Did Iran shoot at us and capture a drone? I missed it. Sorry, please post a link so I can get the shotshells out of the barn! ;o)

Miss Stewart?
Leona? [Heck Ms Helmsly owned the Empire State Building and was Jewish].

Good thing we gots all them cheap digitile cameras lyin' around. What? The FBI's in all the satellite uplinks and telcos? Back to local news.

God, can ANYBODY see the inconsistency and hypocrisy of their own thinking?
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LOL! I just love the irony, coming from the fat cat hypocrite who believes himself to be the "good German Nazi" while everyday he shows up to work at Goebbels' propaganda offices so he can receive his allocated portion of theft stolen by the nazi imperialist machine. And let's not forget the that delicious complaint of his about the riffraff he must deal with, those low intellects, who aren't interested in being programmed as obedient workers for the fascist machine.

Damn. I got kind of a buzz off that. For a moment I was in Huxley's novel.

E, I did strongly berate you, but at the time I was fed up with EVERYBODY'S complaints, and you happened to be the last complaining poster when I "snapped". The reason I'm on this blog is not to listen to complaints - critical thinkers here know what our society's problems are - but to learn about possible solutions. And I don't see very many here, although I believe there ARE some.

Regarding Q's corrections, I have to take his side on this. Yes, there's seemingly more important issues to discuss here, but that's misleading. You, especially, ought to know that expressing oneself in writing reflects the state of one's thinking process. I see two benefits to Q's shtick: First, by constantly correcting posters' grammar and spelling, he's perhaps getting them to think a little more carefully about what they're writing, which might improve their clarity of thought. Second, it points out by example the sorry mental state of our society.

In any case, I do respect your writings and intellect, and I apologize for treating you badly. But, please! Use that intellect to offer up ways to deal with what may well be coming.

somebody at info.info(sic) said maybe we ll get some real regulation now that the .01% are ripping off the .09%...

Isn't that the way it works, the big sharks start eating little sharks, the bourgeois class cries foul?

Civlization is spelled incorrectly in title.

Heavens, wait till the anal retentive blog spell checker gets wind of this, he'll be jumping right out of his footed pajamas.

Babelfish reveals that you're a Rolex spammer and possibly even a bot. Welcome to Mos Eisley. We don't serve your kind here.

And you're a Louis Vuitton spammer. Wow, are you ever in the wrong place to be promoting crass commercialism and mass consumption!

CFT, Since war will be the ultimate solution out of this mess, I'd say we're all going to using the Charlie Foxtrot Delta call here shortly.

9mm, .223, and seeds are all one should be buying each other as holiday presents...

"Oh, the weather outside is frighting...
let it snow, let it snow, let it snow...

WSP,
Now thar be some deeelicious snark! ;o)

(As an aside: Husqvarna of any XP model for chainsaw. Loads of tough-nut parts can be swapped out. By their price, one can tell these are not your disposable cheapies. I'm a bit disappointed in how quickly the bar wears, but I s'pose that's from more use than I would like to become aware of. ;o) I hear a lot of good things about Stihls, but I've not looked into repairs and replacement on those particular beasts. I've still got my old mid-70's Jonsered; later absorbed into Husqvarna; still runs strong.)

"Miss Stewart?
Leona? [Heck Ms Helmsly owned the Empire State Building and was Jewish]."

HUH? :?

Having some trouble with my Stihl saws, based on the ethanol content of the gas. Small engines suffer more than big ones, but the Eth will crystalize in the lines and filters, precipitating out in storage.

Get some no-eth gasoline or empty your saw and run some "Moto-Mix" from Stihl in it before you store it, even for a short time.

I run my saws every weekend, in winter. So be prepared (and practice with an axe and bow-saw, too, lads).

Ready for winter?
Ummm, I don't imagine I'm ever ready enough.
Definitely enough wood; so we'll stay warm.
Still doing road work (damnit), but hopefully will have it sussed out before the deep snows.

(Always been a fan of rule .357. Recidivism is nil after that rule has been invoked.)

Stay loose and squirrely!

"Did Iran shoot at us and capture a drone? I missed it. Sorry, please post a link so I can get the shotshells out of the barn! ;o)"

Just look up Google Nooze, its all there.
Along with the special forces inside Iran killing people & blowing things up in prep for the attack.
But I think the plan is to first deal with Syria, then Iran next year sometime.

:O

I have my old Jonsered too. But last year I bought a 346 XP and that sucker rips it up and only weighs about 8 lbs. compared to the 12 pound beast. Either way, it sure beats playing on the internet. Except on Monday mornings at work of course.

"The Fed proves that the other branches of government believe that the legislative branch need not be consulted ... on ANYTHING."

Probably just an oversight, but, The Federal Reserve is NOT a "branch" of the Federal Government and they have NO reserves.

"Any time now, I'm expecting Obama to start talking with a Texas drawl, buy a dude ranch, and spend his frequent month-long vacations "clearing brush."

Has he got his 200,000 acre retreat in Uraguay yet?

Probably just an oversight, but, it's Paraguay where the Bush's purchased land over one of the world's largest fresh water aquifers.

Oh, and Paraguay has no extradition treaty. Bush fucked the country good... and he has a Plan B for TLE.

When America realizes that no matter what they have done or been told that their comfy retirements are indeed gone; all that 'wealth' they thought they had accumulated never really existed, then OWS will become OA. Thank God we will have WWIII to distract us and save the economy. Phew!

"The problem with Democracy is that it attracts too many people with too much time on their hands"
-Will Rogers

Howdy Smokey Joe, I usually go to the local small airport and buy Aviation gasoline, Way better than the crap at the local service station. There's a term you don't hear much anymore. "Service Station" haha. It is a little expensive but I don't really burn much in the small engines and MC, I believe it is 103 octane, no ethanol, and it still has lead in it.My old stuff still needs leaded gas. And I have a bunch of old stuff!

CF you can also use bleach. It has to be plain and not scented. Clorox used to put a chart for this kind of use on their gallon bottles. It's not too much either. About a drop per gallon. Swimming pool chem's might also work. Especially for large amounts.

Time to stock up on ammo while it's affordable. If it's on sale buy it whether you need the caliber or not. Down the road it will be great for barter.

And I was just wondering if you are related to SierraFoxtrot ?

Stay Frosty

Something no one has said:

You could put Corzine, Dimon, and their friends in prison with 100 year sentences ... and it won't do a damn thing about the toxic paper that is choking the world economy. The damage has been done.

Nor would sending some CEOs to prison restore corporate morality. The duty of a CEO is to increase profits ... by any means necessary. If some laws have to be broken, then laws will be broken. If money has to be stolen, then money will be stolen.

If people have to be enslaved, they will be enslaved. If countries need to be bombed and invaded, if native peoples need to be eliminated through systematic genocide, if the environment needs to be destroyed, etc. ... whatever is necessary to make a profit.

If some CEOs go to prison, do you think that will stop the next CEOs in carrying out the profit imperative?

The CEOs will do what they have to do, or they will lose their jobs. It is the way capitalism has worked for hundreds of years now.

There is a political party that is not corporate-owned you can vote for: the Green Party.

http://www.jillstein.org
Jill Stein for President 2012

wait just a damn minute!!! how did you get a loan for $50,000??!! i couldn t get one for $500 if i tried! guess i shoulda asked for $5,000,000- that would sweeten the default points for the credit (broke)rs... sheesh...

I'll take Melt Down....W W 3 might be too hard to control. The 1% don't want to fry their assets.

I think the WW3 shit is just wag the dog. Just to get your eye off the ball as they pull yet another financial swindle.

Maybe there is some cred to Ron Paul's call to AUDIT THE FED ?

ccm989 said: "...that clueless joker."

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Krugman seems to be channeling JHK, or JHK is channeling Krugman. Speaking of clueless jokers:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/05/opinion/send-in-the-clueless.html?_r=1&hp
Send in the Clueless

I just recieved an email from a buddy of mine with a similar home in it. This one however was a double shiooing container model. It looked really cool hwen finished. I guess if your Township's building ordinances allow it then why not. Brem up around the north side and build a green house on the south and it will be toasty in the winter.

If you live in farm country you can find leaded Tractor Gas available. At least out here in Michigan.

That was me, CFT! Last week, I pointed out that now that the .01% are ripping off the .09%, they'll probably crack down, like they did with Bernie Madoff.

But the underlying problems will continue.

I fully understand what you are saying and do expect that under new management "the boomers" are going to be pushed towards the soylent green terminal much more so than "the greaters" are. The problem actually can be laid at the feet of those who are in the notch between the the boomers and their parents. Or, possibly, their big brothers and sisters....the high school graduating class of 1956 that went on to fear neither selective service nor deflation of their investments. And which also got a pretty good foothold before the ravages of a narrowly focused, generalization soaked botique social liberalism started to cost them much. For cheap, on the tails of genuine social progressivsm, having been hammered out by a generation that was essentially spent in doing so. Willing to pass the work along, naively thinking that the next shift that came on was actually going to be interested in what had made it work.

It might not be too bad an idea if before the Xers and millenials and now the newly labeled "losters" and whatever of the teen-30 notch get to thinkin' and come to some agreement that the boomers be simply rounded up for the glue factory that among that useless mass there just might remain those who are the only souls left who watched it all transpire. First, under the lingering shadows that were "The War" and the depression viewed with the eyes of a child, and then getting to see something ACTUALLY WORK. And then waerily slithering off, with the soul of skeptics turned agreeable if not somewhat mystified by seeing it all start all over again, to become slaves to debt in order to maintain a nominal reflection in sustinance of those who preceeded them immediately.

The brain cells that are holding the data that can be useful to the new doers are inside the weary skulls of those who never quite gave up on core progressivism. Never quite were able to square up Bill Clinton and his perfecting of Reagonomics with the genuine "liberalism" that they had seen actually stop a war or improve civil society.

You progressive boomer haters need to take a breath and form a search committee and go out and find some of those unicorns. And take a little closer look at the birthdates of those who you view as your orpessors. They are more sub-boomer than you presume. It will help the spokespeople of your generation from embarassing yourselves and making you so vulnerable to disingenious yet somehow effectual criticsm from the spawn of those '56ers, the Reagan babies. The row upon row of talking heads....they aren't boomers. We're used up for that sort of thing. None of us write anymore.

"Stuff" that when we hear it become not so much appaled at what has been said or insinuated, but rather, aghast at your inability to intelligently and effectively respond.

What good would an audit do?

Suppose an audit uncovers some theft ... that won't do a damn bit of good if no one will enforce laws against fraud and theft.

Ron Paul is a card-carrying member of the Republican Party, a life-long politician receiving government-paid health care, but Ron Paul voted against the Childrens' Health Insurance bill (Jan. 23, 2008, HR 3963) and voted against the GI Bill (May 15, 2008, HR 2642) and voted against the Medicare bill (June 24, 2008, HR 6331).

Ron Paul voted yes for Ron Paul's government health care plan, but he voted no for children and voted no for veterans and voted no for senior citizens.

I will check that out. Thanks. Most of the farmland around here (NW PA.) however, is Amish owned. Them thar mules don't like the taste of that thar Ethanol.

Yay, asoka! No more tweedledum or tweedledee.

Vote Jill Stein!

http://www.jillstein.org/

Meanwhile, in South Africa, Democracy Now is covering the climate change talks that the US, once again, is obstructing.

While LA gets 100mph Santa Ana winds, in December!

And the northeast tries to dry out, while Texas burns.

We live in Dumbfuckistan.

They did audit the Fed. That's how they found out about the $8 trillion bailout.

Solar Guy, Illegitimi non carborundum! (Don't let the bastards grind you down.)

I look forward to your posts every week. You are one of the few optimistic voices on CFN. And you are doing the Lord's work!

So, keep on installing those solar panels. Every little bit of energy we can capture from the sun means that much less we need to buy from dirty-coal companies (there is no "clean coal") or from Middle Eastern dictators.

KEEP DOING GOOD. SMILE. AND PUSH ON.

But I recognize too that the embarrassment runs a distant second to the rage that's building within.
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I've been raging against the willfully ignorant fascists and fascist machine for over two years here. There were few here who understood my anger and what I was talking about. Wage was one of the first. Now this understanding is almost universal on CFN. There are still a few holdouts, like Q and PC, but on the whole most recognize that with a little research EVERYTHING that I've said can be easily verified.

Here here!

The subsidy to the fascist imperialist predators is unlimited and unending.

US = Imperialist Fascist Vatican/Roman Reich

"...and he has a Plan B for TLE."

Thought it might be... but what of O's plan?

in the early 90's, i met an ex-cia op (trust the source) who said bush the first was bringing tons of coke in through his offshore oil rigs because the workers don t have to go through customs...and almost all of the rank and file were mexican...he still owns the rigs as far as i can tell...

Excellent video, thanks for the link.

oh yeah- sorry, i ve discovered info recently, and my brain is more filled than usual with all of the extremely obscene shenanigans out there...btw, i ve been reading your archives; right on! like your style, keep it up- it s nice to 'hear' a resonant voice in the clamor...

man, that s a great tip about the ammo- little late; i only just turned down several hundred rounds of .357 s and .38 s cuz i roll with the nines and didn t think i would need em...will keep the idea in front; thanks re sierra: nope

Bernie Sanders also supported the audit and posted some of the results.

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=9e2a4ea8-6e73-4be2-a753-62060dcbb3c3

What is your attachement to the Bush's? They are one of the old Protestant Families, Skull and Bonesmen both junior and senior. These people went Global generations ago and are traitors.

The Plan is to unite Canada, America, and Mexico into a common economy a la the European Union. Letting in millions of illegals is part of erasing the border. Later on South America and North America will be joined - as will Europe and Africa. The third economic zone is Asia. Australia is an Asian nation. To make this a reality, they are flooding the place with Chinese and Arabs. The final stage will be the Union of the Three Zones into a World Goverment. The fiction of individual nations will be maintained until this time and perhaps even after.

What? Don't you know that American Exceptionalism means we can do whatever the fuck we want to do with impunity?

even with the sc decision about wal-mart; couldn t We The People initiate a class-action lawsuit against eric holder? surely it has been established beyond the burden of proof that all of us have been harmed in the same, substantial fashion by his negligence in preferring charges against all of the investment thieves?!

Are you armed yet, Ront? Remember no can slay or be slain in Reality. It will be just part of the Play as written by the Playwrite. We must play our parts after all. Pacifists try to rewrite the Play, but they cannot. They play a minor role as per their understanding.

Remember Baba - and fight.

ront, have you been to the Bhopal Centre in India?

Does Wage support your ideas about Israel having the right to take over the whole West Bank? You lost the Communists when you did that, preppy. Your beanies are seriously askew. Better fix your propellers and get ready to lift off out of there.

$8 trillion --- $16 trillion.... pretty soon you're talking real money!

Hatred of the Church is the oldest and deepest American Prejudice. The early Americans were Calvinists who imagined themselves as the Chosen People. Crypto Jews so to speak. You are as wrong as wrong can be.

But this very imagining has kept some of them pure. The traditional Calvinists don't buy into the Christian Zionism and Jews as the Chosen People at all. God bless them.

How does "Jill" stand on the genocide of Whites in South Africa and Zimbabwe? Just like Jack, right?

Every week you make these sarcastic comments. Are you even paying attention to world news these days? The Euro is going down in flames right now. Unless the ECB does something drastic like open a window to buy an unlimited amount of bonds from troubled countries, it could very well break apart. The Economist has been running stories every week for months now about how the European GDP is shrinking and the banks there are choked with junk government bonds, which has the potential to bring down the entire banking system there (really), not to mention send the entire world into another Great Depression.

Trillions of dollars have been pumped into the world banking system over the last 3-4 years by the Fed and other central banks. And yet still the whole system seems to teeter on the edge, slouching from one catastrophe to another. This is like the patient on the operating table whose heart goes into defib and is being shocked with electricity to get them going again.

And somehow you think the world economic system is robust and will "carry on" no matter what. Get real. We are teetering on the brink of some pretty awful events.

Do these epic problems mean that civilization will suddenly collapse and we will all have our own reenactment of The Road? No, but sticking your head in the sand like Chicken Little does not mean you are somehow wiser or more informed than people who actually know what's going on right now.

In other words, get a clue, asoka! :)

Anyways, Happy Monday to ya.

All religion is bunk.

Loser, if you're going to plagiarize every sentence you write, the least you can do is give them people some credit.

Yeah he'll do alright. It's no place for Whites: lots of discrimination and assults. We should cede Hawaii to Japan. They have the moral courage to keep the Polynesian Thugs in line and protect White Lives and Property.

Jews as the Chosen People
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And? Are you jealous?

You want to be God's chosen people, is that it?

You are right on the crux of it - dead on center. As Solzhenitsyn said, hatred of God is the very essence of Communism - more fundamental than all their economic or political pretensions.

We already are.

Asoka - how do you stand on my proposal to cede Hawaii to Japan?

LOL! So what's the problem? Why are you so afraid of everyone?

In other words, free money for nothing for the Too Big to Fail banks. Neat huh?

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Really neat. (I assume you are being sarcastic.)

Tell me, what does the alternative look like? Can you tell me what would happen if QE did not happen?

Firstly, I'm not against peaceful change when possible. I merely state that it's not always possible and that good men have the right to resist evil by force.

Secondly, evil can be done "peacefully" as well. Many of those that you list were Soros actions; efforts to expand to NWO at the expense of free peoples.

As Krisnamurti said, Gandhi was an extremely violent man. His methods were relatively peaceful but his mind was devoid of peace. Not completely of course - he is said to have died with the name of Ram on his lips. The point is that pacifism is often ineffective even when motivated by good and that violence is not evil in and of itself. It's the intent that makes it so. A knife can kill or cure - remember the surgeon's scapel.

don t forget the women in liberia: wasn t bloodless by any means, but it was mostly that of the unarmed women & children...

Quite the contradictory poast there, BTB:

"The reason I'm on this blog is not to listen to complaints ... but to learn about possible solutions."

Yet, when it comes to Q's incessant complaints about spelling, you are perfectly satisfied?

"Regarding Q's corrections, I have to take his side on this. ... it points out by example the sorry mental state of our society."

I see Q's whinging as nothing but self-anointed chest-thumping. I'm certainly not seeing any resultant solutions, whatsoever.

Be that as it may, I just wanted to discuss with everyone my latest day-trading tactics, that have netted me $5k/week for the past 8 weeks, with little to no risk, and little to no overhead!!! Who cares that the market is now a fraudulent system, manipulated by volumetric millisecond trades, derivatives, (naked) short/long margin gambling, excessive leveraging, "ETF" commodities (LOL oxymoron), collateralized debt (another oxymoron?) and completely unbacked default insurance/swaps? Get yours while you can!!!

What are you talking about? It's natural to want to end tyranny or escape from thuggery. It's well known in America that large parts of Hawaii are no longer safe for Whites - just like large parts of our big cities. Whites have never been the majority there and the Japanese have been numerous there for a long time. And they are not hated by the Indigenes as Whites are. And they are a "law and order" bunch to the nth degree. They Would establish order and peace for everyone.

It's thinking outside the box - but isn't that what we have to do now? What has been lacking for so long? The Japanese have a bad colonial history but they may have turned over a new leaf. They might jump at the chance to show it.

Well, thanks for relating, but I'm far, far beyond the type of ethnocentric anger you advocate. When I talk about a rage building within, my tendency toward introspection kicks in and I realize it's just a bit of sadness that I'm really feeling. But with any emotion, such things need to be apart of a larger process of acquiring experience to better deal with reality.

I'll leave the racial grudges to the impotent proles who like to ejaculate their grievances onto other CFNers, who in turn don't hesitate to rush over to fellow complaining dickheads with towels to sop up their messy gripes in a unity of the mundane.

You and VK can carry on now.

Asoka - how do you stand on my proposal to cede Hawaii to Japan?

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I am with the one-world government crowd. I want unity, federation, cooperation, not secession and isolation. I like big government.

All the successful governments, like the Scandanavian democratic socialist countries, provide people with education, health care, etc. through high taxation and high regulation. More taxes, more regulation, that is the key to avoid the tax cuts, elimination of Depts. of Education, Commerce, and Energy and the resulting anarchy the conservatives/libertarians want to have so they can be "free"

Ne Vincent said "And you're a Louis Vuitton spammer. Wow, are you ever in the wrong place to be promoting crass commercialism and mass consumption!"

Won't it be lovely when the descendants of Watson are able to create spam posts so opaquely realistic it will be impossible to tell whether they are a real person or not.

Impotent proles? Wow are you ever in for a wake up call on the "Day". Meet up with some of your Black Brothers and you'll find out how impotent they are.

Don't underestimate people. Everyone has a bit of power - even now never mind then. Even you.

Seems to me that you live in constant fear. By your own account you're not safe anywhere. It's time your God gathered you chosen few and took you where you might be safe. Perhaps a Chinese plantation on the island of Madagascar. I understand this is written in one of your sacred Vatican redacted scripts yet to be publicized. It's perfect. A prophecy come true.

Your time is coming. Nixon was asked what he thought the long term prospects for Israel were. He just shook his head and gave a thumbs down. You fucked up. You could have had the whole, huge island of Madagascar. But your egos were too big and you had to have the Holy Land - which doesn't belong to you anymore. You have destroyed countless Palestinian Villages and killed countless Palestinians, both Muslim and Christian. Surely you don't think you're going to get away with it?

You must accept the right of return and surrender yourselves to the tender mercies of the practicioners of the Religion of Peace. I'm sure it will all work out fine! Just ask Asoka.

I'll leave the racial grudges to the impotent proles who like to ejaculate their grievances onto other CFNers
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That's a beautiful sentence there, Absalom. It will not be long before your passive-aggressiveness evolves into something more useful than passive spectatorship. I know this, because I perfectly understand human nature.

Mika, Vlad does not have to choose a location on Planet Earth. Here in the southwest we have a spaceport.

http://www.spaceportamerica.com/about-us/spaceport-america.html

There may be other places to look into.

Perhaps the question to Nixon should have been what he thought was the long term prospects for Nixon. Anyway, that question is already answered. Point being, we're still around. Others who were our contemporaries thousands of years ago are long gone. And we'll still be around long after the US empire is done and gone.

I highly doubt Vlad could pass the Physical.

"It will not be long before your passive-aggressiveness evolves into something more useful than passive spectatorship. I know this, because I perfectly understand human nature."
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Alright, expert. I'll bite. What do you mean by something more useful?

By the way. You're callin' me passive aggressive meteuselah/mika. Get a life.

Jailed:
Martha Stewart
Leona Helmsly

And we'll still be around long after the US empire is done and gone.

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Mika, the USA empire will fall and die, like previous empires have. You don't need to rage so much, IMHO.

Inertia (to change) will be overcome by the momentum of its victims' blowback. Collapse is inevitable, with or without our efforts.

"You could put Corzine, Dimon, and their friends in prison with 100 year sentences ... and it won't do a damn thing about the toxic paper that is choking the world economy. The damage has been done."

LOL, you Obama apologist! Let's just focus on the future; anything that has already occurred cannot be changed! It's not as if punishment for that crime would provide an incentive against committing that crime in the future...

Your weak-@$$ argument above is like saying we shouldn't hold rapists or murderers accountable for their crimes, as their victims cannot be unraped or raised from the dead. The damage has been done.

Ahh, I get it - you're on with that sarcasm/irony flip-flop bit again. Workin' both sides of the argument, liek the true master-debater!!!

What do you mean by something more useful?
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It means that soon you'll be parroting EVERYTHING that I've been saying, and maybe you'll even act on it.

True. But every reaction needs a catalyst. I'm that catalyst.

HA HA HA HA.

You're insane dude.

Take care

It is pretty neat, if you work for a mega-bank.

What is the alternative? There are plenty. Why has giving free money to private banks become the only way to handle our financial difficulties? Are you for the public purse supporting the schemes of banks who have already proven themselves reckless and irresponsible? Isn't this like giving 100k to your teenage son who just wrecked your Ferrari?

There was a whole menu of options deployed back in the S&L days like breaking apart institutions. But the easy way out is simply keystroking in a couple billion into a bank's Fed Reserve account. The GS alumni now running the Fed and the Treasury Department like that option the best, too.

Congress could hold impeachment proceedings against Attorney General Holder for high crimes and misdemeanors. I would imagine that would take quite a few letters to congress and a lot of time we don't have. Beyond this Obama could fire him. Since that won't happen the only way is to fire Obama. Electing someone who will fire him is the only way.

Like k-dog for instance. I'll do it while I'm reaching for the phone to close Guantanamo, first day in.

Yes, that was the reaction two years back. Now, practically everyone sees exactly what I see.

Keep raising people's awareness. It's not long before a critical mass of people will be reached, and then it's game over for these fsckers.

And if that One World Goverment goes bad - what recourse does anyone have then? No limitation in size - and the checks and balances that come from that - are the very essence of sane goverment.

"No one has ever been able to explain why Bush Two was so protective of Mexico. The explosion of "immigrants" began with him and he largely covered for them. Why? I don't believe the Bush family was part of the cartels, but why cover for and protect such a violent invasion?"

Oh please - the Mexican immigrants are not a violent invasion, unless you find picking crops/doing yardwork violent and invasive. Is this something FOX news continues to hype now that Hussein is in office?

"I kind of like George W."

And I'm not surprised. Sometimes I think your name should really be JulettaOfTejas, but then, I guess the teabaggers did do some damage in Ohio/Wisconsin/Michigan/Indiana/etc...

The Egyptians are still around. As are the Persians. They aren't the same people and culture? Neither are the Jews. Ancient Jews didn't have the Talmud and weren't Pharisees. Nor did they have Mongolian eyes or big New York noses.

Sure Jews will probably still be around for a long time. But Israel? Get a life - and get a passport while you're at it.

What exactly makes you the expert on who should live where, Vladistan?

To quote from one my favorite movies, "That's just like, your opinion, man."

Seriously though, why don't you get specific? You "think" Obama is like a teenager. Okay then. I think you're just another American airhead who makes things up based on second hand information from cable television.

As it is, you just barfed out a bunch of ad hominem attacks I could just as well hear on an episode of Hannity and Friends.

No, Vlad. Those peoples no longer exist. What made them what they are is no longer there. It's no longer there in terms of language and culture and it's no longer there in terms of genetics.

As for your Talmud and Pharisees, I completely reject both. As do the vast vast vast majority of Jews. Our national identity is our tribal connection to our ancient land our ancient language our ancient culture our ancient history. That was always the case. That will always be the case.

"I kind of like George W."

I kind of think you're a clueless moron.

Why are you bothering to argue with this Vlad character, anyways? The best strategy is not to play or just deride him and his ridiculous race baiting with disparaging one-liners. It isn't worth the time to write out detailed replies to his idiocy. In his own mind, he's some kind of genius of history and race politics, so you're never going to get through to him.

Thanks for the link, lbendet.

I'm only half way through, but I already used the exponential water thing on my radio show this morning.

Good stuff.

I believe that this was the same person who thought that farm fields were "blown up" earlier this year, and expressed anger that the government chose a bunch of, (and I believe that she used the word) "niggers" over corn.

Because she thinks that the US has too many African-Americans, and doesn't grow enough corn, apparently.

This was back during the floods in April, when I was dealing with the people who had to evacuate their homes due to flooding. The reason I remember is because she pushed me over the edge that time.

Bush, huh? Let us count the ways.

Launched a completely optional war against Iraq that turned into a botch job. This war, BTW, was based on falsified intelligence decided on for "administration reasons," e.g. the infamous WMDs.

Got the US stuck in the Afghanistan quagmire for ten years.

Cut taxes massively for the rich while we were in the midst of said wars, thus destroying any semblance of fiscal responsibility left in the US budget.

Helped pass the Medicare part D prescription drug plan, an unfunded mandate costing the governemtn hundreds of billions.

Had his lawyers write up justifications for torture and illegal wiretapping.

Oversaw financial and corporate deregulation that lead to many scandals and catastrophes, such as Enron, the financial crisis, etc.

His grammar and speaking abilities were so notoriously aweful that the term "Bushism" was coined to describe his verbal gaffes.

His administration outed a CIA agent all because her husband had the balls to, you know, tell the truth.

And on and on.

And you "kind of like" this guy? LOL. There is no hope for you!

I don't want him to ever have the excuse of saying that he didn't know. He does know. The more he continues with his tact, the more he knows; the deeper the eternal grave he digs for himself.

He's picked the Jews as his whipping boy, like a good little crypto-Nazi. It makes him feel superior to identify some group that is supposedly responsible for the world's problems and the miserable nature of his existence. The Jewish NWO is keeping him down, doncha know?

I wouldn't feed the fire, if I were you, even inadvertently.

"ront, have you been to the Bhopal Centre in India?"

No, Asoka, what is and what's happening at the Bhopal Centre?

Sorry, I'd rather he'd drown in blue waters rather than brown waters.

Forgive me, ront. I thought perhaps you had had the privilege of going to the Avatar Meher Baba Bhopal Centre in India.

http://bit.ly/vgHA7a

Perhaps I am mistakenly assuming you have an association with Meher Baba. I attended some meetings of the Seattle Meher Baba group in 1969.

"As JHK says, its time to get busy building a new society. OWS is not a bad place to start."

Is there any doubt that certain politicians/power brokers would love nothing better than to declare OWS a terrorist organization? And detain indefinitely some of its participants without trial?

The calender reads as December but the truly chilling has yet to arrive.

Vlad,

You, Mika, and Metuselah are one. Certainly not the Holy Trinity, but a trinity all the same. The three are one and the one is three.

Get back on your meds and please stop talking to yourselves.

CR

Buck Stud,
I understand OWS is too decentralized to attack in that way, though there are rumors that DHS may have helped coordinate the attacks on various OWS encampments.

Bottom line, you cannot destroy an idea whose time has come. I am sure there are those who try, of course.

As to the U of I discussion last week, I do have to admit I made the following assumption. If you payed tuition, that you'd at least attend the 16 hours worth of class lectures each week, that you'd spend at least 1-2 hours a day studying the material/doing homework, and that you'd show up to take all the exams/finals.

I did know a couple of guys who rarely/never went to lectures, and only showed up for exams/finals. They were exceptional leeches, getting homework/lecture notes from "friends" in those classes (some from frat house archives). They'd only study during the "all nighter" session prior to exams/finals. They tended to do alright, pulling B's in the prerequisite classes, but getting hammered with C/D's in 400-level degree-specific courses.

When I went to U of I in the late 80's, it was $1.6k a semester for in-state tuition and fees ($3.2k/year, not including books/room/board). Back then, you could get into all the campus bars at age 18, and once you were in the doors they'd serve you (drinking age was 21 for IL state). Needless to say, pretty much every night was spent with friends going out to the campus bars ("frat" bars were crowded and served cheap drinks). I should have avoided that scene, saved some time/money, and tripled my study time to 3-6 hours/day - but if I had to do it all over again, I don't think I'd change it...

I knew a couple other guys that flunked out, due to spending all their time playing pool at the union and in the campus bars. I'm guessing the bar scene is a lot different/nonexistent now. I'm also guessing those annual street party keg-fests and the annual pot party in the quad no longer happen. And *WoW*, the annual in-state tuition/fees are $14-19k this year!!! I'll bet the average starting salary for a BS in engineering has barely gone up from the ~$35k back in 1989 (wiki suggests ~$50k now - certainly not the 5-fold U of I residential tuition/fees increase)...

As Bilbo said, a road is a dangerous thing. You never know where it's going to take you. Feminist and Liberal sites are always watched carefully and vigilant about what can and cannot be said. Offenders are banned - the one strike rule typically. You might feel more comfortable at ones of these Anti-American/Western Civilization type blogs.

Well, of course, the point I was making was that even though he did all the "wrong things", according to the dominant paradigm, it worked out better for him than for those who followed the party line.

I'm not quite sure why you got so upset. Are you still paying on college loans?

At the time, I didn't realize that my children's generation was being attacked by the bankers, and the best and brightest were targeted for perpetual debt slavery.

That seems to evil, even for them.

And yet...

Personally, I was hoping that the next bubble would be in green technology, as a writer in Harper's magazine proposed in 2006, or so. He noted that the dot com bubble was immediately followed by the housing bubble, which was due to pop, and advised that turning to a green future would be a great way in inflate the next bubble.

Nope, they went after the kids instead.

Lbendet was right. I am quoting Max Keiser when I talk about financial rape. And he calls for beheading bankers, also.

I am against capital punishment, but the idea is still appealing. Look at the harm and human misery they've caused.

I am quite sanguine about my son, and his choices. Perhaps you should also take a broader look.

Also, you seemed personally aggrieved that he got a job, which I found uncharitable.

He also has been promoted three times in two years, which I ascribe to his brilliance and ability, although it could just as equally be his good looks and charm.

Who knows?

I think that it was also Max Keiser who pointed out that people who invested with Jon Corzine probably knew he was a crook, but assumed that they would also benefit from his ill-gotten gains, due to his prominence.

As I always say, there is no honor among thieves.

That joke is a little old and you are alot boring. Is this all you have to say? It is because all you Liberals tend to believe exactly the same thing. No wonder since you watch the same shows and get programmed by the same people.

Dear President K-Dog,

Just a little request: Hire Senator Elizabeth Warren for the job of special prosecutor to bring to justice the hordes of government and business thieves. Failing that, maybe your former competitor, Jill Stein.

And immediately after shutting down Guantamano, declare victory in the war against drugs, and legalize them.

I know I heard that quote in some movie, but for the life of me, I just can't remember which one - although it does sound BigLebowskiish. Please do tell.

Yup.

Right on, Mika!

Wage said:

my children's generation was being attacked by the bankers, and the best and brightest were targeted for perpetual debt slavery.

In a civilized country education is provided. For example, in Denmark you can go from kindergarten to your PhD and it is all government-paid.

Even in Central America, in Costa Rica, you can go from kindergarten to PhD for very little money. The University of Costa Rica, the nation’s best public university, charges less than three thousand dollars ($3,000) a year for tuition and fees. Those tuition costs are per year, not per semester.

Jews are not the same people genetically or culturally either. Language Ok, more or less. The revival of Hebrew was an quite an accomplishment.

But your Judaism is dying: you all are a Western People and aren't having babies either. The future of Judaism belongs to the Orthodox.

So you better get busy with those Black Jew girls if you want to have a future. Liberal Women are selfish sluts, be they Jew or Gentile. Maybe the Falasha girls aren't corrupted yet...And the offspring will be even farther away from historical Judaism genetically - but you don't know that....

ever consider that maybe gitmo has more prisoners than we know about? like maybe the disappeared? and that ourbama fully believed he could close it until he was sworn in and made privy to "state secrets" and nat l security issues? what have we been told since? a very quiet "it s complicated"...i know y all don t like conspiracy theorists, but what happened to the passengers who showed up on the flight logs at a nasa installation? that ditch full of scrap metal and the round hole opposite rummy s office were made by no airplanes...

Vlad, you are like a cross between Joan Rivers and Pat Buchannan, and boy is your shtick getting old. We get it, okay? You don't like the Jews. Stop telling us over and over and over again.

Wow, when I graduated college - sometime around when Barney Rubble graduated HS - a typical BS in EE got around $7-8000/yr. starting salary. Talk about destruction of the dollar. Couldn't compare to my HS job of wiping cars in a car wash for $1.05/hr.

You're a man after my own heart, Turk. I loved that movie, too. BTW, I just saw "Hugo" and I would recommend seeing it - an excellent movie.

"I'm not quite sure why you got so upset. Are you still paying on college loans?"

I wasn't upset, more like shocked. I found that I had to do a lot of study/homework for my first 3-6 months on the job. These requirements were in line with most college courses I took. From what I can tell, scholarships at U of I only cover up to about 50% of the total tuition/fees. So, to make an investment like that (plus books/room/board), then piss it away in a semester, seems like a waste of a lot of time and money to me. And it illustrates a general lack of responsibility (concern?), that seems too common with the texting kiddies these daze...

I am pretty upset to find out that ~20 years later, the average starting salary for a BS engineering degree has only increased ~40% - yet the cost of the same-exact degree has increased ~400-500%. And, as we all know, student debt can no longer be resolved through bankruptcy, since ~2005. Finally, the vast majority of these jobs will likely go to the minority immigrants (who tend to be the very best of the best from their billion-person homelands [China/India]).

And no, I don't have any student loans to pay off. I worked as a busboy and banquet waiter for 3 years during high school, and I did a 2-year coop during college (alternating semesters, $9-12/hour, in Washington, DC - total joke wage, I earned more as a busboy years earlier) to pay my expenses. I did owe my parents ~$6k when I graduated from college, but payed that back within 2 years with a serious bonus (Dad told me to stop sending him money, LOL).

I absolutely believe that the work ethic/self-sufficiency has a huge impact on building character and success. Parents that have tuition funds for their children, buy them cars, pay all their expenses, and cater to their every whim, result in children that will go no where, but into their parent's basements for another 2 decades after high school graduation. (That paragraph needs work, LOL!)

"Personally, I was hoping that the next bubble would be in green technology"

I've been betting on the tuition bubble pop for a while, and have poasted so for a while here. Just not sure if it will come before it all falls off the *cliff*...

As to the kids, they were sold down the river a long time ago. Take a look outside - the resources (forests/water/land) have been exponentially plundered, what remains has been exponentially polluted with toxic heavy metals/radiation/carcinogenic hydrocarbons, each US child is born into an indentured tax-burden servitude of at least $50k (more like $500k, but who's *counting*), ad-nauseum - not a single one of us gave a damn if anything would be left for them when we are gone... May as well leverage them to the hilt now, ala student "collateralized debt" (sardonic indeed - Spirit: Dr Sardonicus!)

The real Semites are basically the Arabs now - and a small number of other minorities: Assyrians, Chaldeans, and the "Oriental Jews". Are you an Oriental Jew? No? So?

Some of the Celts once lived in Asia Minor. So should the Irish Americans use Catholicism as a unifying principle and and ask other Catholics to join them in a Crusade to take back Asia Minor for Irish Catholic Celts? No? So?

I'm just making too much sense as usual and that makes you liberal "thinkers" uncomfortable.

Do you really support what the Jews did/do to the Palestinians? So much for your ideals, clown.

"The Plan is to unite Canada, America, and Mexico into a common economy a la the European Union. Letting in millions of illegals is part of erasing the border. Later on South America and North America will be joined -"
HA-HA-HA.... Like that will ever happen. So Am has NO interest in 'joining' NA.

And Vlad, you just gotta get out of the trailer park once in awhile. Have you ever been to Hawaii? They like the Japanese money, but they would actually have someone like you "ruling" them vs the Japanese. Of course, if they had the choice, they'd kick out all the hauolies.
Where do you get your info? The Wite History channel? Wite Pwr!
:)

What makes me uncomfortable (more like annoyed) is having to scroll past your inane posts every week.

Anyways, no, I don't really support what happened to the Palestinians with the founding of Israel, but then again, it wasn't the worst thing that ever happened in terms of genocide or ethnic cleansing. The history of nations and peoples is a pretty brutal succession of might makes right events. The situation with Israel is really not any different from hundreds of other conflicts throughout history, especially in that region of the world.

So funny (sad really) that you can write off the Holocaust as being an invention, even though it was the worst genocide of all time, and then you have endless compassion for the poor Palestinians, only a comparably tiny fraction of whom have been killed by the Israelis. (If they had been completely wiped out and/or displaced, we wouldn't even be having this discussion, but the Jews were actually nice enough not to kill all of them.) I never thought of you as a humanitarian, or if you are one, you're not very consistent.

The way I see it is that the Jews fought 3 or 4 wars to grab that territory from 1947 through the seventies. The Arabs lost, you know, fair and square (so to speak). They can't get over it, because of religious differences, as far as I can tell. That's pretty funny they are so sore about it considering that Islam is a religion of conquest, and they think they're entitled to all their lands that were conquered by the sword. Of course, I don't expect much consistency from people, who are generally pretty hypocritical about anything having to do with their own groups.

And aren't you the one who talks about how the white man taking over America was manifest destiny and that it was fine to displace or wipe out the Indians? So the Jews can't kick out a few Arabs to found their own country? What's the difference?

I kind of resent having my ideals questioned by someone who is so inconsistent in how they apply theirs, depending on whether or not their pet racial groups are involved or not.

And me, I don't believe in "right" or "wrong" when it comes to history. I just like to observe. Moralizing about historical events in which one has no personal stake is for preachers and simpletons.

Good point. Someone is indignant if they can't get on a crowded bus, train, or tram. But once on they will wax eloquent on why the doors should close.

From last week: I forget sometimes you're a country boy and have been "bereft" of many experiences I've had. All Whites who use public transportation in Big City America have horror stories about Blacks acting out there. Lucky you. But don't be dogmatic about things you know nothing about. I don't expect to be believed - most Whites on this site think Whites on the Mexican border are racists for complaining. The President of Ireland went through the area and loftily called them just that.

Whites just don't believe other Whites. There something wrong with our social nervous system you see. It's like be able to see your foot but not being able to feel it. Whites can't feel the pain of other Whites and resent it when they're informed about it.

How did it happen? You see our Media or nervous system was taken over by aliens - who have used it with the utmost malice.

Back to the top: legalizing those here will just encourage more to come. It's an easy answer, and like most easy answers, the wrong one. Look at Alabama, your neighboring state. The Mexicans are running. Do the same everywhere and they will deport themselves. Don't buy into the Fascist Trip the Liberals are selling. Does this contradict what I said before? How? Those here might want the doors closed but those left behind will force there way in regardless. Plus those here will all want Their relations to come in once they're legal.

That's my point D: the Japs want take any guff from these obese low lifes. Btw, I'd give them one of the big Islands. But that's it - no more welfare or endless complaining. The hardliners could all go there and Hawaii could develop its volcanic energy potential.

"No, Asoka, what is and what's happening at the Bhopal Centre?" Isn't that where the new OSHO (pronounced Assho) center is located?

:) Nite.

Good points Turk. You have no ideals but power. A man I can deal with. Now let's not have any more "moral" arguments about Whites taking a big chunk of post America America. The Kosovo Doctrine - if it's good for the goose it's good for the gander. If Jews can do it, and Muslims can do it, so can Whites. We agree finally. I've won. You are checkmated, mate.

I do believe in morality btw. But it's complicated. It's refreshing to meet a pragmatist like you and not have to get into - exspecially when most people are so bad at it - only caring about their pet groups like Wage. Not caring about the Whites in South Africa but only Negroes in the rest of Africa.

His Redneck Manifesto was the first White Nationalist book I ever read. I owe alot to "Jim". That he stoped and I kept going is another story. So it goes. One of my friends is now exceeding me in Conspiratology. I'm urging him to begin his Holocaust studies. He will teach me new things. The circle becomes complete.

Vlad said: "Look at Alabama, your neighboring state. The Mexicans are running. Do the same everywhere and they will deport themselves."

Potato farmer Keith Smith saw most of his immigrant workers leave after Alabama's tough immigration law took effect, so he hired Americans. It hasn't worked out: Most show up late, work slower than seasoned farm hands and are ready to call it a day after lunch or by midafternoon. Some quit after a single day.

You better hope they don't deport themselves. America will starve to death without immigrants. The economy of Alabama could crash without immigrants because whites do not want to work.

Arizona tried that anti-immigrant shit. If immigrants left Arizona the fiscal impact of immigrants leaving would shrink Arizona's economy by $48.8 Billion. Arizona better hope immigrants never leave.

disclaimer: i do not agree with everything in the manifesto, and have not read anything else by him...also, his name leads me to figure that a part of his message is intended to do just that, shake things up...that being said, the idea that stereotypes (everything from honkey to n-word) divide and distract poor people from the rich getting richer at our expense is undeniable at this point...

LOL! Osho Centers are multiplying faster than rabbits... all over India.

http://www.oshosky.com/main/medcen/maincen.htm

Indians recognize quality. India has a long history of authentic spiritual masters, so recognition comes easily to them.

"America will starve to death without immigrants."

Complete horse shit.

can you READ??! he was pointing out that buying into "i m better than them", hating niggers, laughing at rednecks, basically marginalizing and dehumanizing ANY group of people IS WHAT ALLOWS THE FUCKERS TO MAINTAIN CONTROL OF OUR WORLD, BECAUSE WE THEN ARE NOT LOOKING AT THEM!!! get it through the programming, assface, you are part of the problem as long as you are a willing puppet and enabling the bullshit...sorry, i shouldn t have called you that...how about jackass?

If America did collapse politically and another Civil War began, I would leave, probably to Canada or some other more civilized place with a still intact government. As much as you like to romanticize political violence, the reality on the ground would be pure horror, especially considering how many guns Americans own and how violent we really are. I could give a shit about the white race taking territory. Fine. I'd get the hell out and not worry about it.

Actually, Vlad, my girlfriend is Chilean. She's of mixed blood, Spanish and Indian. She's not black. Not that I would care.

Exactly! The old divide and conquer. But Vlad is too emotionally blinded to understand.

So do you admit that the Polys routinely attack Whites - as the singer Jewel spoke about? And are you alright with that? Why? You do have to give an explanation if so - and whatever it is, it will be bullshit.

ASOKA: "America will starve to death without immigrants."

TURKLE: Complete horse shit.

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Ignore reality at your own risk. I provided documentation based on what is actually happening in places like Alabama and Arizona. If that were to happen in the entire USA, America will starve to death. I provided the numbers for economic impact.

You provide no historical antecedent, no analysis, no facts, no numbers. You just offer your opinion.

Between your hatred, bad grammar, bad style etc - I don't even know who you're refering to. Do Whites have the right to have their own Countries or not? That's what you have to decide.

Your mind will tell you one thing. And your heart another. And your decency or heart/mind a third. Trust that. The other two are relative and programable, the third, conscience, is innate.

"America will starve to death without immigrants."
-asoka-

"Complete horse shit."
-turkle-

You've got that right, turkle.
What America will starve from is a lack of diesel, fertilizer, herbicides - coupled to a big supply chain disruption or two.

More and more immigrants - will just be adding to the number of people who will fight it out - mostly in the cities - before starving.

Right on, Bill! :)

You are making false assumptions about behavior, that it doesn't change because of circumstances, which is demonstrably false. If immigrants doing all the farm work were to leave all at once, then the people remaining would modify their behavior such that everyone didn't starve to death. Farmers might have to pay higher wages, etc. but the crops would not rot in the field. Someone would do the work. America also has a lot of extra land on which people could grow fruits and veggies, if needed.

That said, Mexican immigrants are certainly an important part of the farm economy and its primary workers. I'm not arguing they are not. That doesn't mean that they should be allowed to stay and work here illegally. Work visas are the way to go, as it puts everyone on the grid, and prevents these people from being exploited. Ultimately, it is better for the immigrants if they can come and stay here legally rather than illegally.

In every other country, including Mexico, they will boot you out on your ass if you are found to overstay your visa or were caught after entering illegally, or even give you jail time. Why should it be different here?

I think all that a lot of people are saying is, sure, you can come stay here and work if a farmer wants to hire you, but please follow the rules to get here. What is so complicated about that such that, instead, you support millions of people breaking our laws?

Now I know the visa system is pretty messed up, in that it is somewhat expensive to obtain one and takes awhile. That should be streamlined and reformed so that farmers get the workers they require on a yearly basis. I am all in favor of it.

And then there's all the other jobs that illegals will do for sub-market wages, such as restaurant work, cleaning, etc. Please don't tell me that these jobs could not be done by other people who are here legally, like teenagers or the large number of people unemployed who have been searching for work. This has always been the case in the past that these positions were filled just fine, and I don't buy your stupid line that people in America are too across-the-board lazy to pick up this slack. Talk about stupid generalizations.

"What America will starve from is a lack of diesel, fertilizer, herbicides - coupled to a big supply chain disruption or two."

Yeah, good point, prog. Though if Americans had to go "back to the land", don't you think we could grow massive amounts of food locally, in people's yards or common spaces? This isn't done now, because it isn't needed. From what I've heard, a lot of Russians did this after the collapse of the USSR. And, also, we eat a lot of meat. Wouldn't cutting back on this mean there was a lot more grains/corn available for direct consumption? I think there's a lot of room to tighten the belt here without massive Ethiopian style famine occurring.

I kind of think that if America starts seeing serious food supply problems, with our massive amount of arable land and (still) relatively low population density, that most of the rest of the world will likely have gone Mad Max some time ago.

i was referring to jim goad, whom you mistakenly called a white nationalist...at least as far as i could tell...as for grammar, fuck youself; style, it s mine, and beside the point, so fuck off; and i lived with more hate than you can comprehend (and every bit justified) til a year ago...so thankyou for having a nice day...

looking at the iran/ syria question, and reading some articles pointing out the sanctions (which amounts to blockade) and the chinese and russioan responses, i was struck by the realization that there is a ready-made war for the military industrial complex to shore up our economy- i mean their stock market- long enough for obama to be left holding the bag...which, btw, nobody really thinks the republicans want, not with occupy here, because if the military coup were to be staged with mewt romnich (not mine, though i wish!) In charge, that might drive republicans over to the drebel scahm (emporer palatine, i believe)...and they ll be needed for traitors, i mean prison guards

"Does Ron Paul even take himself seriously"

I think he does, Buck. And I kind of like the ad. And - I hope Republicans in Iowa LOVE the ad.

Remember - I'm in Georgia. So I'm looking ahead to the primary. Since there's no point in voting Democratic, I gotta' pick me a Republican.

I've always liked Cain - he had a show on WSB, local here, that I listen to when I'm out in the ATL and trying to avoid traffic jams.

And now we're left with Mitt the Twitt.
Or Newt - who should crawl back under a rock with the rest of the amphibians and newts.
(Very, very, old Georgia joke, btw.)

So I'm shifting my vote to Ron Paul.
He make be unelectable or not, against Obamma.
But at least he'll shake things up a little bit.
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And I've never met a grunt level teacher who did not think that blowing up the national DOEducation - was not a pretty good idea.

I am shocked!

PC, why this conversion? You were in the fascist imperialist camp for so long, what changed your mind?

" Indians recognize quality. India has a long history of authentic spiritual masters, so recognition comes easily to them."

Do they? Please explain "authentic"? I see so many Guru's making extraordinary claims after all. Osho asserts:

"The more capable your mind becomes of concentration, the closer you come to the point of materialization…But try it first in very easy ways. For example: take a glass of water. Then float a very thin pin on the surface of oil or glycerin. Then concentrate on the pin. Concentrate! Without blinking , focus both your eyes on the pin for two minutes. After two minutes begin to order the pin to go to the right. Within seven days of practicing it, you will be able to move the pin."

You seem like a person with a scientific bent Asoka, so how about some extraordinary evidence to validate the above...you know, in the spirit of authentication?

"Within seven days of practicing it, you will be able to move the pin."

Yeah, sure, and monkeys might fly out of my butt.

check out "the fourth kind"...

"As it is, you just barfed out a bunch of ad hominem attacks I could just as well hear on an episode of Hannity and Friends."

LOL! You summed that up so much more eloquently than I!

ProCon I am challenging you and Vlad and Turkle to stop your immigrant bashing.

IF IMMIGRANTS LEAVE THE USA, it would be a national disaster. Here are some of my reasons:

IF IMMIGRANTS LEAVE THE USA, businesses will lose workers. And businesses that rely on undocumented workers cannot bring in “legal” immigrant workers because the U.S. immigration system provides no lawful visas for workers essential to many parts of the U.S. economy. Disaster. We need immigrants. Businesses cannot survive without their workforce.

IF IMMIGRANTS LEAVE THE USA, businesses will see fewer customers. Sales will go down by 60 percent in some parts of the USA. Disaster. We need immigrants.

IF IMMIGRANTS LEAVE THE USA, key sectors of the USA economy will suffer irreparable damage. Food prices will go up. We won't be able to rebuild after hurricanes and tornadoes without immigrants who work as roofers and construction workers.

IF IMMIGRANTS LEAVE THE USA, the agriculture sector will experience major losses. More disaster. Already the USA is experiencing food insecurity and hunger is increasing. Those trends would increase without immigrants. Disaster.

IF IMMIGRANTS LEAVE THE USA, the USA tourism industry will be threatened. Who can blame people not wanting to visit a place where they will be concerned about being hassled about their legal status? Whether it’s legitimate or not, that’s the message that will be seen by people who might come to a USA that is hostile toward immigrants.

IF IMMIGRANTS LEAVE THE USA, the overall costs of doing business in the USA will be higher. Businesses will be required by law to use a costly and inaccurate electronic verification system, like E-Verify, to check whether prospective employees are authorized to work. And the cost of hiring and training new workers to replace the current experienced workers who would leave the USA would be another new cost of doing business.

IF IMMIGRANTS LEAVE THE USA, new businesses will be cancelled. Businesses could decide not to locate projects or plants in the USA, especially from Hispanic countries like Spain. In Alabama this is already happening. BBVA Compass, owned by the Spanish megabank BBVA Group, is said to have cancelled plans for an $80 million tower in Birmingham for the bank's U.S. headquarters. And state officials are reporting that Golden Dragon, a Chinese copper pipe manufacturer that had announced it planned to build a $100 million plant in Alabama, is having second thoughts.

IF IMMIGRANTS LEAVE THE USA, the USA will lose taxpayers. The entire undocumented population is estimated to pay Billions of dollars annually in state and local taxes, including income taxes, property taxes, and sales taxes, this at a time when many cities and counties in the USA are on the brink of declaring bankruptcy. Disaster.

IF IMMIGRANTS LEAVE THE USA, the costs of defending the anti-immigrant laws would be significant. The U.S. Department of Justice and several other state and national organizations have already sued the state of Alabama to prevent their new immigration law from going into effect. The federal district court and the 11th circuit court temporarily halted parts of the new Alabama law while they consider the significant legal and constitutional questions raised by Alabama's broad new law. While the legal costs have not been tallied, the lessons from Arizona are instructive. In the first year alone, Arizona spent $1.9 million just to defend its own new law, S.B. 1070, in preliminary court cases. In Farmers Branch, Texas, and Hazelton, Pennsylvania, the costs of defending their own restrictive immigration laws are expected to top $5 million for each town. We cannot afford it. Trying to force ALL immigrants out would be a disaster.

IF IMMIGRANTS LEAVE THE USA, the whole country would face new costs from an unfunded mandate. Forcing out immigrants would cause new economic losses, but unfunded mandates would also add to the country's bill. New costs would come from the training required for all state law enforcement officials, the new data collection and reporting required of all public schools, and the additional work that all state, county, and municipal employees will have to do to verify the immigration status of every person seeking state services or doing business anywhere in the USA. Disaster. Aren't we broke now? That is the mantra, anyway. Forcing out immigrants would be a disaster.

Fortunately, none of you -- ProCon, Vlad or Turkle -- have any influence over immigration.

Fortunately for me, immigration will continue unabated. I will do everything I can to get MORE IMMIGRANTS to come the USA and to make them feel welcome. (Easy for me, they are already my neighbors.)

We need immigrants, for all the reasons I gave above.

And history is on my side. This country was founded by immigrants. This country was built by immigrants. Immigrants have contributed culturally and economically. And immigrants are the future of this country.

Soon you white "antis" will be a minority. I can't wait. The future is multicultural. Diversity is strength. And we, the people of color, are winning the battle against morally-challenged white xenophobes like you.

Join the Center for American Progress.
http://www.americanprogress.org/aboutus

BuckStud, I am not bringing up Osho and religion every week. You guys are. I am just responding.

But instead of going into a long explanation of how to recognize authenticity, if you are really interested and not just playing "gotcha," then read this book: http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/60074883

Buck Stud, another book I just read last month that addresses authenticity is: http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/671541674 if you are really interested.

""The more capable your mind becomes of concentration, the closer you come to the point of materialization…But try it first in very easy ways. For example: take a glass of water. Then float a very thin pin on the surface of oil or glycerin. Then concentrate on the pin. Concentrate! Without blinking , focus both your eyes on the pin for two minutes. After two minutes begin to order the pin to go to the right. Within seven days of practicing it, you will be able to move the pin.""

You know, that sounds so *Ghad* damned kewl, I might have to give it a try, for the next week or 52...

Ok Asoka. I thought I was just responding too, but I will refrain from mentioning Osho in a skeptical manner in the future after this post.

As I mentioned last week: For me personally, Osho was best experienced via the written word. The Indian equivalent of a Joseph Campbell if you will. And where Campbell was content and humble enough to remain a brilliant scholar/philosopher, Osho drove down the road of Divine Leader in a Rolls Royce. I believe it was a wrong turn and a business decision.

Ix, you do realize that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, right? Assuming your honesty, I've no doubt you saw SOMETHING, but the Law of Parsimony (Occam's Razor) states the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Many atmospheric phenomena could account for what you saw, as well as brain pattern-recognition functioning. Hinting that it was made by ET's or some such is not likely.

I'll tell you, Ix, when someone brings indisputable proof of other-wordly visitations like a live alien being or when, metaphorically speaking, an alien spacecraft lands on the White House front lawn, I'll be one of the first to embrace their existence.

"Fortunately, none of you -- ProCon or Turkle -- have any influence over immigration."
-asoka.-

That was a rather long blah, blah, blah, wasn't it turk. Asoka. is fixated on ECONOMIC GROWTH DUE TO IMMIGRANTS.

And anyone who joins FAIR or NumbersUSA can have, potentially great, influence over reduction of immigration.

On a Conservative, Republican, Chamber of Commerce website - asoka.'s mantra of Grow, Grow, Grow The Economy might be seen as a good thing.

On a website built around a long hard look at environmental collapse due to peak everything.

One could hope for more honesty - and less disingenuousness - among the recurrent posters. We're not going to get anything like that from asoka., in his current incarnation, though.

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Now, we need Pangolin to tell us how important ethnic take-out food is to the future of America.

And we need someone else to tell us that the United States must embrace a population of 600,000,000 - even to the point of causing Global human death and Global ecosystem collapse - - and our week on CFN will already be complete.

And here it is, only Monday. ;-(

Note to new posters -
asoka. goes by various names:
1.Resident impediment
2. Old cut and paste
3. The circling hawk of political correctness

He can be amusing.
But is best not taken seriously.
Like Osho wanted to be.

Hey, soka, if immigration is such a great thing, let's just assimilate the entire nation of Mexico. What could possibly go wrong?

Or perhaps, if you like Mexicans so much, go live in their country for awhile illegally. Let's see how long you last before they boot you out on your ass. Unlike you, they don't believe in open borders for their own country. (Kind of ironic, huh?)

You seem like a person with a scientific bent Asoka, so how about some extraordinary evidence to validate the above...you know, in the spirit of authentication?

You seem like an intelligent person, Buck Stud. Why don't you use the scientific method, or do your own research, instead of asking me? All I would say is that there is much we do not yet understand. Over decades, consciousness research has accumulated evidence of the real and measureable existence of "spooky actions at a distance" -- modes of telepathy, telekinesis, clairvoyance, and the like.

More recently scientists have begun rigorous study of the effects of distant healing intention and prayer vis-a-vis nonhuman living systems and patients in clinical trials.

A barrier to taking such work seriously may be the belief that it is fundamentally incompatible with the scientific world view. I suspect this is your case (and Turkle's as well).

Contemporary physics has generated a series of paradigms that can be used to make sense of, interpret, and explore "psi" and distant healing.

I'm thinking here of paradigms related to relativity theory and quantum mechanics like the energetic transmission model, presuming the effects of conscious intention to be mediated by an as-yet-unknown energy signal. This could explain Osho's little experiment (which I have not conducted myself).

Another possible explanation is the model of path facilitation. As gravity, according to general relativity, "warps" space–time, easing certain pathways of movement, so may acts of consciousness have warping and facilitating effects on the fabric of the surrounding world.

Or the model of nonlocal entanglement drawn from quantum mechanics. Perhaps people, like particles, can become entangled so they behave as one system with instantaneous and unmediated correlations across a distance. I have no idea which of these might explain Osho's experiment. I am just suggesting there might be a scientific basis we do not yet fully understand or know how to control.

Another model might involve actualization of potentials. The act of measurement in quantum mechanics collapses a probabilistic wave function into a single outcome. Perhaps conscious intention in Osho's experiment can act similarly, helping to actualize one of a series of possibilities. I don't know. Nor do I care. I have NEVER been interested in the supernatural or "miracles" or anything "paranormal" ... I have enough to deal with in the "normal" world.

If that was Osho's thing (and you did not provide a source for that supposed Osho experiment), then that is his SVA DHARMA. I am free to pursue a different path, as Osho insisted when he initiated me into neosannyas.

"Ix, you do realize that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof"

I saw the B1 bomber in 1975 over Milwaukee, WI. I witnessed about 10 annual air shows at the Milwaukee airport from 1975-1990 I've lived next to the Hillsboro airport for the last 21 years, the sight of the annual Portland air show. I've seen virtually every type of known (US) aircraft come in and out of this airport - I've seen the B2 bomber on 4 different occasions.

When you see something yourself, clear as day, and you're familiar with the latest in aircraft technology - you know what you've seen is not *swamp gas*. Something with an invisibility shroud that appears irridescent/mirage-like. Something that travels 6+ miles straight up in 4 seconds, instantly, with over 100g's acceleration in less than 0.5 seconds - well, I'm sure you can call that a cumulus cloud.

But then, I'm sure you're still convinced that somehow, Nagasaki and Hiroshima are very safe places to walk now (magikally - scrubbed by whom?). And, those sightings over Chernobyl had nothing to do with it being *safe* now. Finally, Fukushima, still in complete "China Syndrome" meltdown, is apparently no longer an issue. Ever spent a summer in Bikini Atoll (70 megatons+++)? They cleaned that area up as well...

I suspect you have an implant in your ear cartilage, or in between your toes. And, I don't suspect you will investigate NASA engineer Paul R. Hill's book. Nor will you give an ounce of credence to Cooper's testimony (ON RECORD).

I do wish asoka. would give citatations.
"As gravity, according to general relativity, "warps" space–time, easing certain pathways of movement, so may acts of consciousness have warping and facilitating effects on the fabric of the surrounding world...."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16296928

Let us all make note that this is a ".gov" website.
And it must, of course, be peer-reviewed.

Prog,

Don't get me wrong, I thought it was a good ad considering the audience he is targeting (that is not a shot at you; just a general observation). But I did find the evoking of military tactics ironic, considering that Paul laments U.S. military expansion.

There's a lot of things I like about Ron Paul; he is on the right side of many issues. But as that ad reveals, Paul's approach is fundamentally one of destruction: Destruction of government institutions, social safety nets, etc. Paul seeks to tear down societal structures and leave the rest to the mythological ethos of the Libertarian manifesto. I am not that faithful in human nature.

LOL!

Turkle, I live within minutes of the border with Mexico. I am very happy on this side of the border, to serve as a welcoming committee.

Sorry if you think you are losing your country. That is just the way it is. Accept reality. I think our country is being enriched by the immigrants I help get here. And I am enjoying the richness.

ProCon, the article you cite is from the National Library of Medicine database. They don't include articles from journals that are not peer-reviewed.

He can be amusing.
But is best not taken seriously.
Like Osho wanted to be.

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You have a citation for that assertion, ProCon?

You know nothing about Osho. He was completely against seriousness. If you are interested in what Osho said about seriousness:

http://www.osho.com/library/online-library-playfulness-serious-totally-5e70b296-d61.aspx

"Paul seeks to tear down societal structures and leave the rest to the mythological ethos of the Libertarian manifesto"
-buck-

I don't disagree with anything in this post, buck.
(and keep in mind that I'm a life-long liberal, so a "shot at me" misses the mark. hehe)

Two very relevant ideas, though:
1. Ron Paul is "playing to the base," here. With some skill. It's better than Romney saying he was for health care before he was against it. Or better than Gingrich "not having serially monogamous sex with that(those) women." or whatever - DAMN, wish I was a comedian!
(you cannot make this shit up!!)

2. Ron Paul, if elected, WILL NOT single handedly GUT all of the non- libertarian positions of the United States Government. Certainly not over the objections of 535? Congresspeople and Lord-only-knows-how-many bureaucrats and lobbyists.
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I think it's way past time to shake things up.
Obama has demonstrated that he will NOT do it.
Romney won't do it.
Gingrich will only f*ck it up worse.

That leaves Ron Paul.
He's got my vote in the primary.
And probably in the general election.

"He can be amusing.
But is best not taken seriously.
Like Osho wanted to be." (..not taken seriously.)
-asoka-

Read it again asoka..
You're missing something.
Read it again.

I'm trying to help you out, here, asoka..
You're a joke. You have achieved your goal.
Just like osho.
I'm offering confirmation - for CFN posters.
It's time for you to move to a higher plane.

"check out "the fourth kind"..."

I actually saw that a while ago - the whole thing was fake. I suspected as much, while I watched it - none of the video was live/real. NONE OF IT.

I get so sick of the hateful/vengeful aliens plot line. If these aliens are real (and they may have even been born here on Earth or Mars 100+ million years ago), their technology would be so far superior to ours, that they wouldn't need to spend 50-100 years plotting for the right time to *attack*. GIMME A BREAK.

We are the rats in the maze, and they are the scientists. It's really that simple, and the proof is in the *pudding*.

Oh and for the religious fanatical dipshits who believe in *GOD*: Pray.

My apologies. Thanks for making it clear. And thank you for the compliment. I have indeed succeeded in becoming a joke unto myself. And I am having fun. Puritans hate that.

"If that was Osho's thing (and you did not provide a source for that supposed Osho experiment)"

Asoka,

It was in "The Unknown Life Of Jesus" that I posted the other day. Despite my criticisms of assertions here and there, the overall piece is very interesting and entertaining. Basically, Osho claims that Jesus did not die on the cross, that he was a trained Yogi who possessed extraordinary control over body functions like respiration and was thus able to feign death. He then skipped off back to India and lived to a very ripe old age.

It's time for you to move to a higher plane.

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I like the planes I use.
Usually Southwest Air or Continental. :)

Buck Stud, that one I can verify. I went to Kashmir, to Srinagar, and asked to be taken to Jesus' tomb. Dude was shorter than I imagined.

But Jesus lived to a ripe old age and died in Kashmir. Crucifixion was a cruel and lengthy way to die which took up to 24 hours. Jesus was taken down after a few hours. He was still alive. They put him in a tomb, then when they went back for him, he had already split for Kashmir. The tomb was empty.

If you are interested, here is a book about it: http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/3307681

I see the chief merit of Ron Paul as his insistence in auditing the Fed. The chance of it happening? Zero. The Fed has been lying through their teeth and JHK exposed the biggest of all the lies recently i.e., that TARP was TEN TIMES bigger than their $800 billion quote.

Even agencies like the Fed, which, in the past, were supposed to be very august, stern agencies, are a passel of crooks and liars. How can we expect our younger generations to toe a line of virtue when assholes like Bernanke, Corzine, Paulson, and Dimon seem to be faring to well?

E.

There were 10 or more different financial bailout programs, and TARP was only one. The rabbit hole goes deep. From what I've read, the actual total of grants and loans to financial institutions could be upwards of $15 trillion. Who really knows though?

Everybody physically here who has the ability to do the work deserves a "fair shot" at employment including undocumented immigrants. No one should be excluded. There is plenty of work to do and the corporations are sitting on Trillions of dollars, but they are not hiring because they say there is not enough demand. Hey! Demand. More immigrants would be the solution.

You are not mistaken, Asoka. I have a 40 year association with Meher Baba.

There is plenty of work to do yet unemployment is almost 10%....hm, something about those two statements doesn't go together.

"There is plenty of work to do yet unemployment is almost 10%....hm, something about those two statements doesn't go together."

Aint that the *byotch*. We are all but *worker bees*. Whether we want to believe it or not, *they* are watching, and they are there only to *COLLECT DATA*.

*They* will only interfere, in extreme circumstances - ala Hiroshima/Nagasaki/Chernobyl/Bikini Atoll/Fukushima.

If'n you are uld-skul, don't even try the *suicide* route! You are but a rat in this cage - they need your data...

How do *YOU* define *freedom*? Is it that axe in your back? Or is it you conformity? You are nothing but a *metric*.

What about His mystical Word?

"Get it? *Ghad* cares for the elderly in high places..."

No, they don't get it, *AT ALL*.

dang, that tinfoil hat is just a little tight there, y all, maybe you could try an armodillo helmet...re that movie, i was skeptical until i saw the woman s interview after the fact; that was the scaredest human being i ve ever seen...that was NOT acting sir, not by a long shot...and what makes you think the footage was fake? i thought over all it was pretty convincing, even if the premise is hard to accept...

Like so many who have been absued, you just seek to pass on the pain to others. I have nothing to do with it - so knock it off.

What's wrong with Whites having their own Country like the Founders wanted?

Perhaps we Whites are their Sons. As the Bible said "The Sons of God found the Daughters of Man fair". We do have something unearthly about us - at least some of us. And we are hated by those merely of the Earth.

I like his work with the Masts. I myself am a mast like Salik.

Charles Bukowski dated and I believe married a Baba Lover. He refered to the huge poster that read "Don't Worry, Be Happy" in his book Women. He called Meher, Drayer Baba.

what s wrong with people having a planet? and that is downright chickenshit of you to try to deflect like that we already know you re a piss-poor example, but is that the best you can come up with? really?! if you can t tell, i ve been trying to offer you a perspective to use to heal the poison of separatism and hate because it is stupid sure i ve cursed at you, because i ve little patience for racism; if you wouldn t utter such simple-minded drivel, i m sure i could extend to you the courtesy i ve demonstrated already elsewhere...in fact, instead of inflicting, i have spent my life absorbing other s pain; i am a healer...thing is, i can t in good conscience just allow you to just blindly post such blatantly obnoxious lies without challenge, or i would be remiss in trying to save my world from the destruction that you and those like you (yes, vlad, your kind) are, inadvertantly or not, inviting upon us all in your ignorance

Did the Heaven's Gate people make it back to the Mothership sans bodies - or was that a mistake?

I met them once. They hated all the care the body needed. They felt that the Earth or as they called it "the garden" had been fucked with by bad aliens. They thought a person should be able to just eat an apple and be fine for the whole day.

?not what- and what s so funny?

Vlad just can't get over the fact that it is 2011 and not 1789 and that black people don't count as 3/5 of a person anymore. Sucks to be him, I guess.

What is racism? At its best, it's just the natural love for one's own people - prefering them over others as a Parent prefers their own children ot others. Blacks, East Asians, and South Asians all love their own more than others. Why shouldn't we have this same basic human right? You haven't thought it thru.

I was speaking losely before. Goad's book lead me to real White Nationalism. It was a step for me. You are right: He himself wasn't - at least not at that point. Don't know about now. I don't think so though. I read one by him over at Taki Mag recently. He does still seem to think Whites are getting a really bad deal - just like Fred Reed does. So he's a friend of our's at least.

Big French Revolution fan, eh? They're bringing back the guilotine I hear - you're going to have alot of fun watching the heads roll on TV. Dale will get to watch it in person.

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thanks andy

Look Dude. It's really pretty simple. You can either have a bunch of bag men for campaign contributions, or you can create a culture where working at a car wash is the first step in the brotherhood.

TRANSLATION
I got mine. Y'all stay the hell out.

Don't make me wrap up in a ...flag. It only heightens my perception of the inane.

you re ignoring the point, surprise surprise, that different race s is a construct- different appearances are just that- appearances...and that focusing your attention on those differences is keeping you from seeing the real situation, that we as humans have been divided and oppressed by a group of psychopaths into essentially slaves...now think about that, vlad, and what it means in real terms in your own life...it matters not that we are paid a pittance, if what we do for that subsistence is furthering the control of our lives and home: it amounts to the same situation slaves in name have found themselves in throughout history, black or white...hating the guy at the oar next to you prohibits you from seeing that there is only one chain binding us all to the bench...and that chain of hate can be broken with love and understanding...i urge you to read the manifesto again, with an open mind this time, and pay attention to the part about labels and scapegoats...if you get it, you will feel your minor irritation at "them niggers" turn to a real and abiding anger at THEM BASTARDS who have lied to and about, and decieved you, me, and 99% of everyone else...

Wow! thanks for the link, i had heard nothing of this...no wonder the conservative nutjobs have been calling it "obamacare"- more like 'obamascare'! i ll admit i didn t really have much of a dog in the fight, as i ll never be able to afford health insurance myself...at least not to the extent i d like, being a drastically under-employed construction worker by trade...but damn, this almost gives me some of that 'hope' everybody s been talking about...shee-it, talk about your stealth legislation!

...experts and industry insiders say [you re fucked; no job and no money for basics] will continue...

LB said:
Wealth destruction for the first world is moving forward. Don't think Ron Paul is going to change this.
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I agree. Paul would be stonewalled by BOTH parties because with PAC money electing and running our government, anyone opposed to the Mo' Money party will either never get any legislation passed or will be ASSASSINATED. Sigh.

E.

E.

You're so right about the boiler room global economy and yes, the gravy tastes so good there's no way it's going to change and there's no way the congress is going to police itself about the issue of insider trading--it's crazy to think it will.

About RP--not only his agenda would be assassinated.

NOTE TO CFNers.

Great post on oftwominds.con yesterday Charles Hugh Smith telling the Europeans that their choice is clear: debt peonage for decades or let the banks fall.

[It's your choice, Europe; choose wisely. If you want a model for sanity and growth, look to Iceland. They renounced their unpayable debts and debt-serfdom, and let the market reprice their currency, debt and risk. The nightmare is past for them; they chose wisely. Now it's your turn to choose.
The debt-serfdom will fall to you, not the banks or your Elites.]

CFT, before you get too excited, this is still an Obama giveaway to private corporate health care.

80% or 85% toward health care is a joke. It is still less efficient than government health care like the Veterans' Administration and Medicare. Overhead for Medicare is 3%. Private health insurance can't come near that. Big government is da bomb!

Overhead in the individual market is often substantially higher than 20%, and in some cases above 30%. Private insurance overhead and profit, on average, fluctuates between 12% and 14% nationally. This figure is somewhat lower than the 16-20% at many of the big insurers because it includes self-insured plans of many big employers that have overhead of about 6-7%. Bigger is better when it comes to insurance pools, which is why WE SHOULD ALL HAVE MEDICARE FROM BIRTH ON.

"Wealth destruction for the first world is moving