If I was still in the stock market, I would be buying Raytheon big time!
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Yey! More money for war, genocide, and stealing other peoples natural resources. You sanctimonious blood vultures are so disgusting, it's beyond belief.

Whoa. I think Gaz was being sarcastic.

Ask the poor folks in Tioga and Bradford Counties in PA that can light a match to thier drinking water at the kitchen faucet since the Mother frackers came to town how safe fracking is.
Not so much!

"Crazy Times call for a Crazy President"

Based on your handle, you gave the wrong response to your own call. Ron Paul fits both much better.

Not that I'm voting for Paul, but he would be the best person to satisfy Freewheeling Ferdinand from the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers: "Dope makes it easier to get through times of no money than money makes it to get through times of no dope." Of course, voting for Paul because of his anti-imperialism and pro-legalization would be like voting for Newt Gingrich because of his advocacy on behalf of a Moon base, while ignoring everything else.

"Election? We will get to choose among a gold plated bucket of shit, a plastic bag of shit, and a rewarmed but folksy pile of shit. "

Shecky, I am keeping that one! Awesome, sad, and pointedly true. Well said!

...uh, yes I was, but sarcastic humor does not go over well around here. Mika needs to look up the meaning of "sanctimonious". Using big words improperly smells like recent public schooling.

Whoa. I think Gaz was being sarcastic.
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Yeah, sure. And that sarcasm is reflected in the popularity of $AAPL or $RTN or $MON stock, etc.

Don't expect critical thinking from [the corporate media]--their interests are vested in your not knowing which end is up. That's their job. -LB

Correct. And, as JHK explicitly pointed out, 'mercans don't want the truth, can't handle the truth, and desperately want to be bullshitted because it makes 'em FEEL better! (Besides, thinking is HARD.)

Really good posting, K.
Just don't expect any "steppin' up" from those who happen to be the paid toadies of Wall Street and MegaCorpInc. That just leads to frustration and bitter disappointment.

Ozone

Not all of us like to be lied to. We shouldn't all be lumped together--that's how they justify their fraudulent system.

Oh, don't you know that's what the people want?

Truly, but those of us who'd rather deal with the outcomes of uncomfortable predicaments than have them papered over are in a distinct minority. That's my observation from peeking around me. ...A lot of cognitive dissonance sizzling through a passel of social interactions as well!

"There's something happening here, but you don't know what it is; do you, Mr. Jones?" -R. Zimmerman

Yeah, peaceful protests. That's some scary shit.

...And the POTUS' continuing bullshittery is not helping any kind of understanding of our various predicaments!! This is not just "benign calming", it's dangerous. The train is heading full speed for the end of the line, the fireman keeps shoveling on the coal, and no one is at the throttle.

Place yer bets!

Well, good luck with that. Sincerely. That takes guts and dedication.

Howsomever:
I'll be observing closely to see just how that works out for you. (...Whilst making other arrangements.)

O.T.G. might as well waste your vote, it does'nt mean anything anyway!

...and a party whose lawmakers have not sworn to oppose out of hand every single piece of legislation proposed or put forth by the sitting president.

Judging from the arrests that have been happening,including pepper spraying peaceful protesters--yes, they are scary shit. My point exactly. What it takes is numbers.

Which is where occupy comes in. The more support the better.

...because the only way to regain any control of our system is to make the overlord bastards fear the rest of us--through peaceful protests. - DC

DC, I'm all for peaceful protest and it could work if the overlord bastards, as you call them, were reasonable people. Which they're not. If they were reasonable we wouldn't be in the multiple interlocking messes we're in now.

If the overlord bastards were reasonable people they might have exerted themselves mightily to provide enlightened leadership (which they haven't). They would have counselled moderation to the sharpies on Wall Street and bullshitters in the C Suites and then used the levers of political power and enforcement to compel (none of which happened). They would use common sense with such dangerous places as Pakistan (none as yet in evidence).

The overlord bastards are not going to listen to sweet reason. They mock the OWS protestors and dismiss the rest of us.

Hate to say it Dream but peaceful protest won't cut it. Dispruptive protest maybe but I think that the pressure will get to the point where you get violent unrest. Unless the overlord bastards are directly threatened either financially or physically they won't fear anybody.

Howdy Mila, Got to agree with you and Dream. I would much rather take my chances with the party that is somewhat willing to toss we peons a crumb or two rather than the party that wants the cake and all the crumbs for themselves.

SNAFU

"And I don't want to vote for "O" either, but neither do I want to allow the "cornpone" Nazis to formally occupy the White House. What's a girl to do?"

I intend to make my vote and any ability I have to promote be a statement, a stand on truth, not on JIVE. Obama has proven to be Not-see lite. There are at least two truly progressive candidates ready and willing to receive our votes and support, Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson.

The political game is rigged by those who run it. These folks are ruthless, ignorant, and arrogant, and will get what they in the cleverest of ways. Let us leave them to wake up to their heartlessness and start a new game by doing whatever it is we can do to contribute toward a better world for all. Winning elections is not the end of anything. Giving without thought of return, serving without thought of reward will win hearts, one at a time. This will fulfill our inherent duty toward one another. It is what matters after all.

You kinda got a point. But, the pepper sprayed protesters I saw were not all that peaceful. They encircled the cops and prevented their egress, which scared the cops, who reacted with the gas.

Thus, not so peaceful protests evoke a not so peaceful response, giving us an image which may be manipulated to advantage in the struggle. The escalation of this cycle may yet engender a revolution, but it will not be peaceful. Our anger, and their fear, are justified.

The thieves of us will not yield gently the spoils of their perfidy. Their minions, our brothers and sisters, will pay the price by proxy before the tumbrils roll.

seems funny to me that dubya stealing florida (remember the supreme court stopped the recount, and so on)so often still gets balamed on Nader. I'm pretty sure that's an idea that serves the DNC more than the electorate.

my 12:11 post was in reply to Dreamcycle.

Yes, it does seem to be a choice of the proverbial lesser of two evils, isn't it? And Dream Cycle, I agree with you about Occupy. I think we need to give peaceful protest a chance before throwing in the towel. If it were wide-enough spread, peaceful protest would move mountains. For instance, taking money out of banks, and dis-investing yourself (divesting?) from the "marketplace." These things would be noticed. There are lots of things that the Occupy movement began and continues. Let's see what transpires in the Spring before we give up on anything.

On Saturday, I testified at a People's Tribunal on Monsanto. I posted my testimony here -

http://wagelaborer.blogspot.com/

because if I'm going to go to the trouble of writing a speech, I'm putting it on my blog.

There will be 2 more Tribunals, and then, supposedly, a DVD released. They were taping it.

I'm generally with you, but the only problem with disruptive action is that it just gives them an excuse to use their ever ready violent tactics. Not that they need an excuse, considering they will pepper spray people who are actually sitting peacefully (Oakland.) However, Occupy is just a beginning, and they can also use their growing numbers to influence Wall street in various ways.
Again, it's numbers. I have worked in municipal government for years, and while that is usually not the corporate govt that we are speaking about, I have always been amazed at how quickly mayors and aldermen actually do react to VERY small numbers of complaints. Often the "complainers" are met with and listened to, and often they get at least some of whatever they want.
Obviously, it's not going to be that easy on a large scale. But we have to take a stand,lots of us, since corporations can now own politicians. Beyond that, what do you suggest, besides disruptive (violent?) action?
Meanwhile, we have made many gains, both small and large, that the right would love to stomp, and I'd rather not just step aside and let them stomp away.

I had to go to work and missed the second half of the Tribunal, but we had two seed cleaners testify.

I don't know if you realize it, but Monsanto hassles seed cleaners (who help farmers save their seeds for replanting) and the farmers who use them.

They literally send goons in window-tinted SUVs to drive onto farmer's land and threaten them. Monsanto hired Blackwater for their services.

The seed savers say that the farmers blamed them, but of course they didn't turn in their customers! How stupid can you get? But farmers are turning against farmers, including people who have been neighbors for generations.

They suspect that Monsanto put GPS devices on their cars, and that's how they found which farmers to harass.

Sad but true...

I agree MILA,
Otherwise I couldn't get up in the morning....

They count on our love of the little things to keep us in line on the big things. We love cheap gas so we accept the war in Iraq and BP's evil shenanigans, fracking, &ca. Straits of Hormuz? Jesus gave us that in the by god holy bible.

We love cheap food so we turn away from water pollution, animal cruelty, and genetic engineering. Et fucking cetera.

You get bread, a circus, and the king gets to fuck your daughter on her wedding night.

What gains have we made? Equality of worth, regardless of race, gender or economic status, is our right, as specified in the Constitution, the only document holy to me. Any "gain" on this front is only a grudging acknowledgment of what was ours to begin with. What do I have to give back to keep my right to dissent, to assemble, to speak in public? For my vote to count as much as some murdering millionaire's?

Non negotiable.

the only way to regain any control of our system is to make the overlord bastards fear the rest of us--through peaceful protests.

You can protest without even leaving your house by not paying federal income taxes.

The number of Zero-Tax Filers, as a percentage of Tax-Filers, has been steadily increasing:

1980 ... 21.3%
1985 ... 18.5%
1990 ... 21.0%
1995 ... 24.5%
2000 ... 25.2%
2004 ... 32.6%
2008 ... 36% (most recent IRS data)

SOURCE: Record Numbers of People Paying No Income Tax; Over 50 Million "Nonpayers" Include Families Making over $50,000

You don't like perpetual war with Middle Eastern countries? You don't think the government is legitimate?

Then don't pay for it.

Hi, lbendet. I must take issue with your statement that Carter was ill-received by the American people. That's the lie we're told, but actually, the polls showed that Americans approved of the wear-a-sweater speech.

It was the 1% that didn't like Carter. So they put Reagan in, and now we're told that we all loved him.

I picked up a book from 1989 at the used book store, and thought of you. It's pretty amazing to read a time capsule from that era. It's called "The Money Culture" by Michael Lewis, kind of a less-entertaining Matt Tahibbi of the 80s. I wonder what happened to him. Anyway, it's a collection of his columns about the Wall Street crimes of the 80s.

From one column (July, 1989) "Last month Salomon Brothers found itself censured by the Securities and Exchange Commission for making illegal short sales during the crash of October 1987. What was interesting about the case wasn't that Salomon in the heat of the moment broke the law, but that management after sober reflection tried to hide the evidence. That small act of defiance was truly haunting"

Wow! Like I said last week about something else, how far have we fallen?

Now, Wall Street is openly defiant and openly commits illegal acts. And the SEC doesn't even pretend to investigate.

And listen to this-

"Second, House leaders Jim Wright and Tony coelho have lost their jobs partly because their hands were found deep in the pockets of money men. In a newly chastened Washington, money is less likely to have its way."

Wow!

And finally, in a part about Wall Street trying to give a report to Congress about the wonderful benefits of leverage buy-outs (back when America had productive companies that could be bought, stripped, ripped apart and sold for profit)-

"For a survey, however, it was remarkably one-sided in favor of LBOs. It omitted most of the literature, including a seminal paper by Benjamin Bernanke, a Princeton economics professor who makes a strong case that the leveraging of corporate America could end in tears. The SIA paper was a survey of little except the half-truths and veiled threats Congress is likely to hear from investment bankers if it tries to interrupt Wall Street's newest money game."

Wow!!

Where was Eric Holder for the last 3 years, when he should have been prosecuting Wall Street bankers with the existing laws, with existing personnel?

Well, the FBI has turned from investigating white collar crime to entrapping "terrorists", taking disgruntled young men, firing them up, providing them with materials, and then "breaking up terrorist cells".

Meanwhile, Eric Holder is busily attacking legal marijuana operations in California and Colorado.

What do you expect from a man who was in a law firm that represented the MERS corporation, which made the explosion of gambling on mortgages possible?

I don't know what "americans" thought of Carter. I voted for him, twice. In my opinion the last decent man we had in the office. I met his daughter many times at a book store in ATL, nice young lady.

I really could not believe the election results of 1980. What the hell happened? Somehow it became wrong to conserve energy, wear a god damn sweater when it is cold, and think about tomorrow?

He was received poorly by the american people of my acquaintance. The douchebags blamed him for OPEC, the blowback from the CIA overthrow of Mossadegh in 1956, and the military defeat in Viet Nam.

I lost any real hope for America in 1979. Only Newton's First Law keeps me going. The Outside Force is too weak to overcome my inertia.

God damn Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama.

Unfortunately, though, the right doesn't agree with us about ours rights...

Jill Stein is also running as an alternative to the corporate control of the US.

http://www.jillstein.org/

Well said, shecky.

While I do not share Carter's Christian beliefs, at least he wasn't putting on an act to get votes. Out of office he continued to pick up a framing hammer and build houses for Habitat for Humanity, getting his hands dirty and rubbing shoulders with poor folks.

Carter didn't need to do that as an ex-president. Right decent human being. Just wasn't macho enough for the war mongers motivated by fear and/or greed.

I agree about Carter. Also, 1979 was when it seemed like political awareness and environmental conservation got replaced, not only with hyper-consumption, but with I'm OK/You're OK psycho-babble. It was like a whiplash change...

The latest post has her position on fossil fuels and on fracking.

http://www.jillstein.org/

Nudeworld said "the progressives blew it with the 1965 immigration law."

Well, put in context, the imported labor thing was standard practice, going back 100s of years.

Pinning the tail on that donkey at 1965 is a little dubious. Were the stakes that high back then?

Mexicans were immigrated for the industrial agriculture sector, by and large. It was a succession of mistakes plotted either direction from 1965, plus or minus. Of course, the closer you get to the present day, the greater the magnitude of the problem.

So either way, there was more corporate consolidation, more immigrants, more intensive retrograde agricultural practices every decade following. In 1965, the mexican field worker was a picturesque part of the scenery. As they were dusted with pesticides from airplanes.

The metaphor of the can being kicked down the road is only correct if the can doubles in size every few revolutions. Every time it needs a new kick it requires more effort because it is bigger and bigger.

Eventually pain ensues. "The failure to understand the exponential function" - A. Bartlett

"'. The Chesapeake parking lot is full of full size V8 pick ups and not one of them has been converted to run on all this cheap natural gas that is supposed to be under our feet."

A lot of people believe that cars and trucks can be easily retrofitted. This is not true. A conversion to natural gas is expensive and complicated. Methane is highly explosive and rather unstable. It must be stored at 3000 psi. It tends to corrode things. Technically it is possible. You will pay several thousand dollars for no increase in efficiency, and a premium for the fuel, not to mention the cost of a fueling infrastructure. Good luck when the tank goes empty and you wish to fill a jerry can with a gallon.

Every gas engine built by the majors is like a yawning stomach, an iron metabolism waiting to convert ancient sunlight to carbon dioxide. And they will. When people invest in technology they will use it- otherwise it is a loss, and people psychologically count losses as severe. No, it is only by habitual use and exploitation of the power and visceral thrills of acceleration and speed, does a human being find closure with his decision to purchase or own one of these things. As the psychological morphology of technological use resembles prosthetic enhancement, no one notices the organic decay of the body. They are too entertained by the car's human pleasure inducing systems, which are like precision munitions separating self from body. The act of controlling the power of a vehicle, moving at speed, the thrill of acceleration and the pleasure of heated leather seats are all dopamine-mediated reactions every bit as addictive as heroin or cocaine. There is no more carefully designed system to stimulate human beings. Driving is a peak experience for most people. From the outside looking in, a traffic jam is a drudgery, a picture of organic stasis, a body at rest. It is like gazing upon the patrons in an opium den. The car is cocoon. Later, the Automobile's grim reaper will ferry the living to their place of rest, planted in the ground. The stretch hearse always has a V-8 with a sensibly muffled exhaust system. We are powerfully stimulated to remember vestigial memories of the womb when we are in cars sealed away from the elements. We relapse into a somnolent state. The audio system of a car recreates the vascular regularity of a heartbeat.

Ain't nobody gonna be driving natural gas except private and municipal fleets which can invest in massive storage and delivery systems, and sign for large fueling contracts.

Now, you can make a synthetic fuel using methane as a feedstock, but the process itself uses energy.

In WWII there was gas rationing. You turned your engine off at the top of a hill and then used its momentum to restart it near the bottom. The old Fords got 25-30 miles per gallon, illustrating that the returns on technology stagnated a long, long time ago.

Obama is credited with saving jobs by saving the Automotive sector and its "ecology of jobs": all the parts suppliers. That ecology is what had been undermining America for 100 years. That ecology is why the reciprocating piston engine, or cars that average a ton of gross weight are the norm, because anything else would be too radical. As a car loses weight, a human can detect the loss of mass. Psychologically he feels the loss of mass as the loss of physical stature. If a car were made with a smaller engine (better matched to typical loads) the human feels the psychological loss of excess capacity, and feels vulnerable, like we wandered out of the cave with the short club. If the car were made with three wheels, he's feel inferior to the car with 4 wheels, if the car didn't have leather seats, he wouldn't feel like a smooth-skinned supermodel was spooning him, if the car didn't have 8 speakers, he doesn't experience the multi-frequency stimulation allowing the effortless loss of consciousness to hypnotic professional audio.

If it doesn't have a pearlescent paint job, a person psychologically suffers as someone with a publicly-visible skin disorder. And when the car is broken, incapacitated, he feels like a limb has been broken- disabled- because the car is prosthetic. And when he pays out of pocket for repairs and upkeep he is reaffirming his investment in the entire system, from gas pump to predator drone, to stock market, all the way up to congress and president.

The physical reality is that burning hydrocarbons to push large pieces of metal is not efficient. It remains a fact that, at their apex, Most of the energy homo sapiens liberated in the 20th century to the present day was wasted- it turned to heat or friction with absolutely no work being done.

We drank from the cup of unearned wealth, that small percentage which we did not pour out onto the ground. And for this brief thrill, we impose on the future terrible burdens. But not the least of which is the direct effects on automobile operators- their basic perceptual systems, intellect, physical health, ethical and moral development, cultural and social development etc.

You're well-named, Dreamcycle, because you have to be asleep to believe the shit they hand you!

Re: your second point. Do you not realize that Obama causally signed away abortion coverage as part of the deal to get the Health Insurance Company Bailout passed?

That's not a crumb the Democrats are tossing you, SNAFU.

It's pepper spray and clubs.

There is no way in hell that they will EVER cancel the elections.

Why would they? They keep people distracted from the important issues, they provide the illusion of democracy, they enrich the media corporations which then funnel the propaganda straight from the press releases.

Look on this very blog and you'll see people who very clearly see the problems we are facing, and then announce that they are going to stick with the party that's better.

The party they've had for three years, and has brought them Wall Street bailouts, insurance company handouts, increased war, assassinations of US citizens, increased Homeland Repression, militarized police, the NDAA, and millions of foreclosures, while the mortgage holders rake in the profits.

That's better. In their minds.

So the ruling class has absolutely nothing to fear than to hold their farcical elections.

And they control the voting machines anyway.

Al Bore DID win the election. It was stolen by the Supreme Court.

9-11 probably would still have happened, and the US would have invaded Iraq, because Saddam Hussein was selling oil in euros.

Just like the US attacked Libya under Obama, because Ghaddafi was going to sell oil in dinars.

It doesn't matter which puppet is in the White House.

Without taking any steps against those that made it possible?

Yes he seemed to be genuine. But he was percieved to be weak with the Iran hostage situation. That I could forgive, but his connection with the ever sinsister Zgbniew Brezinski is another matter. And one begins to realize that it's all one piece: the Environmental Movement is controlled at the highest level by the Globalists - who if they get their way, want to end private property and the ability to grow our own food. After all, food is power and they want it all. Most environmentally conscious people don't know about how their idealism and goodness is going to be used by Evil. But it is.

Unfortunately, most "Green" type people are kind of mushy liberal/leftists who have never worked thru their ideas about private property vs collectivism. They honor scum like Che for example. They don't know and they don't want to know. That makes them sheep ripe for the plucking.
Freedom means weapons and property and the right to say No to people who want what you have. But how to combine these fundamental American values with the new paradigm? As you know, most people don't care to struggle and just want easy answers - simple truths like idolizing Joe Paterno or Che or Castro or Mao or Ronald Reagan. Anything, anything but the pain of uncertainty and the necessity of thinking.

The Money Culture" by Michael Lewis,
Hey Wage, check out wikipedia on Michael Lewis, still writing and on TV. If you like that book there's plenty more to read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Lewis

He was taken down, that's for sure.

First we had the incredible hype over the hostages. That has never been repeated, with the ensuing hostages over the years.

Nightly, the newscaster would intone "This is day ___ of the Iranian hostage crisis".

Then, the Reagan team made a deal with the ayotollah to keep the hostages until after the election, in return for them selling arms to Iran. (Through Israel, as you'll recall. The two who are now posturing against Iran).

The hostages were then released, with great fanfare, on Reagan's inauguration day.

Even then, Carter almost won.

Here is a link about the 11% increase in polls following the speech. Ironically, you have to click through a Homeland Security ad to get to it!

http://hnn.us/articles/95308.html

What's a girl to do? Eat the corn and then use the corn cob.

Leftists worry about a Christian takeover even as we are in the middle of a slow mo Communist Coup -how amazing. I admit that it could have happened the way you fantasize. But it didn't. Why don't you take a look? Evangelicals are strong, but they don't even control the Republican Party much less the United States. That's why Obama will probably get in again - the Right is hopelessly divided.

Yes, the human capacity for organization of data is strictly limited. Thus the more data, the less knowledge. And the more knowledge, the less wisdom - each being a refinement of the previous; raw material, pollen that has to be turned into honey.

Of course a Culture could have a tremendous store of knowledge gathered over time but it takes time to process it all. Too much data or knowledge all at once will lead to poor choices if it needs to be used right away.

"We drank from the cup of unearned wealth, that small percentage which we did not pour out onto the ground. And for this brief thrill, we impose on the future terrible burdens. But not the least of which is the direct effects on automobile operators- their basic perceptual systems, intellect, physical health, ethical and moral development, cultural and social development etc."

One of, if not the best post here. Thanks.

And THAT, my peeps, is not conspiracy THEORY, it's conspiracy FACT.

Holder (and friends) were installed for a reason; I'll leave it to all and sundry to figure what that reason might be....

"9-11 probably would still have happened..."

Actually not, because Al Gore would have withdrawn the US military from Saudi Arabia, home to Mecca,
which was the main thing that got under Osama Bin Ladin's skin. Notice how his so-called death last year isn't even mentioned by anyone anymore?
So it is quite unlikely that Saudis would have been involved. But someone else could have done it...

And then of course there is the whole area of 'conspiracy theory' which claims that either the US was in on it, or just let it happen....

We will probably never learn the full truth...

Quoth Wage:
"Look on this very blog and you'll see people who very clearly see the problems we are facing, and then announce that they are going to stick with the party that's better."

Cognitive dissonance anyone? Hello, anybody in there?
(You're also absolutely correct that Diebold is the "final decider" in any case. It's all an "audience participation" feel-good sham. Show that we might actually have a choice, then maybe I'll think about some legitimacy issues.)

Gee, is this the same Vlad as the Vlad that posted the other night about playing with Tiggers from Gedi Prime?
You might want to go and see your MD, I think your meds might be a bit out of balance.

;)

Rocky Anderson - what a name! Sounds like a fag trying to sound tough. Now don't get me wrong, he may be a fine man but he should change his name. I don't know anything about him except his name and I already hate him. I speak for the millions of common men who vote their first impressions. I don't but I'm still in touch with that part of myself. I could have been sucessful in the Advertising Industry because I have that kind of mind. I hate getting up to alarm clocks and having to put on a suit and a tie though.

I look great in a suit but I don't want to have to "look good" like that everyday at 9 in the morning. Or take shit from Corporate Psychopaths. Advertising is a black art - one of the many poisoned fruits of Jewish genius a la Bernays, Freud's nephew.

That was the cat who wrote that. I'm very angry with him for doing that. I don't try to mess him up like that when I'm in his body on his world.

"Seemed" to be genuine? Well. We will never know for sure, but at least he called for genuine energy independence. We WERE weak vis a vis the hostages- we suborned and overthrew their democratically elected government, and supported the evil cocksucker who took its place. No offense to actual cocksuckers.

Zbig? Dunno. Carter had to compromise to some extent with the existing power structure. You may be right. The Zbigger was prewar Polish, pro-Vatican. Fuck them Nazis, hope you are ok with that.

Bottom line, Jimmeh at least had an open mind. He grew peanuts, which are not nuts, but legumes. Prolly confusing to some.

The environmentalists I know- more than a few, including me and a bunch of Earth First! badasses- want us all to return to self sufficiency, efficiency, and interdependence on local, known producers of necessity. Jimmy C would at least buy them lunch. I got the tip.

A guy who can conflate Joe Pa with Che is at the least interesting. AFAIK Che never turned his back on a molested child. But jayzus- Reagan und Che in the same verfreakinden sentence? Pick a side, Jack.

Yes we should see the Diebolds as the Daleks of our Time. They must be opened up for inspection or the game is moot. As your hero Stalin said, it's not the voting that counts but the counting.

Pick a side, any side? No, evil is on both sides Jack. Reagan was a decent man in way over his head: all his cabinet were CFR but he wasn't. Sad.
And Earth First and Ed Abbey? Heroes. But what about tree spiking? Monkeywrenching to the point of murder? At least admit it's a moral issue to ponder. And what do you think of PETA? I love animals but see them as dangerous loons who obviously getting some very big funding from somewhere. Likewise Falan Gong: good work against the ChiComs but they came out of nowhere with lots of clout. CIA?

Shecky baby that's the problem: people pick a side, "the right side" and then they let their guard down. The battle against evil will never end in this world and we can never let our guard down. And as far as the left/right thing - there good ideas on both sides, good men on both sides, bad ideas on both sides, and evil men on both sides.

Avoiding funding the system, avoiding being trapped into having to use their monopolies, avoiding working for and serving their organizations, avoiding participating and propping their system, is the way to go.

You're living through a script written decades prior, and you ^don't even realize it.

Ed Abbey was the only Environmentalist of his generation to buck the group think and speak the Truth: if the Mexicans aren't stopped, nothing else we do matters. Far more typical was the Sierra Club wich took a massive bride from David Geldbaum (means money tree in Yiddhish, I shit you not) to shut up about the environmental carnage being caused by the Mexicans. With a few exceptions, they did.

Geldbaum is "an environmental hedge fund manager" - thar's gold in this shit now. The biggest Green Conman of all is Maurice Strong, the Globalist Mastermind behind the Green movement - which ultimately plans to move all humans into cities and cut the population of the Earth to 500 million. The forests will only be for the Nobles - as they were back in Medevial Times.

I had no idea! Thanks for the link.

He explained things very clearly.

However, it's very possible that leveraged buyouts are easier to explain than collateralized debt obligations.

Bustin,

Oh, very well said. I'd never thought of the notion of automobile as prosthetic, but it makes a great deal of sense.

Re: Obama's All of the Above Strategy. I disagree with Jim here. I thought it was politically a very shrewd move, especially in conjunction with ending oil subsidies. One consequence of that of course is that oil costs will go up, but there may be a bit of virtuous cycle there in that oil prices in the very near term are likely to fall 25-30% if the current oil contango is any indication. This means that the end of subsidies will come just as oil prices themselves are falling, meaning that overall we'll end up continuing with Texas crude oil in the $75-$95 range (Brent, which most of the rest of the world uses as their standard oil price, runs about $25-30 more).

Additionally, Obama's LNG comments also meant that the government is seeing LNG as being something worth providing additional oversight on, which was likely not good news to the LNG industry even though environmentalists were the first to be wary.

Similarly, it provided cover for the Keystone pipeline decision, which even from a business standpoint benefited the Koch brothers and a few other billionaire investors while providing little real tangible benefit to the US, and gave him leverage to negotiate a better route or more beneficial deal. Finally, it gave him cover for expanding alt-energy, defused Solyndra as an issue, and boxed in his rivals.

Folks, Obama is not going to pull a Jimmy Carter here. He knows full well that if he comes forward with THE TRUTH he won't get elected, won't complete his political agenda and may as well hand the country to his opponents right now. The honeymoon that he's had with the banks has ended - politically, he has no cover to defend them any longer, and Goldman Sachs and others are already placing their bets on Romney because Obama has no choice BUT to go populist at this stage. (Remember that FDR was even more 1% by a long stretch than Obama, but he was forced into working against the banks eventually because there was no path forward otherwise and Main Street rage was rising).

Perhaps you missed Obama's gloating over his announced hit on Osama during his State of the Union address.

Amazing that we have sunk so low that the President can posture and preen like a Mafia capo about his hits, while his partners in crime cheer him on.

Of course I don't believe that Osama Binladen orchestrated 9-11 from his cave in Afghanistan. Of course I don't believe that 110 story buildings can explode and collapse at the speed of gravity.

That was planned before 9-11, for the expressed purpose of being used to get the American people to support endless war and Homeland Repression.

If it was just an accident of the Bush administration, why was the Patriot Act ready to roll? Why was the military ready to invade?

Why was it played as an administration triumph? Instead of a massive failure? Why wasn't it played as a reason to get off of Saudi oil? Instead of a reason to give tax credits for Hummers?

Why did the military in charge that day get medals and promotions? Instead of court martials and firings? Ditto the National "Security" establishment?

Of course I don't believe that Osama Binladen lived in Pakistan suburbia for 10 years, or that the Navy Seals did the hit and then threw him into the ocean with cement shoes.

Of course I believe that 9-11 would have happened under Gore, and he would have been whisked off to a cave in Nebraska and told how to play it or else.

And I believe that the media would have played Gore as our Father-in-Chief, and we would have been told that "we all were terrified" by 9-11, and that we were all so scared that we welcomed the Patriot Act, and Homeland Security.

Just like we are told that we all hated Carter's speech and that we all loved Reagan.

They create the reality and we are told to believe it.

I once helped to extricate a 700 pound man from his doublewide. He was having an MI, septo-lateral STEMI. We had to cut down the wall of his "home" to get him out and take him to the closest cath lab. Hx CHF, ejection fraction 28%.

He sued, of course. Still in litigation. Awaiting the subpoena. He is dead. His estate salivates.

They create the reality and we are told to believe it.
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And they hire and create the public scapegoats for the media to focus on while they hide nameless and unmentioned in the shadows.

And Israel is nothing but a Vatican Front.

Yep, that's why the corporate media went crazy about the Occupy movement, which refused to get involved in the political theater and pointed its finger straight at the financial sector and the 1%.

No,no! Don't focus on Wall Street!

Look! Over there! Look at the politicians! They're the ones that are out to get you!

You must drink wine out of a skull! Leftists tried to crash the Dueling Society's big ball in Vienna.

Black is bright? Well they took a guy out in a UFO for a ride around the solar sytsem. He said he couldn't see the sun cuz it was "too dark out there".

Obama causally signed away abortion coverage - Wage

Although causally is a word, I'm guessing you meant casually.......but what the hay, close enough for clusterfucknation.

"The party they've had for three years, and has brought them Wall Street bailouts, insurance company handouts, increased war, assassinations of US citizens, increased Homeland Repression, militarized police, the NDAA, and millions of foreclosures, while the mortgage holders rake in the profits.

That's better. In their minds." - Wage

You convinced me. I wasn't gonna vote at all but now I'm going to vote for the only straight talker in the bunch, Ron Paul.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but some major liar/hoodwinker is trying to get you to respond affirmatively to the talking points of his relentless clandestine agenda of eugenically-driven Fascism. (Upper-case "F", as in "now you're FUCKED".)

Although fed and clothed by his paymasters/true Masters, he does show a bit of individualistic creativity in order to accomplish his required distractions. I wonder if there's a little something extra in his pay envelope for that, or if it simply keeps him out of combat zones?

Another excellent adventure?
Yeah, baby.

"If Obama gets us involved in another imperialist war in the Middle East (THIS TIME AGAINST IRAN), I know I won't be voting for him..."

Really? He hasn't already fucked up enough other shit? He'll have to do this for you to not vote for him? Holly-fucking-shit...are you retarded?

"Hey Jude. I'm with you in regards to voting for Obama. But where is the alternative? "

Hey MORON how about a glass of orange juice as an alternative? Or a bottle of curdled milk? I could give you millions of alternatives, you fucking simpleton. Wake the fuck up.

he was percieved - Vlad

i before e except after c. - Missus

makes them sheep ripe for the plucking. - Vlad

and the chickens ripe for the shearing - Missus

idolizing Joe Paterno or Che or Castro or Mao or Ronald Reagan. - Vlad

Wow, now Joe Pa = Mao et al! - Missus

What the hay, it's all good at clusterfucknation.

Wage,
Monsanto probably just got the info on GMO Corn or Soy bean purchases from the local co-op where the farmers buy their seed. If they bought it one year and none the next year they are suspect. There were cases here in Michigan where farmers were busted and charges with using unlicensed GMO's. I haven't heard of it lately though. It says on the bag that saving and reusing is prohibited under penalty of law.

Also I checked out your blog. You've pretty much summed up how big agra works. Around here Conagra is the buyer and they set the price about .40 cents below the CBoT spot price.

I didn't let anyone farm my land last year. I have 2 offers for this year but I'm leaning more toward not. I think I'll just get back into gardening on a larger scale then what I used to do.

It's time to relearn how to be self sufficient again.

Phil

I could have been sucessful in the Advertising Industry - Vlad

but I'd have made a lousy lexicographer. - Missus

What the hay, this is just CFN.

"A lot of people believe that cars and trucks can be easily retrofitted. This is not true. A conversion to natural gas is expensive and complicated. Methane is highly explosive and rather unstable. It must be stored at 3000 psi. It tends to corrode things. Technically it is possible. You will pay several thousand dollars for no increase in efficiency, and a premium for the fuel, not to mention the cost of a fueling infrastructure. Good luck when the tank goes empty and you wish to fill a jerry can with a gallon."

Wrong. To convert to NG costs about 1200.00. Octane is 130 vs 93. Engines run much cleaner hence lower maintenance. There is over 6 million miles of NG lines in US. If one runs in front of your house, you could have a fill fitting installed in your garage. Existing gas stations could tap into lines running underneath their stations.

Cost of NG is currently 33% less then gasoline. You are a moron. That is all.

"Carter didn't need to do that as an ex-president. "

Yes he did. It was his penance for being such a shitty President.

Agreed. His best metaphor yet.

Rocky Anderson - what a name! Sounds like a fag - Vlad

He was a Scot who fought as a lightweight back in the 40s.

Gotta agree with you on that one, Asoka. I think that's where we're headed. Once the majority of us have incomes so tiny that our $$ will have zero impact on these massive wars we've set up to steal oil, the POTUS will have no more cash to murder Muslims....the horror of it all! ;)

Cost of NG is currently 33% less then gasoline. You are a moron. That is all. - Mrs B

Mrs B, how foolish to call someone a moron when you don't know the difference between then and than. That is all. - Missus

"Mrs B, how foolish to call someone a moron when you don't know the difference between then and than. "

I do know the difference, I made a mistake. YOU are a MORON. That is all.

You hit it on the head. There was a good book out about the WTC and it's falling down. It was written by Dennise Smith NYFD(ret) In the book he compared how when a plane crashes and kills a couple of hunderd people the government will spend a million dollars to piece the plane back together so as to figure out what failed. We had 2 major buildings collapse and the rubble was hauled off as quickly as possible with a minimal of inspection. Hmmmmmmm

You're right about where it might all be going.

I believe the best legal way to not support war, to not fund that with which you disagree, is to simplify your life and lower your income voluntarily to the point of not having to pay any taxes. - Asoka

Agreed, and if we all get on-board with your idea it would have the added benefit of crushing the economy, Wall Street, Social Security, Medicare and all the many good works of Big Government that you have listed for us in many previous posts. A thousand a month plus a mud hut for everyone sounds about right. - Missus

It's kind'a like looking at the news after watching Wag The Dog.

The masters of creating illusion can be found at www.rendongroup.com

Yes. Except that there were three major buildings that collapsed.

http://wtc7.net/

No one ever talks about the third one, because it was even more obviously a controlled demolition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv7BImVvEyk

On the tenth anniversary, TPTB shot 2 light beams into the air, in case any of the conditioning was wearing off.

But the 9-11 Truth movement pointed out that there should be three beams of light.

About the seed cleaners. Maybe. But I got the impression that their clients had been saving seeds for many years.

They suspect that Monsanto put GPS devices on their cars - Wage

Giving a verbal update to my boss on a particular investigation I was conducting, I began a sentence: "I suspect....." and he came down on my head like an anvil. He said I don't give a FUCK!! what you "suspect." Report back when you actually KNOW something.

Medicare and Social Security are funded separately from federal income taxes, and everyone pays those taxes, even the bottom 47%.

Oh, wait, not everyone. Any income over $106,000 doesn't get that flat 13% tax.

Only the poor are taxed fully for Social Security and Medicare.

If not for Nader the election wouldn't have been close enough to steal in the manner in which it was actually stolen. Of course I'm not begrudging Nader's right to run for president. Also, Nader didn't force the Bushes to steal the election.

Obama's stock and trade is hope - L

The expression is "stock in trade."

Are you supposed to be dead or something? You came back as a woman, a lousy fee male?

"If not for Nader the election wouldn't have been close enough to steal in the manner in which it was actually stolen." -the resident submariner-

Thanks, Marc, I was about to say something to that effect myself. Supporting a third party candidate is all well and good - in elections that are going to be a blow-out. But in close elections - - - not so much, IMO.

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Looks like the Georgia Republican primary will be close between Newton and Willard. And, as I posted last week, my inclination is to vote for Ron Paul.

But, what if my vote for Paul puts Mittens or The Amphibian over the top in GA, and then he wins the RP nomination and then beats Obama. It would all be my fault for "wasting my vote," right?
Or, at least one could argue that I could have prevented it, if I had NOT "wasted my vote."

I don't know. I'm just asking.
And, yeah, the framers of the Constitution would be DISGUSTED that so much power has been usurped by the Executive Branch to the point that the POTUS election has so much "importance.". And ALL of us should be disgusted at the emotional (and financial) capital being invested in the POTUS primary - when there are so many other political races and social dilemmas facing us locally and nationally.

The media loves "news," though.
So that's what we have.

"Any 'job creation' that might have occurred was sopped up by people coming in here from the third world. I think we're being played." -wsp-

Ding, Ding, DIng, DINg, DING!
Somebody ring the bell of truth for WSP!

a third carrier group is headed to the Straits of Hormuz - Gaz

Have you ever wondered why you sometimes read "Strait" and other times "Straits" when there is only one narrow passage way? There's the Strait (or Straits) of Hormuz, Gibraltar, Magellan, etc. and either way is considered acceptable. Apparently Straits is not the plural of Strait.

Also, the name of the Strait (or Straits), such as Hormuz, generally follows, rather than precedes, Strait(s), but not always. For example the Bering Strait(s). Why not the Hormuz Strait(s)? Why not the Strait(s) of Bering?

All of this aside the worst thing is to see these Straits written as Straights as though they were heterosexual.

Is anyone else in the world but me concerned with these inconsistencies of nomenclature?

Brilliant BJ.

The "yawning mouths" of IC engines almost outnumber us and will be fed for a while yet. Its really our highest priority.

Everyone pretends that its normal, but being propelled at 60mph wherever you want to go, up mountains and across rivers, in any weather, with built-in stereo, video and satellite web connection is a psychoactive ego power trip. All drivers are like kings and queens to the humble earth.

Look at the subcultures devoted to brand identity, horsepower, paint color and options. They get washed and polished, fluids replaced, fetishized and displayed (note heavy sex association). American men might have smaller cocks from all the plastic estrogens in the water and beer but at least they can still go fast, look desperately childish and make a lot of noise.

Bicycles get better mileage but don't have the perks. They also don't puke asbestos dust, carbon dioxide and and a variety of other carcinogens into the atmosphere.

This is why Americans will go APESHIT when they are immobilized by much higher priced/unavailable gas. It affects more than utility, it impacts the ego that is now so invested in their customized womb-like magic flying carpets.

So OK go ahead, attack Iran, whatever, just keep that fabulous juice flowing cause I'm not sure what else could take its place. Growing vegetables, chopping wood and carrying water don't seem as exciting.

Yes I am also concerned about the subtlies (sp?)of the English language and would enjoy being personally corrected by you in a saucy outfit.

Looking at some of the leftist cretins that regularly shoot their mouths off on the issue here, it certainly seems like it was in their minds, 'hating whitey', that is.

For them it's really more hating the lower classes of whites, not wine sipping vegetarian schmucks.

For my money though, I have lost whatever hope I once had that some of the batshit crazy irresponsible things that have been done will ever be re thought among the jerks that did them. And this isn't just the left either. Most of the idiots who wanted the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are still there cherleading for another one with Iran. The dickheads who wanted 'free trade' are still in place lying about it. The global climate change is just a commie plot asshholes are still going around spouting their nonsense.

Have the Birthers given up, don't let facts and common sense stand in the way of a half assed theory.

That should be the motto of the 21th century.

"Looking at some of the leftist cretins that regularly shoot their mouths off on the issue here, it certainly seems like it was in their minds, 'hating whitey', that is."
OR:
Looking at some of the RIGHTWING cretins that regularly shoot their mouths off on the issue here, it certainly seems like it was in their minds, 'hating whitey', that is.
"For them it's really more hating the lower classes of whites, not wine sipping vegetarian schmucks."
hMMM... No change really needed here....

"Its ALL good"

HAVANICEDAYNOWYAHEAR
;)

would enjoy being personally corrected by you in a saucy outfit. - Azgog

oooh stop (teehee) you big flirt; and would it be you or me that's in the saucy outfit? - Mis

Yes I am also concerned about the subtlies (sp?)of the English language - Az

In addition to what other concerns? ......or did you mean "Yes, I, also, am concerned..etc.?" And BTW, it's subtleties. - Mis

"but this time the lawlessness will manifest as it should have (think Hamptons) and justice will finally be done"

If you're waiting for folks to go to killing each other, you won't have long to wait. As to your statement that "justice will finally be done" I completely agree, with heavy emphasis on FINALLY, as in like on Judgment Day.

"it'll be driven by a Chinese, and he WON"T be delivering anything to an emergency room. It'll be straight to the ash pile of history."

Sends cold chills through you just thinking about it. Although I wouldn't want any Mexicans or Russians driving the thing either....can't really think of any kindly overlords out there, can you?

"My gods' penis is bigger then your god's penis!!!"

Can't speak for your god, but mine wouldn't need a penis and if he did he could make it as big as he wanted to.

"What else can explain the barking madness on display like a freak show gone bad."

The demise of the Twinkie, maybe?

RELIGION IS LIKE A PENIS
Is good to have one...
It's fine to be proud of it...
But please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around...
And PLEASE don't shove it down the children's throats...

Vlad knew all about it, even the name of the fellow funding its pro immigrant stance.

And:
Muslim inbreeding is causing a massive surge in birth defects:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-513388/Minister-Muslim-inbreeding-Britain-causing-massive-surge-birth-defects.html

Phil Woolas, an environment minister, said the culture of arranged marriages between first cousins was the “elephant in the room”. Woolas, a former race relations minister, said: “If you have a child with your cousin the likelihood is there’ll be a genetic problem.” The minister, whose views were supported by medical experts this weekend, said: “The issue we need to debate is first cousin marriages, whereby a lot of arranged marriages are with first cousins, and that produces lots of genetic problems in terms of disability [in children].” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3342040.ece

MizzQuiche said "Is anyone else in the world but me concerned with these inconsistencies of nomenclature?"

There is! We'll set you two up on a date, post-haste.

Headless (nice nick) said "I wish someone would kill someone so we can get the God damned inevitable show on the road; it is coming; it is going to be violent; it is going to leave those who survive with the kind of hope that they might have had when they were duped into voting for Obama, but this time the lawlessness will manifest as it should have (think Hamptons) and justice will finally be done"

I don't think so, bro. First, Americans aren't capable of walking. Instead of 'dine out' mos twill probably 'eat in', devouring the relatives.

After the pets of course.

John L, I have posted extensively on thorium on CFN.

BTW, you have just committed a sin on this forum.

CFN does not allow for any hint of a techno-miracle because that puts a harsh on the doomster fantasies.

Repeat the CFN catechism: "We are so fucked!"

No hint of solutions are admitted. Continue in that vein and they will hit you with "the laws of physics" (classical Newtonian, not quantum) or quotes from Malthus or Hobbes.

CFN uniformly believes the "laws of physics" guarantee our doom.

We MUST keep Obama out of office. - DGMoocher

This^ seems to be the near-universal sentiment here at CFN. Personally, I care little either way since no matter who gets in it will be a continuation of Big Government which I detest. But just so you can scratch the election's outcome off your list of daily concerns let me assure you Obama will be returned to office for four more years.

How do I know this? The same way I knew in early February 2008 that Obama would beat Hillary to win the Democratic nod and then the election itself nine months later. I even emailed my brother in FL at the time and informed him with great certainty of my epiphany.

I had seen a memorable picture in the NY Times. Obama had just delivered an ordinary political speech somewhere on the campaign trail and then stepped into the crowd to press some flesh. Those captured in the photo with Obama were mostly women and their faces - "to a man" - were rapturous regardless of race, color, creed or national origin. There is a huge difference between rapture and merely a big smile.

Two days ago I saw a similar (current) photo taken in virtually identical circumstances as the 2008 shot. Visible were three young women and Obama. The faces of the women reminded me of a photo I once saw of the three girls at Fatima in Portugal who were looking heavenward and allegedly seeing the Virgin Mary. I have never seen looks of rapture quite like it but the young women with Obama came close. Remember, roughly half the voters will be women. Sorry to have to break it to ya'll, especially Vlad, but Obama is a shoo-in.

Now, Asoka has been running one of his diversionary I-am-large-I-contain-multitudes dodges recently, supporting Green candidate Jill Stein who (whom?) both he and I know will draw fewer votes than K-Dog. Take it from me, Asoka will be ecstatic when Obama wins despite only one drop of his blood out of two being black.

Nation of origins act, is that the right term...
that was removed in 1965 and the floodgates opened.

Yes Bj that changed things fundamentally.

Did Monsanto buy Blackwater?

Yes but

DEE............before you call me a tale bearer
'Um, unless he was pure Mayan, lived in a hidden valley and never came out, this is impossible.

EVERYONE here learns Spanish. There is no way a non Spanish speaker would even be able to get to the US without knowing some Spanish.

So this is just an 'urban legend''

LAPD: Cop Who Killed Manuel Jamines Acted Within the Law ...
colorlines.com/.../lapd_cop_who_killed_immigrant_acted_within_th...
A memorial is set up following the fatal shooting of Manuel Jamines. ... a 37-year-old Guatemalan father of three, ... Spanish or English commands to drop the weapon, because he spoke neither. ...

Me thinks yr a bit arrogant dear Dee!

Are you Q?

'were rapturous regardless of race, color, creed or national origin. There is a huge difference between rapture and merely a big smile.'
In a word, pitiful.

Obama, the pushover, bend-over-backwards pawn.

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If Obama was such a pawn, he would have signed the XL pipeline deal like the industry wanted. He just said no.

There are lots of legitimate reasons to criticize Obama, but when he refuses to sign on with the oil industry I give him credit for refusing to sign on with the oil industry. Pawn he was not. Pushover he was not. He did not bend over backward. You lose credibility Ixnomor when you confuse yes with no.

despite only one drop of his blood out of two being black.

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So I'm only 50% Black?

Believe me, in this country that makes you Black.

How do I know this? The same way I knew in early February 2008 that Obama would beat Hillary

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And you probably know a liberal pro-gun control, pro-abortion, pro-socialized medicine vulture capitalist Mormon will become the Republican candidate, right? Right.

Since your vote isn't a wager you should vote for the best candidate, even if they have no chance of getting elected that time. On the other hand, when you're betting on sports, you of course should go with the most likely winner, that is if you wish to win the bet.

My take on whether or not we are "doomed", brought up by Asoka, is that if we are in fact doomed it is because of our asinine political system, and not because there is no more energy. So if JHK really does believe that it is completely impossible to adapt to declining fossil fuel supplies, then he is missing the point. The fact is, with today's construction methods, when we heat our houses we are also heating the great outdoors, and that of course is unsustainable. It is also unrealistic to insist that present arrangements cannot be improved upon, or that reactors will never run on alternate fuels such as thorium. It is also myopic to insist that there could be no eventual recovery from any impending collapse of civilization, much as if any dark age must be permanent.

Neverheless, we are so fucked up politically that doom is a real possibility. For one thing, we don't really have majority rule since we don't have a prime minister chosen from the majority party who must also get elected each time by his own home constituency. Of course other countries with such a system are frequently FUBAR, so nothing is perfect. We however seem to be in a state of permanent stalemate.

Mr selective - what is capitalism? Destroying every last thing in sight, and *MAKING SURE* nothing comes back in its place. What is socialism/communism? Bwahhaaahahaaah! T'was fun, Mr-*UNDER THE RADAR* tax-less (man)...

What is capitalism? Privatized health "care"

What is socialism/communism? Medicare/VA

Medicare and VA are socialistic and actually work. The inclusive pool has power and is more efficient (3% overhead costs).

The capitalistic privatized model goes out of its way to deny claims, and continually raises prices, for the sake of private profit. (17% overhead)

"Big government" health care: 3% overhead

Privatized health "care" : 17% overhead

Big government is more efficient.

Ron Paul has enjoyed the benefits of government health care all the years he has been a Republican congressman.

Not once has he refused his big government health care benefits. Ron Paul has a Blue Cross Blue Shield health insurance plan paid for through his employer (the federal government) ... wait, I mean Ron Paul has a health care plan paid for by the taxpayers.

Of course, there are members of congress with integrity who talk the talk and walk the walk:

Rep-elect Joe Walsh (R-IL) told the New York Times that he will stick to his Tea Party roots and decline the government health care provided to members of congress.

Ron Paul is not one with such integrity. Ron Paul is an evangelical Christian Republican life-long politician who does not act on his on principles.

Mr-*UNDER THE RADAR* tax-less (man)...

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Wrong. I'm not "under the radar"

I'm open, public, and loud about one's options to live more simply and thereby LEGALLY owe no federal income taxes. (I pay lots of other kinds of taxes.)

http://nwtrcc.org/practical5.php

Note to Q.:
I love my mud hut!

as soon as I saw W. on the ticket for the Republican primaries and that there was big money behind him, I thought, we're going back to finish the job in Iraq and get rid of Saddam.

And you were right!

So, what's on tap for Obama's second term? Any predictions about what the elite want him to do?

Obama has used more drone attacks and killed more terrorists in three years than Bush did in eight.

Obama has deported more immigrants in three years than Bush did in eight.

Obama has already been the best Republican president we've had since Eisenhower.

Are you kidding me? You won't vote for Ron Paul because maybe that would make Rommey win, and then maybe Rommey would win in November, and then, ????

What would be the big change if the Republican Wall Street candidate replaced the Democrat Wall Street President?

You truly amaze me, Prog.

Vote for Ron Paul, for pete's sake. Quit living in fear.

Seriously? You seriously think that there are progressives here who hate white people SO much that they are willing to watch their entire country be destroyed, just in the hope that white people will go down at some point?

Have you not noticed that the black people went down first?

Have you not noticed that a whole lot of brown people have been killed since 1965?

Are you really that clueless?

Again, you and newworld set up imaginary straw men so that you can feel persecuted and self-righteous that your imaginary enemies are picking on you.

It's really pathetic.

Whoa! That is really, really bad.

I just got a chance to look at your link.

While the puppeteers had us looking at Judy, writing letters and posting on the internet,
we got Punched out.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/01/25-3

Note that Monsanto is involved.

Obama has killed far more people with drones than Bush did, you got that right.

But were they all terrorists? You know damn well they weren't.

Were any of them terrorists? Even that is in question.

But since Obama reserves the right to kill anyone with charge or trial, we'll never know.

The US no longer even pretends to care about its victims. "We don't do body counts".

WTC- there's been a lot of theroies about how these buildings came to fail. I didn't read the book, I just saw the book review on BookTV that airs on C-Span. He brought up a lot of interesting things about the WTC. Like one being that it was exempt from NYC's strict building codes thus saving bucu $$$. It was built under the Port Authority's realm and thus neither NYFD or the NYC Building Inspecters could not inspect the Structural framework or the fire proofing which had 2 contractors. Curious point is that the final contractor "committed suicide" when it looked like he may be questioned about the fireproof coating failing to do it's job. JP 5 only burns so hot. Then there is the claim of THERMITE traces being found everywhere in the dust. As bad as it was you would think that the buildings would not have collapsed like they did. I would've thought they would've been strong enough. A true but unrelated factoid is that many years after the fact is has been found by analizing the rivits from the Titanic that they were not to the spec's of the print. I know it's hard to believe but that a supplier would cut his cost by sahving some from the spec to boost his bottom line. Quite possible something similar happened at the WTC. They sure didn't waste anytime getting rid of the building materials.

On the seed thing. Saving seeds is a common practice for farmers. However with the introduction of GMO seed it's now against the law. You can look at stuff like that by going to your states Farm Bureau web site. There you can find the push of the Agra lobby. FB and Beverage Control are 2 of the most powerful lobbies up in Lansing and probably the same down in Springfield. They and the Insurance lobby are the ones that have declared war on the deer populations nationwide. Our deer herd here in MI is way down compared to 15 or 20 years ago. And this with less hunters !

So I'm only 50% Black? - Asoka

I had no sooner clicked on Submit than I realized the possibility the drops of blood sentence could be misconstrued as referring to you ..... but, no, I was of course referring to Obama.

One thing I don't get. Why didn't Al Bore demand a recount of the whole state of Florida? My recollection is that he wanted a recount of only certain districts. Why only certain districts?

Anyway, I hold Bore responsible for the loss. He should've won hands down. He had the advantage of being VP, the economy was good and Dubya was a drunk and a goof.

There's another school of thought out there and that is that in reality the election was a tie in terms of the popular vote. With more than 100 million votes being cast you could recount all the votes in the entire country ten times and with the errors inherent in any voting system (assuming the vote was clean) and with such a huge country you would get ten different results with Dubya winning some of the recounts and Bore winning others.

But maybe it wouldn't have made any difference in the end.

Manners please, Wage, not necessary to be condescending. Read more carefully. Do you really believe that any health care bill would have passed if it included abortion? If we could garner the activism that the forced-pregnancy crowd attracts, then we could have sailed through with abortion on demand and paid for. We have the numbers, as no matter what they try to do it's STILL legal. I also support Single Payer and am working for that as well. It's two pronged, Wage, try to hang on to what we have and take it to the next step. And the next step must involve real activism, not hoping for any politician to fight the corporate world.

As you said, in any other "accident" there is no expense spared to find out the cause. It should raise every American's suspicions that there was no investigation about 9-11.

The attack on farmers was part of my talk on Monsanto. Did you read the link that I reposted? The power of the corporations on our "elected" officials is amazing.

It is a fact that Gore won the popular vote throughout the US, but because of our electoral system, it came down to Florida's electoral votes.

Jeb Bush and his Sec. of State, Katerine Harris, threw 80,000 black men off the voting rolls before the election.

But the recount showed that Gore STILL won in Florida. Unfortunately, the recount wasn't finished until Sept. 2001.

Gore fought harder than Kerry did, in 2004. Kerry conceded before the votes were even counted in Ohio!

Still, it makes no difference to us peons which faction gets to sit in office and rake in the money.

I wasn't being condescending. That was a reference to George Carlin's American Dream gig. It was a joke.

I don't think that Obamacare is a step forward, U think it's a step backwards. And I think that losing abortion rights is a tragedy, even if a Democrat does it.

So we disagree.

That is, I think, not you think. Whoops.

I'm never really sure whether you pinheads are serious or just want to start another donkey dicking argument that never ends.

Any idea at all as to the odds of white people being killed by black criminals as opposed to the other way around? Or just don't care? As long as they're crackers

So who was it that flew those planes into the towers and the pentagon?

Asoka said "John L, I have posted extensively on thorium on CFN.

CFN does not allow for any hint of a techno-miracle because that puts a harsh on the doomster fantasies."

Straw, man. The clusterfuck thesis is not that there are not solutions, but despite the fact, none will be implemented in time. Solutions and alternatives exist! Solar! Wind! Thorium! Conservation, rational action, urban planning... All wonderful, even Pom-wonderful.

When will the solutions be implemented?

When will the alternatives be optioned?

I don't fantasize about doom. Its much too real and I'm going to be the old man everyone looks to for some responsible commentary. I'm going to tell them that 20th century people were full of shit, up to their eyeballs. Then I'm going to order one of my underlings to carve the heart out of a blue-painted slave, hack his head off and send it tumbling down the pyramid steps.

We don't really disagree--we might just have different tactics. Even the small potatoes pols that I labor under sell out to the highest small town, clodhopper bidders. Evey time. That's why I have hopes for the growing numbers of Occupy.
Cheers.

She said last week: Blacks are taught to love hateful Whites and forgive them no matter how mean they are. Just the way she put it, "mean Whites" showed how immersed in childish Marxist doggerel she is.

Wage: Blacks kill and rape at 7 to 8 times the rate of Whites. Not 7 or 8 percent higher - 7 or 8 TIMES the White Rate. Why do you think no supermarkets want to open up in Black areas? Besides the violence, the level of theft is thru the roof.

The old Southern viewpoint about Blacks was more or less correct. The modern Liberal and Conservative views are cant and dogma. This doesn't justify slavery of course but it sure does invalide forced integration of schools, housing, affirmative action etc.

And I think that losing abortion rights is a tragedy
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Lawrence "Liberal Larry" Chomstein sum it up best:

It's Official: Republicans Hate Sex

Rejoice, rejoice, rejoice! Bush is out, Obama is in, and a rightfully Democratic Congress is poised to pass a comprehensive stimulus package that will pull us out of the Great Depression II and put the Bush years behind us once and for all! It's as if the entire world has wheezed a sigh of relief. For the first time in my life, I am proud of my country.

But when I woke up this morning, the Repugs had already ruined it for me. It appears that the few remaining neocons in Congress have scuttled a key provision of the stimulus package that would've provided free contraception for ordinary Americans.

WHAT IN THE NAME OF GODDESS IS THEIR PROBLEM? WE WON THE ELECTION, DAMMIT, NOT THEM! AMERICANS VOTED UNANIMOUSLY FOR CHANGE LAST NOVEMBER, SO REPUBLICANS NEED TO EITHER STOP OBSTRUCTING OBAMA AND OBEY HIM, OR JUST SIT DOWN, SHUT UP, AND LET DEMOCRATS FIX THE MESS BUSH MADE!

And if there's one thing that can jump start an ailing economy, it's FREE RUBBERS!

Think about it. You lost your job. They've foreclosed on your home. You have nothing left in your pockets but a couple bucks and a handful of condoms. So you go downtown and pick up a 2-dollar whore to help you forget your troubles. The hooker gives your money to her pimp, who uses it to buy some bling at the pawn shop. The pawnbroker spends his money on some more expensive hookers, who are freelancing to pay their tuition at Berkeley. Their Gender Studies professym makes a downpayment on a new hybrid car. The car dealership buys more hyrids from the manufacturer to meet the rising demand. Autoworkers get a little extra in their paychecks. Once you subtract taxes and union dues, they have just enough left to go downtown a pick up a 2-dollar whore. The cycle begins anew.

Trickle-down Reaganomics are a failed philosophy, as the current state of our economy has shown. Trickle-UP economics will be the way of our Brave New World, but it won't work if Republicans don't get over their hang-ups about sex.

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http://blamebush.typepad.com/blamebush
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Did you make that up yoursef?

Purt damn funny, and true to boot!

Nice Marc. For most people, voting is just sports betting. They can't stand to be on the losing side, so they don't vote their as their conscience dictates. So change become impossible since the status quo is always the better bet. Needless to say, such people don't deserve to vote.

I've read varying accounts from various sources that said that depending on the method used you get different outcomes. I don't know how much to trust what I've read.

My question is how corrupt was the vote was in other states? Maybe Gore should have won by a much wider margin. Or maybe not. The facts are or may be out there. Or maybe the facts have been suppressed/destroyed.

Yes Liberal Whites enjoy beating themselves up a bit, but it's also a bonding mechanism, a tribal ritual among Liberal Whites. They don't want to get beat up by Blacks or be replaced in favor of Blacks. Those delights they save for "other Whites". You see the Old Jews had a ritual were they would put all their sins on a goat and then kill it or drive it out. Thus the scapegoat. And the joy Liberal Whites get from humiliating and destroying other Whites (outside the Tribe) is breath taking. These are their scape goats, their vicarious sacrafice to the gods. And if the Blacks attack, rape, or kill some of these lower Whites, well that's just dandy too. They're more than welcome since they are sacred and ordinary Whites are just animals to be sacraficed.

Political Correctness is a religion of Human Sacrafice.

Why not just spell it Str8 as per your new identity? Str8 but not narrow? You and Rocky better have a girl fight about it.

Unemployment in Albama is way down - the new anti illegal immigrant legislation is working wonders. That's how to solve the unemployment problem - just make this legislation uniform through out the United States and the Beaner Criminals will scurry back to where they came from.

So Blacks have the right to murder and rape Whites then? Because of Karma? No such thing as individual rights with Asoka - everything is class and race paybacks. Can everyone see how utterly alien this person is? How he doesn't belong here and never did? And now realize that most Blacks think exactly as Asoka does and you have the problem in a nutshell.

What is to be done? Separate as Jefferson said, separate before the gene pool is ruined. Beyond the ocean was the best but we already screwed that up. Evidently the Secret Brotherhoods and Commercial interests were already too strong to continue the work of repatriation that Lincoln began.

Karma. You reap what you sow, and Whites sowed murder and mayhem in the South through pure terrorism. - Asoka

You say; "you" reap what "you" sow. Who exactly are you pointing the finger at when you say "you reap" and "you sow".

Tell us upon whose head does retribution fall and on what basis?

Are you saying that it is simple justice ie a violent act committed against a white person today in payment for a violent act committed by another white person in the past?

You are indicating that when evil is done to an individual ie rape or murder - it is "karma" in action.

Correct?

So none of the lynched Blacks were guilty of the crimes of rape and murder attributed to them? I find that hard to believe considering the way Blacks behave now.

In the space of a hundred years, about 3000 Blacks were lynched - fewer than the number of Whites Blacks kill every year in America now.

Whites were lynched too, but that's not talked about since that Truth would lessen the impact the "Educators" are trying to effect.

The very high levels of rape and murder are also in Black Africa where there are no Whites. It's just what Blacks do. If there are Whites around, they will be targeted more though.

Once again you set up a strawman. I never said that I thought that murder was OK as long as it was crackers being murdered. That is absurd.

I am consistently against murder. You have never seen me post in favor of murder.

And black vs white crime rates were not what you posted on. You posted on the immigration bill of 1965.

Blacks were already here. Would it be politically incorrect for me to point out how they got here?

Oooh, I don't even have to ask. That is forbidden speech, and anyone who speaks it gets attacked by you and your kind.

How the hell would I know? I'm a nurse in Illinois. How would I know what happened in New York and Washington, DC?

That's why we're supposed to have investigations. We have people who do investigations. That's their job.

They weren't allowed to do their job. I find that very suspicious, along with all the other suspicious things I've mentioned before.

Only about half as many Whites were lynched as Blacks back then. Evidently Blacks weren't as violent as they are now. Strong laws make people behave.

Btw, I'm not advocating this kind of vigilante justice: there must have been many innocent men, both Black and White, put to death by mistake. It started when Whites couldn't get justice in the South under the Union occupation. And Blacks were being allowed to run rampant. So yes, the Whites took matters into their own hands -as was their right. Was it an optimum solution or situation? No, but it was better than what had been going on. It should have ended when the Occupation ended though. But it had gained momentum and a foot hold in rural Southern Culture. Yes people get corrupted by things like that - enjoy watching blood sports and executions.

I don't presently but if my wife or daughter had been raped or murdered I'd want to be there and see it happen.

Thanks for trying, Wage! ;o)
I really do respect that. No joke.

Fuck you you sanctimonious liberal pig.

Well, you seem to have pretty good idea as to what 9/11 is and what it isn't so I thought I'd ask.

Yeah, I liked it too. I copied it and put it on Facebook.

Thanks, ozone.

But you did say Whites were "mean" and that Blacks are taught to love them anyway - which is of course, just not true.

Hey since we brought Black here and we're so mean and shit, can we just send them back? I mean they want to get away from us, right? Cuz we're so mean.

Sorry if I sounded rude.

I do have a pretty good idea what 9-11 isn't. It isn't what they're telling us.

And I have an idea what it is. It's a great excuse to invade and kill anybody they want to. Just like Obama blandly excusing the drone attacks by saying "we're killing alQuada and hardly any innocent people get blown up". Most people criticize him (and I agree with them) for saying that by pointing out that the families of the hundreds of innocent victims probably don't brush their deaths off so easily.

But I also know that alQuada was not responsible for the massive production that was 9-11. Nor are they responsible for the management of perception that has gone on since then.

And now we have the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, the Homegrown Terrorism Act and the latest National Defense Act with the legalization of indefinite detention for US citizens forever.

ALL of it justified by the 9-11 tragedy.

The incredible farce of it all was so illustrated by the attack on Libya. This was the only outrage that hasn't used alQuada since 9-11.

Why? Because they admittedly worked WITH alQuada members to destroy Libya!!!!

So how can how the destruction of civil liberties and the mass murders and the illegal invasions be justified when they turn around and openly ally with our supposed enemies in Libya?

Only in the United States of Fantasy can they get away with such outrages.

The White Guilt Syndrome allows for power sharing, and all the cults of the Left practice anti-White rhetoric, like a bonding ritual.

But I don't think it has much of a shelf life, we at BUGs have about neutralized "racist" and the whole anti-White movement.

Where America goes next after we whites figure out we no longer need fund the empire of equality is a darn good question and it is the only reason I read CF.

"Fuck you you sanctimonious liberal pig." Vlad

Fuck you, you sanctimonious racist pig.

See, that works too. Now go & SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Geeez, you are the biggest asshole here. Oh, wait,you got your new little asskisser newworld.

Every week, you turn the discussion to your racist bullshit.

Well, Fuck you, you sanctimonious racist pig.

Now go & SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

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Yeah Wage,
It's a little like a gravitational pull. You may not have a picture of what happened, but when you "follow the money", you get the idea.

Unless you're a priest ?

@capt. I cannot tell you who to vote for, but I will say you should vote your conscience.
Holding your nose and choosing the lesser of two evils is what perpetuates the broken two party system.
Vote Green party, Libertarian, write in Nader or Mickey mouse... But don't lend your support to those who you know will do nothing more than support the status Quo.

As for third parties; In 2008 we only had a turn out of about 56% of the voting age population. I doubt it will be that high this time around as even die hard party hacks are having a hard time getting pumped up over another 4 years of O. and the republican field is anything but inspiring.
But even at 56% it would only take 19% or about 44 million votes to have a majority.

"Karma. You reap what you sow, and Whites sowed murder and mayhem in the South through pure terrorism." -asoka.-

Wow. Just wow. Asoka. excuses all violence against whites, now and forevermore, since they deserve it due to karma.

Ozone, Vlad comes up with some negative and hate filled stuff - but never does he excuse pure random racial violence because of "karma."

Hate on this blog is represented by asoka., everyone else is a minor player compared to him.
He speaks eloquently for "persons of color" who will NEVER be satisfied. And one reason that they will never be satisfied is that persons such as asoka., who should have the intelligence to know better - instead make excuses and fan the flames of hate.

Writ large across America - this is the tragedy of the black underclass, and this is why things are getting worse - or certainly not better.
(that, and lost employment opportunities for the black underclass due to immigration, of course)

Naturally, there's a Fred for this:
http://www.fredoneverything.net/LondonRiots.shtml
"I am not being cruel. I am describing a condition, the normal, usual, unexceptional condition of Amreican blacks of the urban slums.

Of history, the kid knows only that blacks were enslaved by whites. He cannot approximate the dates of the Civil War (as neither, astoundingly, can many white “college graduates”) and cannot name a single country in Africa, but he knows that blacks were stolen from their homes and very badly treated.

He has in all likelihood never been out of Detroit, or perhaps his neighborhood. He has no contact with the larger society except through the police and television, where he sees whites leading glamorous lives in a wide world beyond his grasp. He would be very uncomfortable in a small town in white America, having less familiarity with the culture that would an American in a small town in Italy. Further, he speaks something so far from standard English that he would have difficulty talking to most whites." -fred reed on everything-

"we at BUGs have about neutralized "racist" and the whole anti-White movement."
-newworld-

What is "BUGs?"

Vlad - Unemployment is down in Georgia, also - since we passed a bill similar to Arizona and Alabama. And some ridiculously overcrowded trailer parks and apartment complexes around here and now back to normal occupancy levels.

I feel sorry for the illegals - most of them never would have taken the risk to enter the country if they had known the downside of it. I hope most of the illegals in Georgia have gone back home to Mexico and points south. I would have. Knowing human nature, though, many of them have likely gone to States and cities that have a reputation more as "sanctuaries," even though "sanctuary" is an unsustainable concept, going forward forever in time.

So - not a bad post, Vlad, except for the concluding sentence that takes you into pointless hate and bigotry:

"Beaner Criminals will scurry back to where they came from." -vlad-

"Beaner." "Criminals." "Scurry."
That's visible hate and fear talking, Vlad.
Why do you do this?
It doesn't help your case.

It's not bullshit because the races aren't equal. You can say it and believe it - fine. But trying to enforce it by Law? Penalizing Whites and putting coloreds ahead of them - that's equal? And why don't YOU have a problem with Asoka and his little ideas about "karma" and giving Blacks a permanent pass on everything? What the Hell is wrong with you - besides being a hate filled Liberal Dunce that is?

They have wreaked utter carnage here. Have you no heart for the countless Whites kept of off work, the countless vitims of their drunk driving, all the raped little girls etc? Yes along with hard workers a gigantic brigade of criminals and gang bangers have come in too.

What's the point? Human attention and compassion are limited resources. Why do you think the Jews covet the term "Holocaust" even though there have been far larger massacres? They want all the sympathy we have you see. So who gets the bulk of it? Why your own People, Prog, your own People. If you have any that is. Once we're taken care of, you can drop a dollar in the box at church for the foreign missions.

Your favorite saying lately: Vlad comes up with some pretty hateful stuff. What do you mean "comes up with"? Like I imagined it? Sure Prog, just like all Founding Fathers who also imagined that Whites were special. Sheesh.

They are criminals btw. Beaner and scurry we're unnecessary but I do get carried away. Ozone is a very bad character - PC Incarnate. His hatred elicited mine and then I got in a bad mood.

Many of these Black kids had no Father and have never been to a wedding and don't know anyone who is married. But they're perfect and we should copy their model. It's happening. The Asoka's wont stop until Blacks don't have to work at all but all get a stipend just for being alive. And of course it will be very small by necessity so it wont satisfy them but only insult them.

"What would be the big change if the Republican Wall Street candidate replaced the Democrat Wall Street President?
You truly amaze me, Prog.
Vote for Ron Paul, for pete's sake. Quit living in fear." -wage, laboring-

Steady there, Wage. I was just presenting hypotheticals to get at the importance of something we Americans are told from birth is sacred - that being our ONE vote.

I'll vote for Ron Paul, because Georgia is not a winner-take-all primary state. Hopefully Paul will pick up a delegate or two in Georgia - and he can do some good negotiating with these delegates.

And BHMarc makes a nice analogy - that voting is not a sporting event. You may be right, Marc, that some percentage of people look at voting that way - and want to back a "winner." But I think (hope) there's more to it than that for most folks.

Committed Republicans are getting to the point in this election cycle that they just want somebody who they think can BEAT OBAMA. That is ( coupled with ad spending) why Paul is falling behind and Newt/Mittens are having such a horse race right now.

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Because of the Electoral College, one vote for POTUS is rarely if ever important. Certainly not in Georgia, for certain - Mitt/Newt/Paul, or a dead guy with a R on his casket - any of these will get the winner-take-all Electoral College results in Georgia in the general election.

It's a little deflating.
Plus, we almost never get to see any of those cool ads in the general election for POTUS.

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And if Nader had not been on the ballot in Florida, Gore would have been POTUS. We'll never know if 9/11 would have happened - I've seen a case made that it would not have.

We would not have gone into Iraq (cause Gore's daddy wasn't threatened by Saddam) and we would not be quite as FUBARED by a Gore presidency as we were by two BushII terms.

The emphasis on Presidential politics, the two-party system, and the Electoral College system are going to make it impossible for a third party candidate to ever be anything more than a "spoiler."

We may not like. But these are the facts.

Well, prog, I read your link. I found it pretty ridiculous.

Some white guy in Mexico is going to lecture people here about black people in Detroit? Because WE don't know any of them?

And I loved the part where he snootily opined that those dumb black kids couldn't explain the exchange rate. Hey, Prog! Why don't you go ahead and explain it.

And then he announces that blacks are violent, but whites aren't and the very next statement is about militias in Idaho? Ready to kill?

You're putting yourself in some pretty illiterate company, with newworld and juletta and all. Sure, you try to limit yourself to Vlad, but he hangs with the stupid people.

Small time looters are nothing compared to the big boys. Here's a short clip of Max Keiser's take on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7BBw251Ymw

I hope that you watch it, prog, because you're turning to the dark side. And first thing you know, you're hunting with Cheney.

Um, you can speculate all you want, but after 3 years of a Democratic president, I would think that you would have learned something.

You are making unfounded assertions here. We don't know if Bush would have been able to steal the election if Ralph Nader wasn't on the ballot.

You can't just assert that as fact.

We don't know if 9-11 would have happened. I think it would have, because I think that the shadow government doesn't give a hoot who's in office.

We don't know if Gore would have gone into Iraq. You can't possibly think that the US invaded Iraq because George HW was supposedly threatened by Saddam! (And that is disputed, by the way)

But we do know that Clinton bombed Iraq and starved their children. We do know that Clinton bombed Yugoslavia. We do know that Gore sabotaged the Kyoto negotiations. We do know that Obama has killed far more people with drones than Bush did. We do know that Obama has attacked people in multiple countries and killed them. We do know that Obama waged an illegal war against Libya.

So you have no logical basis for declaring that a Republican president would be so much worse.

So your fear mongering "spoiler" argument means nothing to someone who sees clearly, not through democrat blinders.

Prog,

I read Asoka's comments and I just don't see him as an 'apologist' or as one condoning violence in the name of generalized retribution. I see his comment as more a statement of fact ,i.e., when a group of people are victimized their retributive response will also be of a general and not specific nature. In fact, that's pretty much the strategy of all wars, generally demonize a large group of individuals so that killing them is more palatable and justified. I mean, you don't really think that brick was meant for Reginald Denny's head just because he was Reginald Denny?

And surely you don't believe rampaging U.S servicemen were grinding a personal ax against individual Mexicans back in the 1940s:

"Marching through the streets of downtown Los Angeles, a mob of several thousand soldiers, sailors, and civilians, proceeded to beat up every zoot suiter they could find. Pushing its way into the important motion picture theaters, the mob ordered the management to turn on the house lights and then ran up and down the aisles dragging Mexicans out of their seats. Streetcars were halted while Mexicans, and some Filipinos and Negroes, were jerked from their seats, pushed into the streets and beaten with a sadistic frenzy."

It's human nature, Prog; not an Asoka apology.

"They are criminals btw. Beaner and scurry we're unnecessary but I do get carried away." -vlad-

OK, Vlad, good. That was my main point, besides complementing you on a good post otherwise.

"Ozone is a very bad character - PC Incarnate. His hatred elicited mine and then I got in a bad mood."
-vlad-

Ozone admits to being a unique character - uber prepared for collapse tomorrow, and therefore completely unconcerned about immigration or racial issues. I can understand where he's coming from, even though I think we've got a 20+/- year timeline to collapse, which means that immigration and racial issues will eventually matter a great deal.

Ozone hates you because this blog does go over to hateful racial tit-for-tat almost every single week - and he blames you for this.

I agree with you and JHK that racial issues will be an important part of TLE, whether it occurs in two months or in two decades.

I just wish you would lose the hate, fear, and bigotry - because you are undercutting your own case.

And hateful, fearful bigots - much like you often appear to be, Vlad - are similarly undercutting the case for immigration reduction out in the real world, apart from CFN, where non-hateful, non-fearful and non-bigoted people need to make this reduction happen.

Thanks, lbendet. Sometimes I plagarize their clever phrases on my radio show.

Wait until Disney starts patenting catch phrases!

"Some white guy in Mexico is going to lecture people here about black people in Detroit? Because WE don't know any of them?"
-wage-

Wage, that "white guy in Mexico" was a news reporter in big cities in the States back when being a reporter meant something.

And if you don't think the inner city black underclass is in bad shape - and getting slowly worse, then this conversation is pointless.

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I may be going over to the dark side. I've seen some good Max Keiser stuff, but that link of yours just now could be summarized as, "It's wrong to prosecute rioters, robbers, and looters who beat people on the streets of London, because - - - - well, because Bankers STEAL things.
It's a non sequiteur.

1 in 3 or 4 Haitians are already here.
A friend in Miami says they have ruined Miami.

Africa is NUTS! So much violence. So much racism.
Vlad...can you post links to African atrocities?

Dee, you have degenerated into a flamer fanning the flame war here.

"So your fear mongering "spoiler" argument means nothing to someone who sees clearly, not through democrat blinders." -wage-

Wage, I'm making a pure statement of fact.
Because of the two-party system and the Electoral College - a third party presidential candidate can never be anything more than a spoiler.

Your argument seems to boil down to an idea that if Jill Stein throws the election to Mitt Romney instead of Obama - that that's OK because Romney and Obama are interchangable.

Disagree. One will be much worse.

'From many accounts, illegal immigration has already slowed, with the collapse of the economy and real estate development'
MAYBE BUT
Do you have honest figs, not Govt or Corp media on:
how many anchors a year?
how many illegals? [40 million?]
how many kids immigrants have a year, etc?

IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY WHATS THE ONE HOLIDAY NOT CELEBRATED?

No, the link pointed out that the really big looters go unpunished. Actually, they go rewarded. The petty thieves are harshly treated and imprisoned.

You can't see this? You're so wrapped up in your anti-immigrant and now, anti-ghetto teenager, that you can't see that the raping of the public by the bankers, and the open lawlessness of the 1% leads to widespread disregard for the law?

Then maybe this conversation is pointless.

Marlin welcomed you to the dark side.

Bye, bye.

'We do know that Clinton bombed Yugoslavia.'
The largest post WW2 permanent base was set up there.
At least as of 10 years ago.

What do you call some of that stuff Dee Jones says on here, working for the Peace Corps?

Do you have to be a white separatist to be hateful?

The left sits on here and says they mean well and love everybody, it didn't look that way to me.

They say they did nothing to the white working classes, it just all paranoia, how about forced integration at the end of a gun? How about affirmative action? How about quotas? How about block busting? Jimbo likes to talk about the destruction of big city life, well, this is one of the things that ruined it. How about turning the country of their youth into a banana republic through uncontrolled immigration.

How about gun control, it's always the leftist big city douche bags that want it.

They act like these things never existed, and every working guy is nuts because they don't worship at the teat of the liberal establishment.

Now, I don't think the Republicans are any better, but for the left to say they did nothing to white working people makes about as much sense as the Republicans saying the rich shouldn't have to pay taxes, they create jobs and stuff.

"I mean, you don't really think that brick was meant for Reginald Denny's head just because he was Reginald Denny?" -buckstud-

Reginald Denney was a completely innocent person at the wrong place at the wrong time. Sounds like you are saying he deserved his beating because the cops beat Rodney King after a long and dangerous high speed chase.

What iff Rodney King had just stopped his goddam' car like he should have, and not run - then what?

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"It's human nature, Prog; not an Asoka apology."
-buckstud-

So, buck, you are saying it never ends. Underclass blacks have a festering hatred of "American society," which translates for too many of them as hatred of "white society."

I've spent since 1964 working on helping white/black relations in the United States to improve. I went to desegregated schools. I sent my kids to desegregated schools. I've done everything I could for FORTY SEVEN YEARS -

And asoka spends every week telling me that it was not enough - that it will NEVER be enough.
I'm f*cking sick of it. And I'm sick of him.

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"Wait until Disney starts patenting catch phrases!" -Wage

Then we burn their giant, false-front, Potemkin villages to the fucking ground; never to rise again in the money-for-nothing Land of Make-Believe.

Goodbye, Mickey, you've served your commercial purpose; now be a good chap, and kindly die in the ditch.

http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/slideshow?articleId=USRTR2V5YT#a=1

Thanks, WSP,
You give me far more credit and good character reference than I deserve. (Sometimes we make our own luck, other times, luck is luck alone.)

Hey, that sounds like a great ride! I'll have to look into rail for further southern sojourns. (Always loved the train.)

"Then maybe this conversation is pointless.
Marlin welcomed you to the dark side."
-wage-

Wage, there is no "light side," anymore in America.
You and Max Keiser excuse violent rioting and looting on the streets of London because - "bankers steal stuff, too."

Wrong is wrong, sure. Evil is evil, sure.
But I'd rather be a victim of a white-collar crime -
Than be a victim of a violent crime.
Any thinking person should feel this way.

Though, I'd just as soon not be a victim of any crime.

Violence is counter-productive. What needs to done is to starve you thieves and murderers and stop allowing you access to our resources. But of-course, you thieves and murderers will invent any lie and excuse, create any false hologram and contrived theater, to allow you to continue to thieve and murder.

The rest of world is learning that you will never change. You will always be that which you have always been. Thieves and murderers and the worst kind of psychopaths. Eventually you will be completely shunned like the plague that you are. My advice to you is to find someone that will allow you to wash away your degenerate genes. Maybe if you start now, you will be saved when the inevitable arrives. I say this to you as a person of white completion, blond hair, and grey/green eyes. I say this to you because after leaning about the white race, that's exactly what I intend to do.

"Sounds like you are saying he deserved his beating because the cops beat Rodney King after a long and dangerous high speed chase."

No, I was suggesting the opposite - that Denny was a victim simply because he was white. I believe that to be plain enough, based on the context of my entire post.And you completely remove my human nature comment out out of context in shining the spotlight back upon 'underclass blacks with a festering hatred' when retribution and vengeance is a universal human charateristic.

But thank you once again for reminding me why engaging in CFN dialougue is often a complete waste of time and energy when folks such as yourself would rather errect strawmen to flog instead of seeking to interpret the spirit of any given post.

Are you supposed to be dead or something? You came back as a woman, a lousy fee male? - Vlad

Vlad, it's somewhat comical that you are upset with me for adopting a female persona.

The last time I posted under my original handle was on 12/1/11. I had become disgusted with the immense content of bullshit on CFN that attempts to pass as profound thought.. and with my own colossal waste of time in contributing to the vast foul pile. If you feel this characterization is unfair I ask that you consider the writings and personality of Mika for whom the insult "Asshole" seems to have been invented.

Right in the middle of a week and without announcement, unlike Prog who feels he must advise us whenever he's leaving his keyboard to take a dump (as if we care), I stopped posting. I wondered if I could quit completely and more importantly I wondered if I could stop reading the comments (though I never had any intention of giving up Jim's essays themselves.. they are just too good). Well, it is much easier to not post than to not read, with the exception of Old69, of course, who I had much earlier blithely begun to scroll past, totally without regret or any feeling that I was being rude. But as the days and weeks rolled by it became very difficult to refrain when someone would say something so asinine that steam would come out of my ears. It didn't even have to be something of substance. It could simply be a mixed metaphor like the beauty you (Vlad) wrote yesterday.. something about the sheep being ripe for the plucking. Whew!

I would read these things and the effort to restrain myself was almost unbearable. I started to think that rather than biting clear through my lower lip I would concoct another persona to carry out the replies rather than to further sully my former self. I would try to adopt an entirely different personality and even the whole look and manner of presentation. Thus MissusQuiche. And why not Missus if Tootsie can be Mrs Beasley? (Note that I couldn't abandon my true self entirely and so the Q in quiche).

I could hardly believe I was actually pulling off this subterfuge until I went a bit too far, falling off the wagon into my customary OCD pedantic shtick, and was finally spotted by Asoka. As late as sometime yesterday though Azgog was still buying my Missus gender change with a flirtatious "saucy outfit" remark.

The false facade has been too much to bear so I will resume my picayune fault-finding under my original handle effective tomorrow.

"when retribution and vengeance is a universal human characteristic."
-buckstud-

On that we can agree, buck.
I just don't know why you, along with a couple of others on CFN consistently give asoka an excuse for his hate, or a pass on his hate.

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Methuselah seems to think he can reproduce with someone who is "non-white" enough that he can eliminate hate and vengeance-seeking from his gene pool, if I'm reading him right. Good luck with that one, Met - Buck Stud seems to think violence is in every human gene pool. I suspect he is correct.

Now, who we gonna' call?

Well, I'll be damned.