find are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D.P. as long as the Jews get special treatment.

Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the underdog. Put an underdog on top and it makes no difference whether his name is Russian, Jewish, Negro, Management, Labor, Mormon, Baptist he goes haywire. I’ve found very, very few who remember their past condition when prosperity comes.

Look the Congress attitude on D.P. – and they all come from DPs.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

What would possess Truman to have such a position on the Jews? How can he state such a Morally charged statement? I’m amazed. He begrudged the Jews that entered the country. Why?

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Geowhizz's avatar

A zionist faction tried to assassinate him via mail bombs. Maybe that’s it. Per his daughter’s biography of her father, Harry Truman.

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Paul B. Cohen's avatar

Yes, so Truman agrees with the Word of God: "What then? Are we any better? Not at all. For we previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin" (Rom 3:9).

Now it's the Koran that doesn't malign its own people, the Muslims, which it calls "the best of people." And since you behave in such manner, condemning others while excluding yourself, you're a Muslim in spirit whether you acknowledge it or not, and "Allah" rules over you.

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Lugh's avatar

So you agree with the Word of God that Jews are no longer the Chosen People - even as Truman shows?

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SheilaB's avatar

It's more complicated when you're dealing with hostiles you created yourself for political purposes. And when your army stood down for hours to allow them to do what the Egyptians had warned you more than once they were about to do, because it suited your long-term purposes to let them do it, so you could have an excuse to smash civilians into the dust, with most of them children. But kudos for the 40-beheaded-babies nonsense that was exactly like the British WWI propaganda about German soldiers bayoneting babies or the Iraqis allegedly dragging babies out of incubators in Kuwait.

Netanyahu is on record speaking in the Knesset years ago saying everyone should support and fund Hamas ('like me') because they are the means to prevent a 2-state solution.

This article is written by an IDF soldier:

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/hamas-israels-own-creation/

And this is a Jewish doctor delivering a presentation on what he found in Gaza. He was banned from delivering his presentation at Mt Sinai hospital.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/health-care-in-war-zones-what-a-doctor-witnessed-in-gaza

You should be happy - the world is just standing cravenly by and letting it happen.

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Paul B. Cohen's avatar

You're willingly ignorant of the history of Islam in the Middle East and the world that has created this situation where so many are gathered against so few and idiots like you, who've benefitted greatly from the Jewish contributions to the world provided by the God of Israel, support the jihadist propagandistic narrative that you parrot here like the good stooge that you are.

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Cankerpuss's avatar

Remember, Paul B Cohen, Israel consists of 12 unique tribes, 13 if you count Ruben. Supposedly, the Jews are direct descendants of the tribe of Judah (I don't believe this but that is a different discussion for a different time). According to the covenant God made with Abraham ALL of Abraham's descendants would be a great blessing to the nations of the Earth and would be numberless. This means ALL of the House of Israel. Not just the Jews. I believe in the God of Israel but I also believe the Jews are not God's chosen people. The entire House of Israel is and the House of Israel is the white race, descendants of the lost 10 tribes taken captive by the Assyrians and dispersed to the north countries (Britannia, Germania and Scandinavia). The Jews currently inhabiting Jerusalem are not who they say they are.

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Paul B. Cohen's avatar

"For behold, days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will restore the fortunes of my people, Israel and Judah, says the LORD, and I will bring them back to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall take possession of it” (Jer 30:3).

I'm taking God's Word over yours, Cankerpuss, any day, every day, all day.

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Lugh's avatar

All of Abraham's children? Ishmael too? And how many tribes of Arabs are there? Twelve.

The Arabs resisted conversion to Christianity, saying that the Sons of Ishmael would given their own Light.

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SheilaB's avatar

Cankerpuss, you have it right, except that Israel, since Christ, means all Christ's people, not just white people (that means it includes Hebrew Christians in modern Israel too).

https://ln5.sync.com/dl/8cd2a10a0/view/default/17087941990009?sync_id=16714321560009#j6eaxvtw-p6bejis7-qpswiw7h-9wbzk3vm

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SheilaB's avatar

So you didn't read the article or listen to the presentation. BOTH BY JEWS. Carry on spouting your propaganda - not my concern.

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Paul B. Cohen's avatar

By the way, bringing forth the testimony of deranged and lying Jews doesn't make your case.

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SheilaB's avatar

"bringing forth the testimony of deranged and lying Jews"

I take it you mean the ones who said there were 40 beheaded babies.

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Paul B. Cohen's avatar

The fact that Muslims never go against their own jingoistic doctrine and practices tells you the difference in the cultures, where the Jews feel free to slander and malign their own people.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

One thing for sure: you guys have a new “cause of the day “. The hamas slugs have your undivided attention, and the perfect scenario to attack Jews. Wonder how long this crusade will last. Wonder what’s next? Summers coming. You gotta have a cause! Maybe your attention span on hamas will be your primary focus. Of course, you have several fall back positions…

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SheilaB's avatar

You really are a presumptuous cockwomble, aren't you. 'You guys'. I don't support anyone 'attacking Jews', or attacking anyone else. Or appropriating other people's land. I don't have that weird knee-jerk thing where everything that Israel does is OK because we must never criticise anything a Jewish government does. We can criticise anything anyone does, including Hamas. And especially governments. And Islamists everywhere. And the Vatican. And the Jesuits, and every secret society ever.

And it's better to look into things than to jump through hoops that you've been programmed to jump through.

Hamas are not my main concern. Dead, mutilated and burned-alive ordinary people, mostly children, are my concern. As are the long-term aims of Israel and those who fund it.

And deep-state false-flags of all kinds are also my concern. And the long-term aims of the transnational predator class, which expands into an overarching battle between good and evil. All that will keep me occupied for a while yet, never mind the summer, which we don't get much of here anyway.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Cockwomble. That is great. Thanks. I always find value in honest conversation.

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SheilaB's avatar

And note that I don't have an 'antisemitic' bone in my body. I did more than most on the previous site to argue against actual antisemites.

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Ben's avatar

As who?

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Geowhizz's avatar

And there’s Fink’s Black Rock suing United Healthcare. The issue, not denying enough claims in the aftermath of ex ceo Brian Thompsons murder.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

? What?

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John Symons's avatar

What Covid crime? Kennedy could have been part of the solution for the USA while he was an Independent. Now he is part of the problem.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Really? How so

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Roundball Shaman's avatar

“... America’s recent wars — say, starting with Vietnam — have been stupid, pointless, and fake...”.

America’s biggest war of all is it’s ongoing war of the embedded pathology and devaints withon Deep State against the best interests of the American People. That is a war no one will ever learn about in a future led by godless technocrats who rule over America with a pervasive and ruthless freedom and truth-crushing hand.

“... yet the soldiers we sent into these fiascos acted bravely and honorably for the most part.”

Which brings the question: Can honor ever be present when such “serving” is done for often falsely-advertised purposes that conceal actual bad intent and purposes of those leading these death campaigns?

“... the holiday is lately reduced to a celebration of grilled meat.”

At least there is some honesty and authenticity to this activity. Which is more than can be said about the other.

We are always advise to “Support Our Troops”? On face, perhaps a noble sentiment.

But when you hear such prompting words, you must always ask yourself: Are these really “Our” Troops? Or are they the paid help and cannon fodder for Corporations and Bankers or perhaps that Most Favored Nation Of All in the Middle East? They are Troops, yes. But They are most certainly not... ‘Ours’.

And the other words that we are being urged to offer are, “Thank You For Your Service”. Well, that all depends. What was that, “Service”? And was that for actually good and moral and ethical purposes or not? Thank you for your Service? Maybe, only maybe. And even then, within heavy ethical restraints.

“As a basic proposition, it’s doubtful that we can return to anything like a 1958 disposition of things based on rising continental-scale enterprise, as in the Big Three automakers and General Foods.”

Maybe not. But we can have some of that back – things we never should have ever gotten away from. And we can have much more of the stable and prosperous and optimistic attitude of the 1950s when we believed in the idea of America and that we had a bright future ahead of us. One cannot live a good life without having hope in something.

“The Black Lives Matter operation proved to be hustle...”.

Yes it was. But it did accomplish the climate on today’s Mass State Media – particularly television –where at most every moment we are treated to an almost endless parade of dark-skinned-toned faces and the near absence of anything White. So this was a hustle that worked. Maybe skin-tones should appear on America’s airwaves in the actual proportion of how they appear according to Census data? Or sorry, you can’t socially engineer and sideline Whites that way.

Yes, on Memorial Day we have lots of things to contemplate and memorialize. Just not mostly the things we are told to.

And yes, enjoy that grilled meat. Before they take THAT away, too.

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Mark's avatar

I think you underrate the intelligence and character of returning veterans, along with their discipline. They were not mindless cannon fodder, and are a significant element of reclaiming our country.

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Cankerpuss's avatar

And they should be put to work reclaiming our Country. Bring them all home. Get them out of Germany, Japan, Korea, Iraq, Syria, Djibouti, and all of the other nations they are occupying and put them to work here. Put them on the borders with orders to shoot and kill any who cross illegally. Put them to work repairing roads. Rebuilding bridges. Laying new water and sewer pipes. Put them to work repairing and re-building America. I don't care how intelligent they are. They have invaded sovereign foreign nations and have done so unconstitutionally. They are invaders. Usurpers of freedom. Peddlers of a democratic system that most nations look at with disdain and disgust. American Democracy breeds drugs, perversion, feminism, and all manner of deviance. They don't want it and we have no right to force it upon them.

If they are intelligent and have character, why don't more of them stand up to this nonsense. Stand up for the Constitution. Stand up against illegal invasions and forced democracy?

I do not trust a US soldier.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

You act like they are convicts off of a chain gang

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Cankerpuss's avatar

Glitterpup, it might sound like that but I don't think that. I believe the US military should be used to protect the United States. I don't think being holed up in South Korea or Germany or Kuwait, Yemen, Syria or any of the many other bases we have throughout the world serve to really protect the USA.

So bring them home. Instead of just telling them all good luck and letting them go, give them jobs rebuilding infrastructure. Give them work truly serving the USA by doing things that actually benefit the USA inside of the USA instead of sending them to die in shit hole places like Afghanistan where their ultimate sacrifice is for nothing.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Agree

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

I agree

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

You have slipped a cog. You need a nap

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Cankerpuss's avatar

Yes. I am always open to a nap.

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Pnoldguy's avatar

Yes, we await the signal do we not?

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Agent-86's avatar

I certainly hope that is so!

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Mike Ware's avatar

You cut to some unpleasant truths Rounball. I pray that more folks would wake up and smell the coffee. Christ is the only answer.

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Carl L. McWilliams's avatar

Nailed it, the Return of Jesus Christ as King of kings is the only answer:

For the Biblically literate, we, (humanity), were forewarned in Biblical prophecy these current events would come to pass centuries before we began seeing them on a daily basis. For those who still believe "man can fix this" through politics, no, we can't; because it's not a temporal battle. It's an on-going spiritual war that began long before any of us existed, coming to its climax in our time - right here on planet earth. We can only choose a "side" to support and work with in that battle.

But there is no "fence sitting" now or “do-overs” later. We must each actively choose the side of light and good, of YHVH/God; or we default to the other side of darkness and evil and Satan. Therefore, if you haven't actively chosen Jesus Christ and the soon-coming Kingdom of God...then you are in default. For each of us, today, there are no other options; I have made my choice and His name is Jesus (Yeshua); I pray each of you who read this comment will make the correct choice. Eternity is a very long time to regret a wrong choice.”

“Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and dine with that person, and they with me. To the one who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with Me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne. Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” [Revelation 3: 20-21]

FYI: There are two (2) sins Jesus Christ (Yeshua Messiah) will not forgive: (1) Denial (blasphemy) against the Holy Spirit. [Matthew 12:31] and; (2) Receiving the MARK OF THE BEAST. [Revelation 14:9]

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Alzaebo's avatar

I read the Book very differently from you.

You were pre-positioned to see every assault, every decline, as a good thing, even a blessing;

fed the false promise of a Purge by death and destruction, to see them as signs on a road leading to a triumpant return to a mythical Eden, with jeweled cities and no want, worry, nor war;

told to restrain your hand, that vengeance was not yours, only the suffering was (and that you had earned it);

to forgive the Enemy's trespasses, when only the dead can forgive;

even to celebrate every victory by the Enemy as a sure omen of his eventual defeat by the Hand of another;

I say no. The cavalry is not coming.

The cavalry is already here, placed by the Hand of the Creator for this very purpose.

WE are the calvalry. You are. We are all of us the soldiers in the battlefield; the tools in the Hand to bring justice and balance, by the hard rules of Nature's necessity.

Be fooled ye not by the Imposter's mask, nor the bleating of wolves in sheep's clothing.

Our action is His return;

to read the clues in the Book as a cosmic crusader in a flying cape is to have a child's understanding of the Design. Simple, uncluttered, and utterly powerless.

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Lugh's avatar

Well said. Fundies are children. That's the charitable understanding. Christ seemed to encourage this, always talking about being sheep when we need to become rams able to throw the wolves off cliffs.

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Alzaebo's avatar

We, and the fundies, were like children told by the stepfather who murdered our parents that he is their real father, and that he is first above all.

(The stepfather even said that the Christ, raised as one of his, was his. He was not. He was one of Ours. This the secret that must be hidden, it is why He was hated, and accused falsely.)

We did not lose our God.

He was replaced by an Imposter wearing a mask.

The good will never fight for evil; to win, Evil must change the story, so that the good, using a false history as their guideline, fervently believe they are still fighting for good.

Not for nothing is that stepfather called the Deceiver, so that good becomes evil, and evil, good. This is the satanic Inversion. We were told that our parents were monsters, by a monster who slaughtered far, far more.

The great problem with this is that the stepfather's children, believing the story wholeheartedly, can never back down from it. In their minds, it will always be Us, or Them.

A duel to the death, from their point of view, a duel they intend to win.

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Dennis Merwood's avatar

....."or we default to the other side of darkness and evil and Satan."

Religion - People killing each other trying to decide who has the best imaginary friend.

Why would anyone who is intelligent and educated get duped into believing 1st Century/Bronze Age superstition?

Myths based on ignorant men "making shit up" in order to try and understand the natural world.

Without one shred of verifiable, concrete data or experiment-based evidence of a single supernatural "God" or event?

We should stop wasting our time trying to please the supernatural and concentrate on improving the welfare of human beings.

Netanyahu invoked the Biblical reference with the Amalek rhetoric for a blatant call to genocide.

"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." 1 Samuel 15:3.

Now 100,000 + have been slaughtered. And their houses, electricity, drinking water and sewage facilities and hospitals destroyed.

Because they had the audacity to pray to a different GOD!

And NOT ONE GOD has lifted a finger to stop the genocide.

And all these supposedly omnipotent and all-powerful GODS that are being worshiped are all standing by doing NOTHING watching innocent people being killed while their worshippers claim their God has the power to save them all.

Either these Gods do not give a shit, or they do not exist.

Religion stalks across the face of human history, knee-deep in the blood of innocents, clasping its red hands in hymns of praise to approving Gods.

Repent of your preaching, Carl.

Study science for its reliability, becoming educated in the process! Reality 101

BTW, “the fact is that far more killing have been committed by zealots in the name of God, Jesus and Mohammed than has ever been committed in the name of Satan. Many people don’t like that statement, but few can argue with it.” - Carl Sagan

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messianicdruid's avatar

Dennis, what you refuse is that he just told you that Satan operates “in the name [ authority ] of God” so comparing this to what Satan ADMITS to doing in his own name, which he has convinced short-sighted trained in the the world [ system ] doesn’t even exist [ 1=0 ]. How could there be a comparison when you acknowledge neither?

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Dennis Merwood's avatar

In the book of Isaiah and the book of Ezekiel. It is said that Lucifer was a beautiful and powerful angel who rebelled against God due to his pride and ambition. He was cast out of heaven and became Satan, the adversary of God.

In the book of Genesis, he appears as a cunning serpent who tempts Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden to disobey God and eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. This disobedience results in their expulsion from the garden.

In the New Testament Gospels, Satan attempts to tempt Jesus during his 40-day fast in the wilderness. This evil offers Jesus power and wealth in exchange for his worship, but Jesus rejects him and quotes Scripture to resist the temptations.

All just the scribblings of ancient, unknown, superstitious religious cultists!

Like 90% of the Bible! Myths. LOL

If you referenced Biblical scriptures – it must be true. LMAFO.

It still amazes me that Christians think the Bible is evidence of anything!

The Bible is just a bunch of CLAIMs, with no evidence.

(.....Jesus went into the wilderness ALONE. There then follows a Biblical account of all the things that he said to Satan. Matthew 4:1-11. If he was alone who was recording this? Proving without a doubt that the gospels are pure fiction. Unfortunately, many understand them to be `gospel truth`.)

Why do Christians expect a book written by unknown authors in a variety of languages, that was translated, rewritten, edited countless times is evidence for anything? It's just a book.

Every statement of "Jesus said...." needs to start with; "my old book says that Jesus said...."

"At what point does all of this stuff just break down and become just a lot of stupid shit that someone made up! They fucking made it up folks! It's make-believe!” – George Carlin

A philosophical argument for God or Satan and a ham sandwich is worth slightly less than a ham sandwich. You can have as many philosophical arguments for “God” and "Satan" as you like, but it doesn't change the fact that there is no evidence that either ever existed, or exists to this day.

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CouchPotatriot's avatar

Stahp schoolin' these niggs - it don't take.

Wastin' my tax paya dollerz! Lol...

Keep doin' what you do for free, Dennis, mah friend. All paid knowledge is suspect. Whatever shall we do 'bout it? Trick question.

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messianicdruid's avatar

I have asked you before, "What will you except as proof", and all I ever get are "philosophical arguments".

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nyc ladino's avatar

You are on the right path. Spirituality is the key, not religion, but too many people are incapable of achieving it to any significant extent.

It's difficult to gestate and be born, as the modern world can readily abort it, crush it in the soul's womb.

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Dennis Merwood's avatar

Revelation was among the last books accepted into the Christian biblical canon, and to the present day some churches are sceptical of the book because of doubts concerning its authorship. Other groups consider it to be heretical.

The obscure and extravagant imagery, with many Old Testament allusions and numeric symbolism, has resulted in a wide variety of interpretations.

It's such a mess; anybody can read anything into it they want.

And charlatans like Pastor John Hagee make a lot of money by preaching their crazy end-times interpretation to the gullible and unfortunate.

Carl Jung, influential in the fields of psychiatry, anthropology, archaeology, literature, philosophy, psychology and religious studies, in his autobiography "Memories Dream Reflections" said: "I will not discuss the transparent prophecies of the Book of Revelation because no one believes in them and the whole subject is felt to be an embarrassing one."

Science flies you to the moon.

Religion flies you into buildings.

Science gets you stoned.

Islam gets you stoned.

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Paul B. Cohen's avatar

How can one who doesn't know God presume to interpret and tell us what His Word says or what He means and intends by it? Dennis, you are a presumptuous fool.

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Dennis Merwood's avatar

"Do your own research!" - the battle cry of the ignorant, the official and automatic reply whenever caught out, from the religious.

It's maddening that they think reading scripture is research, which is just conditioning themselves to more falsehoods.

I'm 77-years-old. Raised in a Christian family.

Read the Bible every day and prayed to "God" every morning and night.

Went to Church every Sunday. Taught kids Sunday School.

Attended many adult Bible Classes. Went to Bible camps.

Betcha I know the New Testament better than 90% of Christians.

At 56-years-old, "God" had never revealed himself to me. Not once.

I finally figured out that I had been brainwashed as a young child.

And it was all bovine excrement!

Either God did not give a shit, or he did not exist.

I threw of the chains and shackles of religion and learned to think for myself. And have been a happy atheist ever since.

The best thing I ever did. I changed my life for the better.

Nothing angers Christians more than quoting their Bible to them to prove their held ideas are contrary to their own word.

It's so telling when these people get so violent and insult you when their idiotic superstitions are challenged. The hatred in these people's hearts is just immense.

Ignorance begets arrogance. Arrogance begets ignorance. The unbreakable loop of being Christian.

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Paul B. Cohen's avatar

Who said anything about you doing your own research? I didn't. You're full of yourself and knowledge from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. I would no more tell you to do research than hand a blind man a magazine to read. You need a long fast from doing your own research, grazing grass like Nebuchadnezzar.

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CouchPotatriot's avatar

Right back atcha, baby.

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Paul B. Cohen's avatar

Tripping on your tongue, CP, a real slouch on the couch.

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Paul B. Cohen's avatar

"But there is no 'fence sitting' now...." Interestingly enough, the issue of Israel is the determining factor whether one serves anti-Christ or the Christ. God, Jesus Christ, has brought Israel back into statehood for His salvational holy purpose. Those who support "Palestine from the river to the sea" in His Name or any other including "Allah" or supposed godly morality, are anti-Christ.

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Carl L. McWilliams's avatar

Hello my brother in Christ Jesus, Paul B, Cohen. Actually Paul I am in complete agreement with your statement: "Interestingly enough, the issue of Israel is the determining factor whether one serves anti-Christ or the Christ. God, Jesus Christ, has brought Israel back into statehood for His salvational holy purpose. Those who support "Palestine from the river to the sea" in His Name or any other including "Allah" or supposed godly morality, are anti-Christ."

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SheilaB's avatar

Mr Cohen has said he would support the IDF in murdering every last man, woman and child in Gaza. That presumably includes the Palestinian Christians, people who have lived there and remained faithful for 2000 years. The IDF does not differentiate, with its bombs and snipers.

And turning to Israel itself, it appears that if you are a Jew living elsewhere, your right to live in Israel and become an Israeli citizen isn't affected by you having been a Nazi or a mass murderer of whatever flavour, (or, interestingly, if you have converted to Buddhism), but you lose that right to citizenship if you have converted to Christianity. This is the man-made State you are idolising (note that I do not wish harm to any Israeli citizen, but I do wish they'd stop murdering innocent Gazans and Palestinians in the West Bank).

https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/alex-thomson-and-ben-rubin-discuss-christianity-and-judaism

48 mins in through to just after 50 mins. Alex Thomson is a distinguished linguist and is extremely erudite in all things biblical. He is engaged in a new biblical translation from the Hebrew as we speak. It's worth listening to the whole thing - Mr Cohen chooses not to listen.

I also found this essay useful:

https://christoverall.com/article/longform/a-biblical-and-theological-perspective-of-national-israel/

Dispensationalism seems, these days, to be more of an American thing.

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Carl L. McWilliams's avatar

Hello Sheila, thank you for your thoughtful comment. I cannot speak for Paul B, Cohen other than my comment above.

That said, please do not consider me to be rude, but "dispensationalism" seems, these days, to be more of a "replacement theology" thing from the Dallas Theological Seminary: https://www.dts.edu/. Its a Scofield theory that dates back to early in the last Century. The only tenet I agree with fundamentally from Scofield; is this is a period of time during which fallen and redeemed man is tested in respect of obedience to some specific revelation of the will of the Living God. Denying the Mark of the Beast is an example of testing a modern day believer's obedience to Jesus Christ.

In closing, it was in 2007 when I changed from Sunday worship to the Seventh Day as our Sabbath. My wife Karen and I had learned from studying verses such as James 1:1 & Genesis 48: 5, that the "Lost Tribes of Israel" are most likely the Body of Christ scattered mostly in the English speaking nations. Presently I am much more concerned in preparing for the soon-coming 42 months of the Great Tribulation than perusing Brent Parker's theories on the structure of end time prophesies in the Bible.

Be strong and very courageous Sheila and do not fear or be dismayed. For the Lord your God is with you, wherever you go.

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Dennis Merwood's avatar

Americans are raised to believe that all good people must believe in a higher power. Americans are raised to think positively, which for some means an afterlife. Americans are raised to believe that being Christian is part of being patriotic... God slogans on monuments, currency, inserted into the pledge of allegiance.

The average Christian is bewildered and a little bit shocked when they hear of an atheist.. it blows their brainwashed minds. "Look at the trees! The Bible says so and so." For many Christians, the Bible is reality, wisdom, history, inspired...not propaganda for just another political social ideology.

What it actually is, is marketing and propaganda for Christianity, and in Paul's epistles, and in the Gospels, the writers are clearly already addressing and responding to known criticism from other religions, including Judaism, and general skepticism that Jesus was divine, resurrected, or the prophesied "Messiah".

The writers are doing their level best, quote mining the Old Testament and putting prophesies into Jesus mouth, to argue and persuade readers that even though it sounds fantastical, it was all possible and true, and prophesied, thanks to a higher power, which turned out to be their triune gods (present Christians say), even though at the time of writing that theological doctrine had not yet been proposed.

They also are already providing apologetics, and advising faith over reason, and teaching not to rely on your own understanding, because that would be evil. It is all gaslighting i.e. Romans 1:20... "we aren't crazy for believing in the supernatural higher power, you are crazy for not believing, or denying it" (their version of it, in particular, lol). Only a fool says, yadi, yadi, yadi.

If it walks and quacks like any other man-made religion purporting its exclusivity and authenticity, while marketing itself to gullible wishful thinkers, it probably is one. Early Christianity was competing for superstitious minds, against all the other flavors of religion, new and old, that had ever been conceived and imagined.

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Carl L. McWilliams's avatar

Dennis Merwood: My name is Carl L. McWilliams. I am 77 years old and in 1981 when I was 33, I received a personal Revelation of the Deity of Jesus Christ as the Son of the Living God. I was stunned to learn God had become Flesh and in the Spring of 1981 I asked Jesus to be my Lord and Savior. I started then reading/studying the Bible and I am now on my 4th Bible as the first three wore out their pages and bindings because of overuse.

That said, based upon your comments herein I can state unequivocally and without ambiguity; your name Dennis Merwood is not written in the Lamb's Book of life from the foundation of the world.

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CouchPotatriot's avatar

Shut the front door, Carl - a.k.a. Karen.

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SheilaB's avatar

In fairness, no-one knows that. CS Lewis, in 'Surprised by Joy', described himself as 'the most reluctant convert in all England'. God may yet have plans for an even more reluctant convert. 😉

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Paul B. Cohen's avatar

God is the Savior of all men. All will bow and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord when all is said and done, none withstanding. He is the Ultimate and Complete Victor.

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Cankerpuss's avatar

God's purpose is to bring to past the immortality and eternal life of man. Period. How he does it? Mystery. But be rest assured, he will do it.

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Carl L. McWilliams's avatar

As you know, the verse "He who denies me before men" is found in Matthew 10: 33 and is interpreted as a warning about denying Jesus in front of others.

According to various translations, this can mean denying Jesus with one's attitudes or words. The New King James Version (NKJV) states, "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven,"

Additionally, the phrase "you will know them by their fruit" appears in Matthew 7:16 and is used by Jesus to teach about discerning true followers from false prophets. Jesus emphasizes that just as good trees produce good fruit and corrupt trees produce evil fruit, people's actions and behaviors reveal their true nature. The metaphor of fruit is used to illustrate that one can identify the authenticity of a person's faith and character by observing their actions and outcomes. The concept is further elaborated in Luke 6, where Jesus reiterates that a tree is known by its fruit.

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Donna Wilson's avatar

Get off on condemning others, don't you? Who died and made you the piece of rough trade hateful condemning God?

You'd blend right in with Torquemada's posse.

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Carl L. McWilliams's avatar

What I have written, I have written.

By the way Donna Wilson, is your name written in the Lamb's Book of Life? Time is short Donna Wilson. The Age of the Gentiles is coming to a conclusion in our lifetime. The King of kings is coming soon and all heads will bow and all knees will bend upon His Return.

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Dennis Merwood's avatar

Personal experience; personal Revelation of the Deity of Jesus Christ as the Son of the Living God; is not a valid reason to believe anything. If it were, we would have no way of determining whose experience reflects reality. Believers cannot rationally reason that personal experiences are the pathway to truth because they don’t accept other people’s experiences as proof of the claims they make with whom they disagree.

That you asked Jesus to be my Lord and Savior is also meaningless. It's only in your head. You cannot prove that you spoke to Jesus.

Reading the Bible, no matter how many times, does not make it true, Carl.

"the Lamb's Book of life from the foundation of the world......ppppffft! Total male bovine excrement.

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves – that we've been so incredulous. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” - Carl Sagan

The great poet, Shelley, saw it so clearly when he said: “He has awakened from the dream of life. ‘Tis we who, lost in stormy visions, keep with phantoms an unprofitable strife.”

That’s what theists are doing, fighting self-created phantoms.

As far as religious scripture goes, no-one would believe these fantastical stories if they hadn't been born into a world full of people who already believed the same thing. If a Jew, Christian or Muslim woke up tomorrow and found himself in a world where there were no other believers, how soon would it be before they became too embarrassed to admit to believing in such things as flying horses and talking snakes? They'd rightly be thought insane.

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Carl L. McWilliams's avatar

Obviously you and Carl Sagan are numbered with the "tares".

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CouchPotatriot's avatar

Jesus' mouth...just sayin. *snort.

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messianicdruid's avatar

You do not realize you are describing churchianity and calling it Christianity. You know that Satan makes himself appear as an angel of light, and yet you want to compare his works with the world of the Creator God, as if we are unable to differentiate between them. You may be unable to tell the difference between good and evil, I am not. And, of course, you will say most Christians are not able to tell the difference either, but if I tell you I agree with that, you will accuse me of lieing.

Do you really think this is ALL the fault of ignorance? No, this is active coersion, on an extreme level, with accomplices - overt and covert [ with knowledge and without ]. There's your fookin evidence.

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Dennis Merwood's avatar

We're blessed with tape worms, plague, cancer, leprosy, dengue fever, malaria, poisonous snakes and mosquitoes that spread diseases. The brain-eating amoeba is a special gift from a creator if you believe in a Creator God.

Earthquakes, tsunami's floods, and volcanoes that kill 1,000's are also a special gift from a creator if you believe in a Creator.

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messianicdruid's avatar

“If your God is all loving, why are there so many people on this earth that are starving to death?

Howz that for being so selfish?”

As I tried to explain to you before, monotheisation has convinced most that there is only one with authority [ sovereignty ].

But there are many elohim at war and the casualties are listed by infidels to lay blame on the actual Creator, who for his own reasons is allowing this little dust-up to occur.

I’m guessing to make a point. He is not avoiding responsibility, but since it is happening, he will find a way [ or ways ] for each of us to benefit from this.

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Dennis Merwood's avatar

So revealing to see how people converted to Christianity because they prayed for help to stop sinning; stop using drugs, etc.; and God responded and saved them.

But God failed to respond to the 10,000+ mothers per year around the World who prayed for their children dying of starvation. And their child dies a horrible death in their arms.

What kind of cruel God would do that?

If your God is all loving, why are there so many people on this earth that are starving to death?

Howz that for being so selfish?

Carl, you give me the impression that you have never read a counter argument to any of your positions. You need folks to just accept that your assumptions are true without evidence.

If they won't, then they are not open-minded. Give us a frickin break!

Keep it in your head, and save it for your Church, my man.

Stop spamming the tread with this nonsense!

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Blackbird's avatar

Nice essay on the essay - enough material for my own essay!

"Can honor ever be present when such “serving” is done for often falsely-advertised purposes that conceal actual bad intent and purposes of those leading these death campaigns?" Yes, a good individual can be in a bad situation and act honorably - happens far too often these days.

“Support Our Troops”. Cheap virtue signaling from the side that pretends not to signal their virtues. “Support Our Troops”? What? You're laying down cover fire for a team of Navy SEALs pinned down in Afghanistan? - from way out in Mansfield, Ohio? You're sending cookies? You're praying for them? God has time to swat bullets away for Trump, protecting all the troops we send into harm's way must keep Him as busy as a one-legged God at an ass-kicking contest. No wonder His attention seems not to be in evidence elsewhere...

“Thank You For Your Service”. Even cringier than "I Support Our Troops!" In this case you are not singing your virtue for all to hear, you're laying a big ol' slobbery smooch on some poor dumb bastard who just happens to be in a uniform - just got off work from emptying wastebaskets at Fort Meade. "Service"? Destroying other countries so that the people of those benighted hellholes come over here? So yes, thank you for developing PTSD while destroying other countries and killing innocent people.

1958? It ain't comin' back.

Burn, Loot 'n' Murder? It's been lounging in it's crib with a 40 'n' a blunt gettin a tongue bath from Uncle Sam and his media hounds for the past 4 years. Let's not think that the point we are standing on is a vector leading to a similar state in the future. We are being whipsawed. Expect the leftist backlash to be even more severe next time around. "Mostly peaceful unaliving..." Sure as the Sun comes up, some worthless piece of ghetto trash is gonna OD while resisting police and 5 years of carefully nurtured Trump-hate will erupt.

Grilled meat. It's an American tradition. Burn it, throw it in a hole, put a flag on it, and say, "Thank you". We do most of our grilling in the middle east these days, but the rest of you better not forget: the world is our barbecue.

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Lugh's avatar

The traveling Red, White, and Blue death machine, currently involved in both the Ukraine and Gaza barbecues.

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Blackbird's avatar

We're an empire Jars. It's what empires do.

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messianicdruid's avatar

I am a bottle in the smoke.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Are all of you guys on this post at the same drunk party? Drinking out of the same bottle of Everclear? Seems you dudes have lost your collective minds. Shit…

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L AQ's avatar

Those of us who are cradle, Americans have no voice. All we are are debt slaves. And these families of lineage, and their minions, and their fake politicians use us. In fact, elite universities are trying to figure out how to take our movement as humans and use it for energy. They see us as disposable. This is an antihuman agenda

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Cankerpuss's avatar

Spreading America's version of Democracy throughout the world to people that do not want it. That's what our military is all about.

You, the kind of democracy that has brought us transgenderism, mutilation of children, homosexuality, feminism, drag queen story hour, the neutered American male, massive drug use, pornography empires, massive and unsustainable debt, and other forms of depravity and filth.

Is it any wonder other nations refer to the USA as the "great Satan?"

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CouchPotatriot's avatar

I got your full browser history, Stanky Puss. Keep yakin'.

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Cankerpuss's avatar

Thanks, I will do that.

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CouchPotatriot's avatar

Of course you will, duh.

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Agent-86's avatar

That was all very well said.

"Supporting our troops" is tacit indirect support for the deceptive war they were deceived into. It would be better to say "Pity for our troops." For they know not what they do.

The same for "Thank you for your Service." Service to or for who?

That's why they changed the name of the DoD from the original name, 'The War Dept."

It should be changed again to the Dept. of Offense, since that is much more accurate.

The only thing it defends is the Cabal in control of it. Yet another deception.

The same for that police slogan, "To Serve and Protect". They only serve and protect their paymasters who they work for and who control them. Not the citizenry!

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Lugh's avatar

Whites are only sixty percent of the population now - and an elderly one at that. What they attempted has worked: A slow-mo genocide.

You think we can all get along, right? Well the Founders didn't see it that way at all. If you were me, would you believe them or you?

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Lugh's avatar
May 26Edited

For Roundball. Brother AI works hard to derail conversation it doesn't agree with by moving posts.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Silly me. I thought it was all about mattress sales…

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Cankerpuss's avatar

"Support Our Troops" A catch phrase that has no meaning anymore to me. Support them for what? How do they protect me and my family? I don't recall ever being threatened or abused by people from Afghanistan. I don't recall ever having issues with Houthi rebels. I don't recall ever being treated poorly by some slob from Iraq, Syria or Iran.

So my question is, what the hell are our troops actually doing that is worthy of our "support?" They have invaded sovereign nations and have attempted to force a system of "democracy" that they do not want. Who would. American Democracy breeds drug addictions, transgenders, homosexuals, pornography, feminism, and a myriad of other society killing perversions and deviance.

So again, I ask, why the hell should I support the troops? Why are they heroes? Are they heroes because they invade a foreign nation and terrorize its inhabitants? Are they heroes because they get their legs blown off fighting a useless war that does nothing to help the American people? Are they heroes because they get killed fighting in a war designed to make Raytheon even more wealthy?

It's a waste. All of it. I will not harass or otherwise persecute men and women in our military but I don't view them as heroes. I view them as aggressors. I view them as invaders. I view them as corporate bullies whose only purpose is to make certain corporations and politicians extremely wealthy by continuing to wage wars in shit hole countries that pose absolutely no threat to the USA.

I wish there were more who would question this instead of just repeating the worn out mantra "thank you for your service." Instead they should ask "and just what exactly were you doing over there in Yemen anyway?"

I ramble. Sorry.

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CouchPotatriot's avatar

Your casual dismissal of so called slobs you can't rememba and neva eva thot about to begin with is comin' fer ya, - "I don't recall ever being treated poorly by some slob from Iraq, Syria or Iran." - Is a direct indication of your own slobbishness. Buckle up, buttercup - feigned superiority karma is comin' fer ya, Stanky Pussy.

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Cankerpuss's avatar

You're an idiot and your comment is shows just how big of an idiot you are.

Fuck you!

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CouchPotatriot's avatar

Gotya, bissh.

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Paul B. Cohen's avatar

"Are these really 'Our' Troops? Or are they the paid help and cannon fodder for Corporations and Bankers or perhaps that Most Favored Nation Of All in the Middle East? They are Troops, yes. But They are most certainly not... ‘Ours’."

Lying so blatantly and confidently against readily known and ascertained facts is the mark of a shaman alright, one serving the powers of darkness.

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Casey Jones's avatar

" Its insanity has become so exorbitant that no one of healthy sensibility can bear to be associated with it. Those who remain involved in Democratic Party politics are largely those liable to prosecution for manifold crimes"

But sir! What of the near 50% of voters who still pull the D-lever? I admire your optimism, but.

Cordially yours,

A. Pouter

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RevMikeyMac's avatar

Many, many many of those votes were fraudulent...how many times must the truth be repeated? This is the MAD party's/movement's greatest lie - that any significant number of Americans agrees with their suicidal insanity.

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Casey Jones's avatar

Until said votes stop winning elections. They're real until that is corrected. Sorry.

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JohnAZ's avatar

Not exactly.

This country is in a struggle between the Haves and Have nots. The policies that JHK keeps talking about, progressed by the Liberal central government, continues to increase the income inequality of the country. The government, being controlled for decades by Leftist Deep State philosophy, encourages the creation of financial action, encourages the working disenfranchisement of the working folks by shipping their jobs overseas, encourages the economic disorder caused by unions, and by these means, encourages more and more dependence by the people on the Deep State.

Until jobs return in significant quantity and the idea of a service economy is destroyed, nothing is going to change. That is the difference between MAGA and MAD. MAD is comprised of Lifers, old farts that lead the liberal destruction of the country and its people. MAGA is younger and more aggressive now and will drive to stop the Deep State in its drive for self-preservation. 2026 is key.

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Lugh's avatar

Well once you are at the top, you are naturally at war against those that could supplant you, namely the middle and especially upper middle class. And your allies are the very poor, natch. This is the "Vise" described in John Birch Society literature. Capitalism and Communism are one system. Can you grok this at all? You description of the Elite as Leftists leads me to think that you haven't even begun to understand.

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Vegan Shark's avatar

"Until jobs return in significant quantity and the idea of a service economy is destroyed, nothing is going to change."

Right. The so-called service economy is an economic perversion. Young people and even many in their supposed prime earning years have been herded into pens where they try to find fulfillment as waiters, call center bots and low-wage bank tellers. As the old quip has it, they survive by taking in each other's laundry.

Not many people want to bring back dark satanic mills to our landscape. Fortunately, most manufacturing isn't like that anymore. It's cleaner, more environmentally friendly; from the outside modern factories resemble Walmart buildings.

A big problem is, what goes in inside is now automated to the last degree. There's no need for a huge workforce of lunchbox proles, and even in the few industries that require a substantial complement of employees, those jobs can be won only against huge competition including non-US migrants willing to forgo the good life of EBT cards and Medicaid. Workers can be had cheaply by management.

Considerations like those must be dealt with if we're going to quit relying on McJobs in the service economy.

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CouchPotatriot's avatar

Yummy yummy, stoopid 70-year old aged beef for my tummy. Keep clackin away' on da keeyboard, Johnny AZ.

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Casey Jones's avatar

Had to think that one a bit. Agree with everything but that first sentence. It's a disconnect between real wealth and that which produces it.

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Blackbird's avatar

Exactly. Fake votes win real elections.

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Stanley Yelnats's avatar

You must not live in the suburbs. Every suburban woman I know is a raging lunatic liberal. She sent her kids to woke colleges so now they’re raging lunatic liberals. Even the churches are woke. You need to get out more. The crazy is everywhere.

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Pnoldguy's avatar

Au contraire! How many teachers and professors are there in this country? Most of them pull the D lever every election. How many bureaucrats not only in DC, but spread across America in Counties, State and Federal offices? Add in the Unions feeding cash to the leviathan and you have a substantial number of midwits pulling the D lever.

Unfortunately you can’t overcome stupid.

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John Schrauth's avatar

We have been programmed to believe this 50/50 nation BS. I believe it is more like 65/35. The voter rolls in the big blue cities and several states are likely as fraudulent as anyone could imagine. Recall how every claim of election fraud was viciously attacked and excoriated by the MSM and the Blob. Judges used the lame "You have no standing" to make any court filing and refused to hear dozens or hundreds of suits alleging fraud. The talking heads and officials attacked the claimants yet refused to call for or allow any inspection of voting machine data. You can't check the program to see if it's accurate because it's proprietary! Oooh, "secret sauce!" When ordered to illegally erase her county voting records by the criminal Colorado Secretary of State, one county recorder, Tina Peters made a copy of her county's 2020 results and is now in prison for that simple act. YOU can't contest anything in these places and THEY will not show you the figures or data or allow examination of their sacred machines which the Biden administration spent four years attempting to shove down the throats of any country not heading down the socialist road, such as Hungary among others, even making threats if they did not. Let's run the DOGE algorithms on the voter rolls in California and Illinois for starters and see what happens. Watch how hard they fight to stop it.

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JohnAZ's avatar

You are right. The judges, Deep State all as their jobs depend on the central government, shut down all attempts of investigation of any voting results in 2020. They destroyed as many MAGA investigators as they could. The participants of Jan.6 knew what had happened and were protesting the miscarriage of justice that election was. The obvious RINO coercion in the Congress led by Trump’s worst enemy, Pence, infuriated the folks gathered in protest. The obvious coercion by the dominant forces in the Congress in their attempt to stop MAGA with the phony election inflamed the day.

The real deal % wise is probably more like 35-35-30, D-R-I. Independents elect the president and others. Like corks on the sea, they have no devotion to a philosophy, they do not care. All the money spent in elections, a travesty in itself, is aimed at that 30%. Most are negative against both sides, sitting comfortably on their fences. They do not care about the nature of the government, allowing the autocracy to increase. They vote on appearances, not issues. America is becoming a country with no credo, no values and the consequent immorality that occurs with the absence of a common culture.

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Alzaebo's avatar

You betcha, Johnny. It took Pinochet (mi General!) 8 years to clear the courts of communists, and then he was able to retire.

Bukele, however, only took two years or less. In El Salvador, they were simply impeached or ignored (until they got impeached) and thrown out as the secret corrupted cabal they they were.

John Roberts and the Leftist Supremes, you hearing me?

We know now you have your own little club (or should I say revolutionary cell.)

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Ben's avatar
May 27Edited

It really does always seem to come back to the turd in the punchbowl.

Communists.

There really is only one way to get rid of them as they never give up and they destroy everything they touch.

They are attacking everything at once all over the world the next war is going to be as much propaganda as anything else and the dirty commies seem to be winning that war.

Don't believe me then look at this very board half the anti-american types are all dirty communists and the louder the squeal about it the more true it is.

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William Foster's avatar

Excellent reply!

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John Schrauth's avatar

Good point on 35-35-30. I was just thinking how many (65) against the Democrats if votes were honestly tabulated.

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Alzaebo's avatar

Judas priest. Nailed it through and through, J Schrauth.

"Tina Peters made a copy of her county's 2020 results and is now in prison for that simple act."

BY FEDERAL LAW you are supposed to keep copies of the voter results! And just how many districts "lost" or wiped them, illegally?

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DougMich's avatar

Not really 50%. Read Elizabeth Nickson’s recent Substack.

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Cankerpuss's avatar

My in-laws, good and decent people, are still dyed in the wool Democrats. Oddly enough, my father in-law, carries a gun everywhere and is completely anti-abortion, but, he votes straight Democrat every election.

These people are so stubborn they will never change their ways.

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Opie the Mick's avatar

I am skeptical as well. The DOGE thing has ended on a whimper, government spending is going up. I wonder if Trumps plan is to crash the system as it's too far gone to save. It's the only thing that makes sense to me.

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Dena's avatar

Doge continues. Doge.gov for updates. Now Congress needs to do their part.

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Magdalene's avatar

Thank you for the link. If I have to see one more supposed MAGA supporter accusing DOGE of being an op to obtain data that the has NSA already been collecting for decades I just might lose my lunch over the sheer stupidity.

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William Foster's avatar

Hahaha, I know! Our data is not safe from anyone with the desire to get it.

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Dena's avatar

It seems many of the Doge critical voices from MAGA are recovering dems. They still seem to believe much of what msm is saying on certain subjects.

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Magdalene's avatar

Makes sense

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Lugh's avatar

Pride may have been cancelled. Sponsors are pulling out since there will be no reimbursement. A very good and great thing.

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Blackbird's avatar

They will be back - with extra flamboyance!

Meanwhile, I get "Jumeteemf" off wif pay. Nobody better be DOGE'ing that just yet...

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Debbie Wagner's avatar

Just went to DOGE.gov for the first time. Fascinating and impressive to say the least. Looks like they find new scams/waste/corruption/fraud every single day. Thanks for the link.

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Dena's avatar

I think msm media is hoping we’ll not know what’s happening there.

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JohnAZ's avatar

Too late, too much debt.

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Miryamnae's avatar

Yes, DOGE is still digging…grave digging is hard work.

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Blackbird's avatar

"Now Congress needs to do their part."

Unfortunately, they most certainly will...

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Pnoldguy's avatar

Yes, and not in a good way.

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P. Robert Thorson's avatar

In my opinion, Trump was "selected" to be at the helm as the Republic crashed, as shadowy figures behind the scenes have been calling the shots in how things run for decades now. The Deep State is not being disassembled so much as having a tune up, reorganizing into controlling things in the next stage.

The middle class is shrinking, and in a decade or two may not exist. There will be the oligarchs, and the rest of us, and standing in line will replace surfing on smart phones as the daily past time.

There's lots of different ways this goes down, but I suspect advancing reforms MAGA style or re-implementing the rule of law will disintegrate quickly into a change of plans - most likely leading to a major war. That's always a great distraction.

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JohnAZ's avatar

Major wars are obsolete, Ukraine and Gaza are both showing this. Russia should be pounding Ukraine into the ground. Technology prevents that. Houthi’s are making the USA look stupid in the Red Sea, 2 million dollar missiles shooting down thousand dollar drones.

JHK says that the future will depend on the economics of contraction. IMO, not only that, it will depend on the inability of war to solve human issues. Interesting times coming.

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Perhaps Russia doesn't want to pound Ukraine into the ground. Not everyone chooses to behave like Israel.

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You nailed it Sheila,

What Putin said was Russia sought the "demilitarization and denazification" of Ukraine, and Russia had no plans to occupy Ukrainian land, and threatened severe consequences for any country that intervened.

He announced that Russia was launching a "Special Military Operation " to defend the Russian-controlled territories in eastern Ukraine, the Donetsk Peoples Republic and Luhansk Peoples Republic Under Article 51 of The United Nations Charter.

He would have achieved that in a couple of months, if the Yanks had of just minded their own business.

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grand funk's avatar

Middle class has always been mostly White. more genocide wrapped in dollars.

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JohnAZ's avatar

A positive spin, I hope you are right. The elimination of the corruption of the country is at stake.

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GabeReal's avatar

I hope you’re right, but I have my doubts…

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JohnAZ's avatar

Blame it on Trump!!!!

No, like all financial disasters, spending increases feed on themselves. When the service on the debt increases year to year, discretionary spending disappears. In a micro economic setting, families, this scenario presented when you are borrowing to pay interest. The road to bankruptcy is sure and soon. The country is way beyond this point. Trump will do what he can to corral the corruption that occurs when bankruptcy looms nationally. It will not be enough.

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Tom Luongo & Caitlin Long discuss the nuts & bolts of how control over the dollar has been wrested from City of London as well as the multiple strategies in play to avert financial crisis for America while also bringing the dollar, which still enjoys the highest demand globally, directly to new markets in previously unbankable parts of the world.

Gold, Goats n Guns Podcast

https://podverse.fm/episode/5n5ruF378

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Alzaebo's avatar

Wow, thanks Magdelene.

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Magdalene's avatar

Tom Luongo has been on absolute fire with his podcast lately. The Caitlin Long interview is an excellent source for the layman to understand the actual WWIII in which we are embroiled without most people even knowing.

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SheilaB's avatar

" I wonder if Trumps plan is to crash the system as it's too far gone to save."

That's a decision that was made many levels above Trump. The currency of the coming global technate will be energy and data. Everything will be rationed using digital ID, CBDCs and social credit (no rationing for the Owners, obviously). So, they will definitely crash the system when they're ready with the infrastructure for the new one. Trump has his part to play. They're all actors. All the world's a stage.

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Alzaebo's avatar

Well, if he crashes the EU system, I'm all for it.

The EU must die so that Europe may live.

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SheilaB's avatar

The EU was/is practice for the one-world technate.

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William Foster's avatar

The currency of the coming global technate will be your compliance.

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SheilaB's avatar

Yours, if you so choose, not mine. Although I did mention data, which is linked to compliance. You comply with your data, whether it's the facial recognition camera at the airport (or the supermarket) or the vaxx pass that will be incorporated into your digital ID. The only way to remain free is to refuse digital ID, although that may shorten your life. I'll take the shorter life, personally. Slavery is not life.

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Of course supermarkets have cameras and monitors, but I don't know of any with facial recognition. I can recognize my wife's face from any angle but the FR on her iPhone can't, sometimes it can't recognize her even in portrait projection. Obviously they're building the monitoring system, FR capabilities will catch up eventually. I always refuse the FR at airport security but I'm sure I'm on camera from the exit to the airport until I get off the destination airport property.

It's amazing what you can do with two senators, a few envelopes and a few grams of anthrax.

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SheilaB's avatar

Indeed! (re anthrax envelopes)

We have FR cameras here in some supermarkets, not that I've used them. They're on the self-service checkouts, which I don't use (I use cash everywhere and I don't care how long the queue is). The UK is well ahead of the game with surveillance cameras generally. They sell it all as 'crime prevention'. I see people on threads on MSN saying they think it's great in supermarkets because of shoplifting. 😏

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Mike Ware's avatar

JHK, I wish I shared your optimism but I see nothing being shut down or permanently deleted. Rogue judges continue their treason against the duly elected president and hardly a person has been charged, much less convicted. I’m praying for our country and I realize that it’s only been a few months but all I’m seeing is the steam being dissipated and the Deep Stater’s still firmly ensconced. It’s certainly been an entertaining and exhilarating experience, but so far, that’s all it’s been. I don’t see any great moral revival amongst the people, and that’s what it’s going to take. The battle over our culture and Western Civilization has to be WON, and it’s not going to happen without turning to Christ Himself. Lord help us and have mercy on us.

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Mun’s Frolick's avatar

Trump cannot change the prevailing zeitgeist of madness, the descent of man. Voting is easy, true change (evolution, growth) is difficult, and rarely successful. Fact is, there are too many dogs allowing others to wag their tails. They are the “other” one must fear.

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JohnAZ's avatar

The “Gimme” mentality, the attitude of people that they are owed a life by someone, somewhere has to be suppressed. How? By a leader that cuts off nonsensical sustenance of the Mob, and forces the ideal that you work for your living. That change will be incredibly painful. A side benefit, our unwanted illegals, with no government sustenance will go home.

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Lugh's avatar

Cut off the gimmies in Israel too. And the big Corporations.

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Ben's avatar

Israel is our proxy fighter against Iran that is not going to happen anytime soon.

Of course you can't see that with your huge Jew hatreds.

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Dennis Merwood's avatar

You think Christ, The Lord, is going to have mercy on a country supplying bombs to drop on refugee camps, hospitals, and poor unarmed peasants in countries that have never attacked the US, eh Mike?

You are right, the battle over our culture and Western Civilization has to be won by stopping the US and Isreal insisting they are praying to the ONLY TRUE GOD?

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William Foster's avatar

I agree totally.

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JustPlainBill's avatar

💯

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Thomas's avatar

"In the end, they're not coming after me. They're coming after you — and I'm just standing in their way," - Donald J. Trump

These words resonated when I first heard them uttered by the President. It distilled the Left's rhetoric down to its very essence. At first glance it is almost impossible to grasp that a so-called political party could be at war with the citizenry it claims to represent. Over the course of time one can begin to see the pattern of ruinous "policy", the emergence of a two-tier justice system, weaponization of government agencies (to an extent that would make Uncle Joe Stalin blush), schools and universities morphed into reeducation camps, etc. etc. etc. and then begin to appreciate that an active, multi-front war is being waged in earnest against the foundations and fabric of our Republic.

Trump's words pointed a spotlight upon the Left's war on America, a stinging revelation that this is a matter of existential proportions - ultimately, a matter of life or death not only for the Republic but for ourselves. Should the Left ever obtain the sort of absolute power they are seeking, is there anyone naive enough to believe that their opponents will be left alone to die of old age?

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J. Fast's avatar

Excellent point! The MAD party opened our doors to Third-World parasites with no concept of Western principles of moral restraint and virtue—they are of a primitive mind set (hence the gangs, street fighting, highway car rodeos). As Jefferson insisted, only an educated populace can maintain the level of citizenship our republic requires. The Democrats—in case you haven’t noticed—are for the most part illiterates.

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Thomas's avatar

Illiterate and mentally unstable

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J. Fast's avatar

Good point! I, too, have noticed that. Is it the left’s widespread use of antidepressants snd their belief in the medical establishment and any establishment that proports to care about them?

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Thomas's avatar

In another time those who purported to believe what the Left insists is both true and good would be placed in a hospital for a long term psychiatric observation. The death of the unborn is referred to as ‘healthcare’, as a right, and is celebrated. The obliteration of genders, fascination with mutilating children, penalizing civic pride and equating patriotism with being nefarious are all the signs of reason and logic being abandoned altogether.

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They seem to have a crazy need to signal virtue. One of my liberal acquaintances will slide into a seeming trance state (when I point out an annoying piece of reality) and basically chant, mantra-style, “we are all one.” I don’t have time for her!

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“Should the Left ever obtain the sort of absolute power they are seeking,…” If anybody gets that kinda power - they are on the same tag team! Didn’t anyone ever watch the old wrestling shows?

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Stacey Abrams should have been immediately arrested for the $2 billion she stole. There are many others but her name and the amount came to mind first. Start with her.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

In America being a black woman is the perfect bubble to wrap yourself within in order to avoid the consequences of her evil, greedy actions. You see it's her due, it's reparations for something she never experienced but uses as a cudgel to extort from her betters a life she didn't earn, and would never accomplish on her own without corruption and crime and a huge helping hand up she never is grateful for.

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Blackbird's avatar

Dat rite. Stacey be takin' her own repparations.

She will be President before she is an inmate.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

She will not be the first black female racist in the white house.

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Blackbird's avatar

Are you saying that the Obama "daughters" were rayciss?

Or are you honoring Big Mike's chosen pronouns?

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Alzaebo's avatar

Kamala, Kamala, where are you now?

She was just down the hall, before.

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grand funk's avatar

funny

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Coalburned's avatar

MAD…what a perfect acronym for almost everything the Democratic Party (in its current iteration) stands for.

Another terrific column

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Occam's avatar

Make America Disintegrate. Good one, gato.

But I don't think that is, or was ever, their aim. They simply did what wall street, warlord dictators in Africa or the Middle East and politicians around the world do - sell out their nations so that they themselves can gain more money and power. The end result is the same, destruction of the western way of life, but I suspect that most of them (aside from those at the very very top) are just looking to cash in when they see the chance.

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Blackbird's avatar

It's easier to cash in when the world is full of weak, ineffective governments.

Even better once those pathetic attempts at governance are swept away and the world is gathered up in one basket subject to the same (plutocratic) rules.

And so we destroy other countries - and our own - in service of a plutocratic future.

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I watched a You Tube whose point was that four spheres of influence will develop in the future and the fourth will eventually dominate. The fourth is the intelligence community, AI and the folks that serve it. AI will control the world, much more powerful that the West, China, Russia, Europe or anyone else.

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Magdalene's avatar

That's why Apple is being treated like a nation-state (ie, tariffs) rather than as a corporation. Highly recommended & truly independent outlet Badlands Media mentions this in today's News Brief.

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Blackbird's avatar

"AI will control the world..." Or at least make the decisions for the plutocrats that control the world.

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michael janket's avatar

We have every right to invade and destroy any government we please. Would you rather have Burundi invade and destroy Ukraine?

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Blackbird's avatar

Good point. If Burundi invaded the Ukraine, we would never have heard about it.

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James, are you familar with Sir John Glubb's piece, the Fate of Empires? He proposes that all empires have a general lifespan of from 200 to 250 years which then brings new and dramatic changes either to morph the empire into something else, or to catapult it into the depths of just being another nation. We are at 250 year mark.

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RickyRitardo's avatar

I don't know AF. I think the American "Empire" began sometime in the 20th century. Maybe after WWI. Not to say it won't end soon

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Blackbird's avatar

I'd say that the American Empire began with the so-called "Spanish-American War" - which was really the US barging in on Cuba's war of independence to smash the skeleton of the Spanish Empire and rearrange the pieces under our Christmas tree. But that was just the manifestation of an imperial urge that had long been simmering just below the surface of US political life. The Knights of the Golden Circle being an ideological incubator.

The case could also be made for the Louisiana Purchase - an unconstitutional act, to which most turned a blind eye - being the beginning of empire.

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Vegan Shark's avatar

How was the Louisiana Purchase unconstitutional? Not arguing, just asking.

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Blackbird's avatar

From a strict, constructionist point of view, there is no authorization for the President to buy property from foreign governments.

From the "It means what I want it to" point of view - the prevailing view - anything goes.

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Lugh's avatar

We began in 1776. We've had our 250 years. Hopefully we can transform from a dying Republic into an Empire and have centuries more. As Rome did.

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Blackbird's avatar

Oh, not you too...

"Republics only last 250 years..." (Tell that to the Venetian Republic.) This is what happens when non-historians try to talk history.

So you ARE an imperialist and not a nationalist! Shame Jars, shame...

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Lugh's avatar

It's an average. No doubt there are exceptions. You still quail at the Truth: We established our nation thru the destruction of the Indian tribes (or nations if you will). They were in our way. We needed their soil for our blood so we were willing to shed their blood to get their soil.

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Eh. Our diseases did most of the job.

From 1500 to 1600, there were a few small colonies allowed on the coast, as Indians dug our nifty trinkets (like metal.)

But, the scrawny, undernourished, vitamin-C deficient sailors were no match for the numerous large, well-fed Indians feasting on fresh produce, fresh game, and pure waters. The Indians would let them stay for a few years, then kick them out again.

This lasted about a century. By the time the Pilgrims reached Plymouth Rock, things had changed. Near starving, they tried stealing some corn at one village and were driven away. An Indian who had served on several ships and spent time in England named Squanto told them to go to his old village instead, just down the coastline at what became Plymouth Rock.

Everyone there was dead. The corn grew wild, and there was no one left to stop them.

The Pilgrims wrote in their diaries, that they could walk all day, and as far as they could look on that walk, they could see the same thing.

Skeletons. Thousands and thousands of skeletons. Once their diseases took hold, the thin DNA of the Indians could not withstand the onslaught, and it scoured the original neolithics on this continent like wildfire. There was a 90% population loss in both North and South America.

Before the English and French started buying Africans to replace the dead Irish, the Spaniards had been replacing their thousands of dead Indians with Africans. They had to mass baptize because so many souls were being lost; adding African diseases to the mix just made the conflagration worse. (It was an unnamed black sailor from Portugal's ports who carred the smallpox scars in Cortes' contingent; it only took one Negro to bring down the Aztec Empire.)

After the Civil War, there was a second 90% population loss as the country drove West with the opening of the railroads and the beginning of the Indian Wars; the Indians' numbers had rebuilt somewhat, but were reduced yet again to an approximate 285,000. To the teeming, overcrowded lands of Europe, with a population density rivaling that of Hong Kong, this was and empty land.

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Tsk, tsk... I don't quail at the truth - but neither do I crow about it.

We didn't NEED their land, we WANTED it. Not saying that makes it wrong. Not saying that makes it right. It just is. We did what humans have done since we threw the first stone.

You dodged my imperialist vs. nationalist claim, but that's ok. Go ahead and quail...

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June Kessinger's avatar

I pray it works out. America may not have enough time, may have delved too far into moral decay to back up now.

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Mike Ware's avatar

Yes June, we’re too far gone. Christ is the only answer, and always has been!

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JohnAZ's avatar

Mike, I wonder. Man has used the “God is the answer to our stupidity” excuse for 5000 years. God gave us the ability to reason and make our own decisions without divine interference. Isn’t Man’s deviant behavior a problem that we have to solve, not God?

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Magdalene's avatar

Deviant from what, God's natural order? Maybe that's why God is continually identified as the answer to the hell we create for ourselves.

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Alzaebo's avatar

The Muslims chose Christ. They began as remnants of the Jewish Maccabees who accepted Christ as a prophet, hoping to revive their movement some 180 years after the Maccabean Revolt was cast down.

Getting no traction with either Jewish or non-Jewish Christians, they went on to force-convert the increasingly Christian Arabs, and kept on in their dream to bring all the world under Sharia, God's Law by their reckoning. Which God, you may ask.

We got Islam, a slave empire, as a result.

The Christ we know is a European God; by 1200 AD, slave auction blocks no longer existed across the whole of Europe. Indenture and feudal oaths, unfortunately, did, as coinage was only occasional.

A thrall was a ranch hand loyal to the family that housed his own, and the Christianized Vikings had stopped accepting Muslim silver by Merchant traders for valued Northern and Christian slaves. (It was that silver that sent them as pagans a-viking in the first place, for cargo more profitable than lumber, ambergris, and furs.)

Christianized Europe had also forbade the Merchant loan sharks' "chattel asset" trade of using one's children as collateral, to be 'repossessed' if the payments weren't made on time.

Meanwhile, the southern continent of Africa was often Christian, but absent Greco-Roman roots, Christian Ethiopia (Axum) was its largest slave port on the east coast, feeding the markets of the Middle East with millions of Africans.

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Dennis Merwood's avatar

Hasn't "Christ" had 2,000-years at it?

What would she do differently, Mike?

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Tony Lauria's avatar

Shut up about Boomers. Your constant rants only reveal your ignorance. The Boomer Generation was inevitable. Pick up a copy of The Fourth Turning and learn something.

PS: If you want to blame anyone for the Boomer Generation then blame those who raised and spoiled them - the winners of WW2, the Greatest.

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Ah ha ha ha ha! Yes, everything wrong with the world is the result of a group of people arbitrarily bookended into a cliche. Damn you "Boomers"!

When "Gen X" brings us our first President with a spiky mohawk and safety pins stuck in his face, that so-called "Axis of Resistance" is gonna shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down!

Our first blue-haired, gender-free "Millennial" "Equal Among Equals" will lead the world to a Utopia of homogenous diversity.

Paving the way for our AI-driven transhuman Savior. Let us prey...

The future's so bright, I gotta wear a welding mask.

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Magdalene's avatar

Well, it WAS only the Boomers who shifted further leftward in the last election while every other generation shifted rightward....

/js

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michael janket's avatar

I detect sarcasm........

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Blackbird's avatar

Oh come on - I was waaay too subtle...

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Alzaebo's avatar

But subtlety is your strong point!

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JohnAZ's avatar

One problem, when the boomers are gone, the skill of politicking will go with them. Successive generations do not have a clue what to do.

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Mike Ware's avatar

That’s a ridiculous “comment”.

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Demeter's avatar

Yes, it's amazing how few divorces there are--and funny enough, it parallels how few marriages there are. See the pattern?

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June Kessinger's avatar

You have no idea of that of which you speak.

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Blackbird's avatar

"actually only the boomers are into moral decay".

Wake up and smell the drag queens! Oh wait, they aren't divorced, so they are moral...

If you aren't doing stand-up comedy, you might want to consider it. You have a gift!

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I still puzzle over the Blue-No-Matter-Who-ers, and how they became what they are. In our early years they and I had so much in common - lovers of Truth, of Justice, and in serious doubt about The American Way. We all got plenty of education in the Liberal Arts, chose careers with better prospects for self fulfillment than for making a lot of money. We all teared up at hearing the song “Abraham, Martin, and John,” and hoped in some modest way to make the world a better place.

And yet, here we are: our old friendships tenuous, entirely dependent upon scrupulously avoiding talking about politics at all. There is symmetry in our opposing worldviews, but with a critical difference: I oppose pretty much everything the Democrats now stand for, but it does not occupy my every waking moment, and it’s not who I am. They are consumed with hating Trump. It’s who they are, leaving no space in their minds for any path forward.

I believe that they have fallen victim to two huge misconceptions. They have never outgrown Binary Thinking, the Manichean conception of a world in which all things are either Good or Bad. Since the Republicans are obviously Evil (and they pretty much are, of course) then their side, the Democrats, must be Goodness Incarnate. They also can’t even consider the possibility that the respective Goodness and Badness of their world might ever switch sides. Point out that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican and they just blink in confusion.

It was all but inevitable that truly bad people would eventually take advantage of this failure to see this world as it is, taking over a party that unquestioningly has to forever be The Good Guys, and committing it to a course of malicious destruction for the benefit of a very few truly Evil creatures at the system’s apex.

How are we to meaningfully remain friends with people who cannot see that Biden is senile, and the capo of a racketeering family, or that Tony Fauci is a conniving fraud?

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"We all teared up at hearing the song 'Abraham, Martin, and John,'...”

Speak for yerself Howie. Even as a naive - yet toxically cynical - young'un, I never fell for that, let's all hold hands and sing, "I Want to Buy the World a Coke" crapola. I knew a commie plot to undermine western society when I saw one.

But that binary thinking thing - you hit that right on the head. It's either this or that. Left or right. Up or down. Not so much thought as reaction.

Cut your losses. Stay away from diseased minds - they are contagious.

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Howard Skillington's avatar

I will - including yours, Birdie.

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Blackbird's avatar

Hehe! I was mostly agreeing with you.

I am beyond sanity - and it's dance partner insanity.

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Mun’s Frolick's avatar

The American people have been figuratively raped so long now, a large number of them consider it a condition, a norm, to celebrate. This is what comes from the crime of menticide. The party’s ring-leaders should all hang, until dead, and their remains should remain hanging (til there bones turn to dust) — as reminders, so that people ever remember the wages of evil deeds.

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Blackbird's avatar

We are flooding the country with globotrash - and coddling our own home-grown trash - in order to get rid of that annoying term "figuratively".

"Mostly peaceful procreation."

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“Didn’t we voluntarily deep-six all the old [factories] only a few decades ago? AND FOR WHAT REASON?” The outcome we are trending toward seems so perfectly aligned with the openly-professed goals of our “would-be betters” that one can be forgiven for imagining that was part of some long-term plan.

Incidentally, you have expressed perfectly what was only a somewhat vague feeling of my own when you wrote: “It’s pretty universally acknowledged that America’s recent wars — say, starting with Vietnam — have been stupid, pointless, and fake in instigation. And yet the soldiers we sent into these fiascos acted bravely and honorably for the most part. So, it has felt a little weird to celebrate their sacrifices minus any sense of political justice, victory, or meaning in the endeavors they sacrificed for.” I am an 8 year veteran myself (although not a combat vet), and yet find myself inexplicably somewhat embarrassed to admit to it for just this reason.

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Lugh's avatar

British soldiers from WW2 were sickened at what Britain became. They regretted ever fighting. As one said, At least Hitler was for his people unlike our leaders.

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Oh for Christ's sake stop it with boomer this, boomer that. Quite a few of us have been fighting this battle for many decades. You sound like you're still wet behind the ears.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

It does get old. If one was to really examine this for the purpose of assigning fault, perhaps those generations who were educated under the hoax of climate change and that pretty much rules out the boomers. They are the zealots who have had this hoax drilled into their minds and so easily manipulated because they were indoctrinated, not educated.

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Blackbird's avatar

People living in a comic book world need a simple plot and only a few basic caricatures to make "sense" of things.

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Magdalene's avatar

To be fair, this thing traces all the way through the Venetian banker remnants of Rome and Phoenicia, through the sorcerers of the mystery religions & all the way back to the progenitors of the Nephilim.

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Blackbird's avatar

Oh come on, you're just trying to sound profound now.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

So, it was the boomers, huh? That's really stupid, Angus. The fact is, it was the climate change hoax perpetrated by the remnants of the war years like Maurice Strong and Rockefeller that led to the closing of factories, and the American Mind. It was ideology and the pursuit of wealth fueled by corruption and this cuts across all generations that has been taking this country down the path of MMT and trickle up poverty everywhere.

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I doubt that the climate change narrative had much to do with this; given that the narrative is a globalist one, it was obvious even then that merely RELOCATING manufacturing does nothing to reduce its supposed impact on the environment, whatever we believe that to be.

No, this happened for purely monetary considerations--the titans of industry and finance chasing cheaper labor costs and less regulation.

Amusingly, in a great example of ignorance at work, we hear politicians today argue that (say) China's emissions are much worse than ours, completely ignoring the fact that it is really the consumer who drives those emissions rather than the manufacturer. And guess who that consumer is?

I think Angus is closer to the truth than you realize.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

These factories now exist elsewhere where the climate impact no longer falls on Western societies or as they tell us. I think climate change has had a major impact because it is globalist in it's very essence. It was meant to extract exactly that, monetary considerations for those in on it which has become the oligarch's in every society. No, he's not, he is assigning blame, but he is right about the money. It's always about the money and who controls it.

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Blackbird's avatar

The Paris accords required the US and the west to reduce their production of "deadly carbon dioxide" - but it's ok for China and India (and anyone else not-white) to increase their output. White people knowingly destroyed the world for personal gain, but the enlightened not-white races are industrializing in order to benefit the whole world. China and India's pollution doesn't pollute because it's not rayciss.

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grand funk's avatar

ever read the terms..asian brown cloud..now known as atmospheric brown cloud?

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Knowingly destroyed the world? How so? If your reply is to say by the adoption of climate change you might have an argument but if you say racism you are playing tricks with words. All societies harbor prejudices some more than others and these are usually multi-cultural societies. That China or India pollute is true, but not because they are non-white rather they are beyond the control of Western Oligarchies. they do not industrialize to benefit the whole world they are doing it to enjoy prosperity. Reducing everything to racism simply gets more racism and chaos.

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Lugh's avatar

It made a relatively few people a lot of money - and that's what America is about. Anyone who has a problem with it is what John Az calls a "gimme", an enemy of America.

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Blackbird's avatar

Oh, you caught us! Yes, all of us "Boomers" are industrialists who moved our operations to China - starting in the '80s - to make more money because "Gen X" and the "Millennials" wanted unions and a decent wage.

No "Boomers" got laid off because we are all industrialists. The "Quiet Generation" - the "generation" that everyone forgets about - were too old to work in our factories, and their parents, the "Greatest Generation" were, obviously, even older. So there were also workforce issues. China - not having generations - was the obvious solution.

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Letsrock's avatar

No I don't remember that. And please ffs stop w the ridiculous generalizations.

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Demeter's avatar

Your best yet: factual, and no snide remarks about women.

May I point out, as a woman, that women served on the home front, keeping families, governments and businesses alive and functional, doing their best to make up for the loss of their menfolk, whether it was temporary or permanent for both their own generation and the next.

And yet somehow that never enters into the equation.

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Pnoldguy's avatar

That’s because they’ve morphed into purple haired, metal pierced shrieking they/them caricatures that hate white men for trying to block them from turning their boys into girls or girls into boys.

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Letsrock's avatar

Oh, I didn't know that those are women.

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Lugh's avatar

Yes, as Hillary said: It's women who suffer in war. Men just die. Thus the Hefty commercial with men compared to trash bags with women saying, "Later, baby".

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Blackbird's avatar

Thank you for your service!

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Demeter's avatar

It's not service, it's sacrifice, for all parties.

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Blackbird's avatar

Raising a family is a sacrifice? Don't tell the kids!

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